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    Thumbs up The time has come...almost!

    Hey bros,

    I have been a member of this web site for quite some time now. I still remember when I joined the first time and went straight to this section of the forum and posted how much, what and when to take it? Haha. Needless to say I got my ass straightened and got sent to Diet and Workout stickies. This is how my jurney started. So, I have been lifting naturally ever since then, I did have some time off, motivation loss, injuries, shrinking due to low nutrient intake, failed many times with the consistency etc. Pretty much I have been through most of what there is to experience. All this time I have been hovering over the forums and asking/answering questions. I think I read just about every sticky of the forums that I visit.
    I feel that I am getting ready to start my first cycle after 5 years of testing and trialing. I am glad that I listened to you guys and waited. I do believe that I have some solid genetics and will be successful with the use of AAS. I was 22, 6'2 @ 205 with 16% when I first joined. Now, I am 27 years old, 6'3 tall @ 234.6 Lbs with 15% BF.
    The next step is to stay on HIT with 3200 calories for the next 4 months and look for a source where I can get all that I need for my first cycle.
    I also plan on dropping to about 10% BF before I start injecting.

    There are some questions that I have:
    1-Is clomid, l-dex, letrozole legal in the US?
    2-Is ordering syringies and needles for a private use legal in the US?
    3-Do you think that I am ready to do this?

    The cycle:
    Week 1 – 12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
    Week 1 – 12 Letrozole .25mg/day (start two weeks before the 1st injection)

    PCT:
    Start two weeks after the last injection
    Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

    Notes:
    Test injections every 3.5 days (Monday morning and Thursday evening) (TY Phate)
    AAS- Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user
    Prime- The process of creating a very anabolic environment (TY Marcus)
    I will be using 1.5"/22g needles.

    Any comments, opinions and advice is welcome!
    Thanks a lot guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UberSteroids;53***92
    Hey bros,

    I have been a member of this web site for quite some time now. I still remember when I joined the first time and went straight to this section of the forum and posted how much, what and when to take it? Haha. Needless to say I got my ass straightened and got sent to Diet and Workout stickies. This is how my jurney started. So, I have been lifting naturally ever since then, I did have some time off, motivation loss, injuries, shrinking due to low nutrient intake, failed many times with the consistency etc. Pretty much I have been through most of what there is to experience. All this time I have been hovering over the forums and asking/answering questions. I think I read just about every sticky of the forums that I visit.
    I feel that I am getting ready to start my first cycle after 5 years of testing and trialing. I am glad that I listened to you guys and waited. I do believe that I have some solid genetics and will be successful with the use of AAS. I was 22, 6'2 @ 205 with 16% when I first joined. Now, I am 27 years old, 6'3 tall @ 234.6 Lbs with 15% BF.
    The next step is to stay on HIT with 3200 calories for the next 4 months and look for a source where I can get all that I need for my first cycle.
    I also plan on dropping to about 10% BF before I start injecting.

    There are some questions that I have:
    1-Is clomid, l-dex, letrozole legal in the US? Yes with scripts.
    2-Is ordering syringies and needles for a private use legal in the US? Yes, ordering and posessing them are legal.
    3-Do you think that I am ready to do this? Stats look good, as long as you understand what a proper PCT looks like, how to treat ill side effects if one were to occur, what a novice cycle looks like, what compounds work best together and understanding all the risks vs. the rewards, I'd say your g2g.

    The cycle:
    Week 1 – 12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
    Week 1 – 12 Letrozole .25mg/day (start two weeks before the 1st injection)

    PCT:
    Start two weeks after the last injection
    Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

    Notes:
    Test injections every 3.5 days (Monday morning and Thursday evening) (TY Phate)
    AAS- Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user
    Prime- The process of creating a very anabolic environment (TY Marcus)
    I will be using 1.5"/22g needles.

    Any comments, opinions and advice is welcome!
    Thanks a lot guys.
    Bold.

    Test dosage and duration looks fine.
    I disagree with your choice of AI. Aromasin @ 10mg EOD would be a better option for prevention without killing your estrogen. Remember, you need estrogen to grow.
    Lipid Stabil/Fish Oil for cholesterol support.
    Hawthorne or Celery Seed Extract for BP support.
    Pre cycle blood work, and post PCT blood work is vital.
    I disagree with the PCT. You do not need an AI during this time, utilize 2 SERMS. Clomid/Nolva, or Nolva/Torem would be more ideal IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    Bold.

