For all of us 20 year olds???

[nmbpaintball]

Sorry jumping from my other thread.

So I've been convinced not to do steroids yet since it supposively cuts off the production of nat. test.

So, what Im asking is what are our alternatives to steroids?? I know that as soon as i say I'm 20 that there are a million and one responses telling me about how i'm dumb... need to do more research.... and basically i suck at life lol so hopefully there will be as many responses that will actually help me and many others who are under the recommended age to do steroids.

Other than the obvious protein, creatine, high carb type supplements what can WE take to get a NOTICEABLE effect. I have been working extremely hard for 5 years to get huge gains and i just haven't gotten the results I want or that i expect. Of course I am getting gains but if you do anything for 5 years there are obviously going to be gains. SO please someone who knows what they are talking about help us!

[nmbpaintball]

ALSO... What about HGH? or anything like it?? After stopping HGH does your body stop production like with test??

[Hazard]

Regarding HGH..... IMO..... it's a worse option. Reason being is because you don't know if you're growth plates are closed. Only way to know for sure is to get xrays.... other than that..... you can time your HGH injections around your "probable" natural releases by your body.

Now..... regarding making progress in the gym..... have you posted your diet in the diet section? I'm not trying to sound like a "diet preacher" here so please don't take it that way. What I'm trying to say is use this time to try different things. Try different diets and then try different routines - find out what you respond to the best. It's taken me 6 years or so to figure out what I need to eat and what routine to use to get the best growth. Hell.... I still may not be doing something right. I recently just changed my routine again.

If you use this time to learn your body and try different things..... you're going to have a leg up on everyone else when you start cycling. It may seem like a waste of time right now..... but I promise you EVERYTHING sacred to me that you'll benefit soooo much from it.

As far as suppliments go.....anything thats going to jack your testosterone up is going to shut you down. I know a lot of people don't believe in nitric oxide supps but I personally like them. Maybe start drinking grape juice PWO to spike insulin levels followed with a protein shake (I do this)

I hope this advice doesn't land on deaf ears.....

~Haz~

[Nooomoto]

Stick to the fundamentals for now...BCAAs, protein, creatine, carb powders, NO supplements. Used properly these things will not let you down.

[Reed]

Learn to cycle your training and dieting. Try some different methods for building muscle

[clipper252]

I had same problem getting advice

[Nooomoto]

I had same problem getting advice

We are giving advice. Just not the advice that directs him to do steroids, because that would be the wrong advice at this point in his life.

[matt77]

Regarding HGH..... IMO..... it's a worse option. Reason being is because you don't know if you're growth plates are closed. Only way to know for sure is to get xrays.... other than that..... you can time your HGH injections around your "probable" natural releases by your body.

Now..... regarding making progress in the gym..... have you posted your diet in the diet section? I'm not trying to sound like a "diet preacher" here so please don't take it that way. What I'm trying to say is use this time to try different things. Try different diets and then try different routines - find out what you respond to the best. It's taken me 6 years or so to figure out what I need to eat and what routine to use to get the best growth. Hell.... I still may not be doing something right. I recently just changed my routine again.

If you use this time to learn your body and try different things..... you're going to have a leg up on everyone else when you start cycling. It may seem like a waste of time right now..... but I promise you EVERYTHING sacred to me that you'll benefit soooo much from it.

As far as suppliments go.....anything thats going to jack your testosterone up is going to shut you down. I know a lot of people don't believe in nitric oxide supps but I personally like them. Maybe start drinking grape juice PWO to spike insulin levels followed with a protein shake (I do this)

I hope this advice doesn't land on deaf ears.....

~Haz~

Stick to the fundamentals for now...BCAAs, protein, creatine, carb powders, NO supplements. Used properly these things will not let you down.

Learn to cycle your training and dieting. Try some different methods for building muscle

I agree with everything they are advising you. And I promise you will thank all of us if you listen no matter how hard it is to do the right thing.

[nmbpaintball]

Thank you I really do appreciate everyone's advise, ok so even things that "naturally" boost your testosterone, like that tribulus stuff, are a bad idea?? and btw im not trying to be a smartass or anything incase im coming off like that i'm just trying to get as much info as possible... and do the BCAA's help out a lot? I have always wanted to try them just never did... as of now i take blackpowder(NO) a creatine monohydrate, syntha6 (protein), and sometimes glutamine.

also would the introduction of Casein protein make a big difference?

[Scottish-Muscle]

^Imo it's quite simple calories in vs calories out. Your not gaining? up the calories... This is what I do and it works fine for me and I suffer from low test! tribulus imo is a waste of time.... Wouldn't bother with half of these hyped supplements either keep things basic you will gain just have patience! correct your diet, if your not gaining after 2 weeks up the calories and keep doing so until you start noticing slight gains 1lb every 2 weeks is acceptable tbh, but anymore will just be fat/water (if your natural).

Casein protein is just slow digesting, I don't bother with it due to cost... at night just eat say some cottage cheese take in some good fats (olive oil?) put that into your shake works just as good. Bcaa's are aminos and essential to muscle building environment so in my view yes you should take some sort of added extra as food/whey supplement can only do so much. Extra glutamine wouldn't go a miss!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

supplements aren't gonna do $hit, especially something as useless as tribulus. Just stick with creatine and whey protein. The rest is in your diet

I wasted thousands and thousands of dollars on supplements that didn't do $hit other than add energy and pumps

[funkymonk]

Food, patience, heavy lifting, and tons of rest?

