first pin tomm, last minute check...

[sixey]

first pin tomm, 50mg of test prop. shooting with a 25ga 1" pin, planning on warming oil (should i warm up inject site as well?) alcohol swab vial top and skin, inject slow and steady, aspirating, massaging after. planning on either delt or quad since i figure those will be the easiest to self inject. anything else i should be remembering?

slightly nervous but very excited haha

[Braz_Machine]

Do it in the ass right where the doc would give you an injection of antibiotic. No need to warm anything. You don't want to shoot the delt or quad with test. Especially into a virgin muscle like that. Your quad will be so sore you won't be able to walk and you delt will be very sore for lifting.

What strength is your prop. per cc?

[inevitable]

Do it in the ass right where the doc would give you an injection of antibiotic. No need to warm anything. You don't want to shoot the delt or quad with test. Especially into a virgin muscle like that. Your quad will be so sore you won't be able to walk and you delt will be very sore for lifting.

What strength is your prop. per cc?

why not shoot into the delt or quad? yeah it will be sore but that will pass... hes using prop so he will run out of sites to fast if he does not use them.

[Braz_Machine]

why not shoot into the delt or quad? yeah it will be sore but that will pass... hes using prop so he will run out of sites to fast if he does not use them.

That's true. I didn't think of that. I'm used to running slow esters. Thanks inevitable

[HawaiianPride.]

first pin tomm, 50mg of test prop. shooting with a 25ga 1" pin, planning on warming oil (should i warm up inject site as well?) alcohol swab vial top and skin, inject slow and steady, aspirating, massaging after. planning on either delt or quad since i figure those will be the easiest to self inject. anything else i should be remembering?

slightly nervous but very excited haha

1:1 ration w/ sterile cotton or grape seed oil if the pain is too unbearable after a few days.
Sleep with heating pads at night on the pin area.
Pre-warm oil to let the juice disperse easier evenly throughout the muscle easier
Inject in the muscle prior to training that muscle to let the oil disperse easier
Massage thoroughly 5-8 minutes to let the oil disperse easier
Wait it out, for most the pain will subside
Rotate spot injections
Inject slow
Make sure the volume of the injection is suitable for the muscle you are pinning in.

[MACHINE5150]

1:1 ration w/ sterile cotton or grape seed oil if the pain is too unbearable after a few days.
Sleep with heating pads at night on the pin area.
Pre-warm oil to let the juice disperse easier evenly throughout the muscle easier
Inject in the muscle prior to training that muscle to let the oil disperse easier
Massage thoroughly 5-8 minutes to let the oil disperse easier
Wait it out, for most the pain will subside
Rotate spot injections
Inject slow
Make sure the volume of the injection is suitable for the muscle you are pinning in.

this is if it hurts.. at only 50mg/ml i am sure it will not hurt too bad.. but take HP's advice if it does

[sixey]

just did it bros! 50mg of prop in the right quad, zero pain, barely even felt the needle go in haha. only thing was when aspirating i had to pull back a little harder than i had anticipated, thought the plunger would just slide back but it took a little bit more, got the air bubbles though haha. hoping when i try to do my first delt shots the aspirating doesnt require such a strong pullback on the plunger, could be akward/difficult with one hand...

[MBMETC]

getting hard draw back means your in the muscle no need to really force the issue at that point, imo. if you were in a vein draw back woundn't require any force

[slimshady01]

What do u do if u aspirate and get bubbles like he had? You just push back in?

[MBMETC]

What do u do if u aspirate and get bubbles like he had? You just push back in?

you dont need to draw up like 50 bubbles, 1 will be enough, and ya push it back in

[TopDogUK]

What do u do if u aspirate and get bubbles like he had? You just push back in?

The should just be air bubbles, but yeah it will probably suck its self back in anyway.

[sixey]

getting hard draw back means your in the muscle no need to really force the issue at that point, imo. if you were in a vein draw back woundn't require any force

thanks for the tip man, when i shoot my delt tomm i'll apply a little pressure to the plunger prob with my thumb and if theres no blood i'll inject away...wish i had a buddy or gf to help with the delt/glute shots wtf haha.

also its been about 6 hours since i pinned this morning and leg is fine, light soreness but barely even noticeable!