    Test dosage and duration looks fine.
    I disagree with your choice of AI. Aromasin @ 10mg EOD would be a better option for prevention without killing your estrogen. Remember, you need estrogen to grow.
    Lipid Stabil/Fish Oil for cholesterol support.
    Hawthorne or Celery Seed Extract for BP support.
    Pre cycle blood work, and post PCT blood work is vital.
    I disagree with the PCT. You do not need an AI during this time, utilize 2 SERMS. Clomid/Nolva, or Nolva/Torem would be more ideal IMO.
    So, Aromasin @ 10mg Every other day. Would you suggest to start taking it two weeks prior to injecting?
    Do you recommend any particular amounts of Hawthorne, Celery and Fish Oil?
    For PCT, drop the L-dex and use Nolva with Clomid. What amounts would your recommend for Torem if I want to throw it in the mix?
    Blood work - Anything in particular that I should be asking for?

    Appreciate your time.
    Last edited by UberSteroids; 10-02-2010 at 11:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UberSteroids View Post
    So, Aromasin @ 10mg Every other day. Would you suggest to start taking it two weeks prior to injecting?
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    definitely not, just use it "if" you see signs of Estro like puffy/ichy nipples, excessive acne etc. I keep aromasin on hand for every cycle but have never had to use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knockout_Power View Post
    definitely not, just use it "if" you see signs of Estro like puffy/ichy nipples, excessive acne etc. I keep aromasin on hand for every cycle but have never had to use it
    I am a fan of "preventing" rather than "reversing" or "fixing" problems. I don't want to see any sings

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    you can hinder gains running it from the start. But this is completely up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knockout_Power View Post
    you can hinder gains running it from the start. But this is completely up to you.
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Lol sorry I'm way too tired and should be in bed.

    At that dosage, it won't hinder anything. People take the whole AI and hindering gains thing a bit too far. You don't need much estrogen to make gains, certainly more than what Femara will leave you with, but less than what Exe will diminish especially at preventative dosages.

    I've never had an issue with AI's and gains. As long as you have some estrogen, a solid diet, training, and steroids, you are g2g. That's the simplest way to put it lol.

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    Also,
    what is the best place to store Test E as far as temperature?
    Syringe - what would be the most efficient/universal size?

    Thanks!

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    Room temp, 23g 1.5" 3cc syringe

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    You also mentioned that Torem would be more ideal with Nolva than Clomid.
    Would you please elaborate on this just a bit as far as Clomid vs Torem?

    Thank you.

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    No I meant 2 SEMS in general would be more "ideal" then 1 SERM in conjunction with an AI during PCT.

    Now if we took this to a personal level, yes I would rather choose Torem/Nolva combo over Clomid. I don't like how Clomid really fuks with my emotions and makes me break out. I can't get good sleep on it as well, gives me vivid dreams and keeps me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    No I meant 2 SEMS in general would be more "ideal" then 1 SERM in conjunction with an AI during PCT.

    Now if we took this to a personal level, yes I would rather choose Torem/Nolva combo over Clomid. I don't like how Clomid really fuks with my emotions and makes me break out. I can't get good sleep on it as well, gives me vivid dreams and keeps me up.
    I understand.
    Now, could you advise on the dosage of Torem + Nolva for the PCT? The clomid was at 100mg ED, would Torem simply take Clomid's place @ 100mg ED?
    Also, would you say that Torem is just as effective as Clomid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UberSteroids View Post
    I understand.
    Now, could you advise on the dosage of Torem + Nolva for the PCT? The clomid was at 100mg ED, would Torem simply take Clomid's place @ 100mg ED?

    No, my Toremiphene dosages would look like this
    Torem 120/100/60/60/30
    Nolva would be a constant 20mg ED for 5 weeks.


    Also, would you say that Torem is just as effective as Clomid?

    Yes.
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    Got it!

    Let's see how this looks now:

    The Cycle:
    Week 1 – 12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week (2x250mg per week, 3.5 days apart)
    Week 1 – 12 Aromasin @ 10mg EOD (start two weeks before the cycle)

    The PCT
    Start two weeks after the last injection.
    Week 1 Toremifen Citrate 120mg ED + Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
    Week 2 Toremifen Citrate 100mg ED + Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
    Week 3 Toremifen Citrate 60mg ED + Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
    Week 4 Toremifen Citrate 60mg ED + Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED
    Week 5 Toremifen Citrate 30mg ED + Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg ED

    Letrozole on hand.
    Using 23g 1.5" needles with 3cc syringes.
    Fish Oil for cholesterol support.
    Hawthorne or Celery Seed Extract for BP support.
    Blood work pre and post cycle.

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    Nice. Only thing I would shift is the start time of your Aromasin at 1 week prior to cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiianPride. View Post
    Nice. Only thing I would shift is the start time of your Aromasin at 1 week prior to cycling.
    I will do that!

    You helped me a ton! I appreciate your time my friend.

    I'll post the progress pictures when this all goes down.

    Take care!

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