[Reaver.]

The only supplements you should stick with are

1) Protein Powders (Whey/Casein/Egg)

2) Multivitamin (I also take extra pills of Vitamin C+E+B)

3) Fish Oil

4) Creatine

[MACHINE5150]

The only supplements you should stick with are

1) Protein Powders (Whey/Casein/Egg)

2) Multivitamin (I also take extra pills of Vitamin C+E+B)

3) Fish Oil

4) Creatine

AGREED.. except Zinc and Magnesium before bed.. there are tons of "ZMASS" products out there that are cheap i have seen good results with them

Also, it is important to incorporate a casien protien shake before bed every night.. My motto was to eat as much as you can (keep it clean"ish") and then drink a protien shake (1 scoop) i got up to 220lbs naturally that way when i was 17-20.. and my older brothers were 30 and 50lbs lighter than me..

I did Androstien at 18/19 and steroids at 20, because i thought that i wasn't big enough and even did proper PCT.. but no (at 27) I have 40% the natural test production i should have at my age and less than the normal test production of an 80 year old man.. just do yourself a favor and wait a couple more years, its not worth it.. i lost all those gains once i graduated college and entered the work force.. so i basically F*cked myself for life for nothing.

[ghettoboyd]

AGREED.. except Zinc and Magnesium before bed.. there are tons of "ZMASS" products out there that are cheap i have seen good results with them

Also, it is important to incorporate a casien protien shake before bed every night.. My motto was to eat as much as you can (keep it clean"ish") and then drink a protien shake (1 scoop) i got up to 220lbs naturally that way when i was 17-20.. and my older brothers were 30 and 50lbs lighter than me..

I did Androstien at 18/19 and steroids at 20, because i thought that i wasn't big enough and even did proper PCT.. but no (at 27) I have 40% the natural test production i should have at my age and less than the normal test production of an 80 year old man.. just do yourself a favor and wait a couple more years, its not worth it.. i lost all those gains once i graduated college and entered the work force.. so i basically F*cked myself for life for nothing.

thank you for shareing that bro, its not too often a person comes forward and humbly admits a mistake but it just may convince some of these young guys not to try aas so young so kudos to you....

[Lmoye22]

I did Androstien at 18/19 and steroids at 20, because i thought that i wasn't big enough and even did proper PCT.. but no (at 27) I have 40% the natural test production i should have at my age and less than the normal test production of an 80 year old man.. just do yourself a favor and wait a couple more years, its not worth it.. i lost all those gains once i graduated college and entered the work force.. so i basically F*cked myself for life for nothing.

This really put things into perspective, i hope i didnt do too much damage to myself after taking to cycles of havoc and m-14e, it did show great results and increased my strength through the roof but if its messing up my body for the worst then id rather be all natural for now till im older, i am 20 right now

[needle]

Sorry jumping from my other thread.

So I've been convinced not to do steroids yet since it supposively cuts off the production of nat. test.

So, what Im asking is what are our alternatives to steroids?? I know that as soon as i say I'm 20 that there are a million and one responses telling me about how i'm dumb... need to do more research.... and basically i suck at life lol so hopefully there will be as many responses that will actually help me and many others who are under the recommended age to do steroids.

Other than the obvious protein, creatine, high carb type supplements what can WE take to get a NOTICEABLE effect. I have been working extremely hard for 5 years to get huge gains and i just haven't gotten the results I want or that i expect. Of course I am getting gains but if you do anything for 5 years there are obviously going to be gains. SO please someone who knows what they are talking about help us!

Diet is obviously a huge factor... Im bringing this up beacuse I actually experienced this yesterday with a close friend and many other times with business associates, also at the gym ... Everyone and I mean everyone always says there killing it, busting their a** in the gym.
Well my buddy as I stated earlier was also saying the same thing. He was complaining of growth and such he was gettin big .. Well it didnt make since until I went to the gym with him yesterday... He told many times over the phone that he had a good routine down etc... Well the guy was lost he was doing chest with biceps and back all in 1 day and then wanted to go do legs... I just stopped him dead his tracks made him do my chest only routine lol... He wanted to give up after flat bench, decline bench, and Incline dumb bells, with 4 excerises to go...
SORRy for making this long, lets make sure that, "us" young guys are working out right or even older dudes too... Try to befriend a older bigger dude wutever it maybe lessons etc... So anyways I find that to be a huge problem with people complaining that their not getting big! BEFORE WE COMPLAIN LETS GET A SOLID ROUTINE DOWN.!!!
THANKS GUYS ,
JUST MY OPINION

[mediocre45]

IMO about 75% or more of the people on here should not do steroids. I just saw a thread where a stickly dude with nearly 20% bf said his diet was in check and blah blah blah. If you can't get to 200 lbs + at 12% bf or so you are wasting your money and putting unneccessary stress on your body. That being said if an OLDER person who isn't 200 lbs and doesn't want to be huge wants to cycle that is a different story.

Learn you body, how it responds to training and diet, and give it a few years, then think about running. I made the mistake of running when I was 23 at 200 lbs and probably 15% bf. In retrospect I could have easily gotten up to 220 at 12% and then started within a year or two pretty easily.

[cyounger100]

Food food food

[baseline_9]

supplements aren't gonna do $hit, especially something as useless as tribulus. Just stick with creatine and whey protein. The rest is in your diet

I wasted thousands and thousands of dollars on supplements that didn't do $hit other than add energy and pumps

I concur

BCAA's also