[blitzkrieg1985]

the pain takes more than 6 hours to kick in, if it has to..so just wait for it

[sixey]

the pain takes more than 6 hours to kick in, if it has to..so just wait for it

haha you are right brah. about 12 hours later and it is def sore, feels like stiff punch to the quad, nothing unbearable though. i think if i make sure i warm the oil and do my massage afterwards it should help.

also would it be fine to use some sort of "heat cream" like tiger balm instead of a heat pad at night? only because i move around when i sleep and the heat pad would just get tangled and shit

[tjax03]

haha you are right brah. about 12 hours later and it is def sore, feels like stiff punch to the quad, nothing unbearable though. i think if i make sure i warm the oil and do my massage afterwards it should help.

also would it be fine to use some sort of "heat cream" like tiger balm instead of a heat pad at night? only because i move around when i sleep and the heat pad would just get tangled and shit

Heat cream should be ok to use. Maybe don't use too much right around the injection site. I haven't used prop, but I have noticed no difference in terms of muscle pain when I warmed the oil as compared to room temperature oil. Probably better safe than sorry at this point though while your muscles are still pretty new to injections. Maybe after they get used to the pinning you can try unwarmed oil, it's just one less step you will need to do when pinning, which you will probably be pretty sick of by the end of your cycle. Also, I would recommend adding pec shots to your rotation. I actually find them to be one of the least painful sites, and you have both hands right in front of you to aspirate and steady the needle.

[sixey]

Heat cream should be ok to use. Maybe don't use too much right around the injection site. I haven't used prop, but I have noticed no difference in terms of muscle pain when I warmed the oil as compared to room temperature oil. Probably better safe than sorry at this point though while your muscles are still pretty new to injections. Maybe after they get used to the pinning you can try unwarmed oil, it's just one less step you will need to do when pinning, which you will probably be pretty sick of by the end of your cycle. Also, I would recommend adding pec shots to your rotation. I actually find them to be one of the least painful sites, and you have both hands right in front of you to aspirate and steady the needle.

yeah i was just wondering if it would make any difference warming the oil as opposed to just warming/massaging the inject site after pinning.

im assuming the dull soreness will decrease once the site has been pinned several times and is accustomed to it? also, is the soreness an indication of like "damage" or can i train the muscle just as hard as i always do and disregard the soreness.

[MBMETC]

This is your first cycle and you decided on prop....lol, i hope you can deal with the pinning this could deffinately turn you aff in a big way to aas.

[Matt]

Your far to young for aas and would gain great results doing things naturally

[HawaiianPride.]

Your far to young for aas and would gain great results doing things naturally

Agree, now that the search function is working I've came across a few threads that sprung my attention.

1 post you said you were going to wait 3 years before cycling. This post was made 2 months ago.
Another you had set up a Var only log and this was done late July.

So either you are running back to back cycles or your posts are all false. Either way you need to stop what your doing.

[sixey]

This is your first cycle and you decided on prop....lol, i hope you can deal with the pinning this could deffinately turn you aff in a big way to aas.

the ED pinning isnt an issue at all man haha. i have the exact same schedule everyday, wake up at 6am for work/school, do my pin before i leave the house, just becoming part of my morning routine. allready have enough drawing pins, shooting pins, and syringes to last me the entire cycle.

and the soreness from yesterdays shot is allready fading quite nicely. todays shot i made sure to massage the area and worked legs shortly after the left quad pin, the soreness i was experiencing this time yesterday in my right quad is practically non existant now practice makes perfect haha

[sixey]

Your far to young for aas and would gain great results doing things naturally

haven't seen an inch of growth (height, etc) or further maturation in welllllll over 2 years, been training consistently since i was 16, gains have stalled to the point where in this past year i had been LUCKY to gain 3-4 lean lbs in the course of 3-4 months, call me impatient and vain but i am not going to waste years and years to struggle to gain 20lbs of muscle. diet has been perfected for over 2 years now thanks to plenty of help from other forums.

Agree, now that the search function is working I've came across a few threads that sprung my attention.

1 post you said you were going to wait 3 years before cycling. This post was made 2 months ago.
Another you had set up a Var only log and this was done late July.

So either you are running back to back cycles or your posts are all false. Either way you need to stop what your doing.

never lied about my age in any of my posts, 21 to be exact. did intend on waiting longer, but thought about it more and more and i just could not wait another several years just dragging along at the rate i am going. from august 09 to august 10 i gained about 10-12 lean lbs, that is with proper training and diet and quick two month cut in march/april. i am not wasting another year of incredible hard work and dedication to gain a measly 10 lbs, thats all there is to it. the var was excellent, zero sides or shutdown and helped me add about 10lbs dry, which i have maintained almost a month after stopping the var. its not logical or financially sensible for me to continue with orals.

what i am getting at is i was/am fed up with the slow gains and growing frustration, maybe my genetics are just not meant for growing over 200lbs lean (would make sense based on very small bone structure and joints).

i personally know (no e-bullsh*t) more than a few guys who have done the most retarded and senseless cycles, stuff that would give you guys shivers, and they are no worse for the wear at all. i am completely ready to accept whatever (if any, which i highly doubt) risks from a basic, low dose, properly planned and executed cycle.

if you want to flame me or withhold further advice, go for it. but i must say thanks for the advice thus far, has helped alot!

[HawaiianPride.]

I never said you lied about your age.

You started the Var log on 7/28. That wasn't even 3 months ago. Assuming you did a normal cycle that included PCT, waiting the allotted time span to cycle again, it still wouldn't be time to cycle again. Did you get blood work done?

Slow gains are (in most individuals cases) the only type of gains, unless you are new to training and diet which I gather you aren't. I like the saying that gets thrown around here a lot "bodybuilding isn't a sprint, it's a marathon". This pretty much sums it up. If you are anywhere close to your natural potential, 10lbs in a year without anabolic support is really good.

I think we all know or have at least heard of someone doing a senseless cycle. If you sign up on bodybuilding forum you'll see it everyday. That's no excuse to think it's okay to follow in their footsteps and potentially set an example for someone else. You may or may not be completely fine after this cycle, who knows until the time hits. The idea we try to get across is, why risk it? Why risk damage now, when it could have been prevented later?

I'm not flaming you, just pointing out what I see should be addressed for the sake of your well-being. If you don't want to hear what I have to say then that's completely okay with me dude. It's your body. Just consider the rewards vs. the risks. It seems that you have already though, so that's good at least.

[sixey]

I never said you lied about your age.

You started the Var log on 7/28. That wasn't even 3 months ago. Assuming you did a normal cycle that included PCT, waiting the allotted time span to cycle again, it still wouldn't be time to cycle again. Did you get blood work done?

Slow gains are (in most individuals cases) the only type of gains, unless you are new to training and diet which I gather you aren't. I like the saying that gets thrown around here a lot "bodybuilding isn't a sprint, it's a marathon". This pretty much sums it up. If you are anywhere close to your natural potential, 10lbs in a year without anabolic support is really good.

I think we all know or have at least heard of someone doing a senseless cycle. If you sign up on bodybuilding forum you'll see it everyday. That's no excuse to think it's okay to follow in their footsteps and potentially set an example for someone else. You may or may not be completely fine after this cycle, who knows until the time hits. The idea we try to get across is, why risk it? Why risk damage now, when it could have been prevented later?

I'm not flaming you, just pointing out what I see should be addressed for the sake of your well-being. If you don't want to hear what I have to say then that's completely okay with me dude. It's your body. Just consider the rewards vs. the risks. It seems that you have already though, so that's good at least.

sorry if i got a little testy/defensive man.

and as far as the var, i had zero shutdown or sides or any type so i had no need for pct. was very apprehensive of sides so i monitored all that stuff extra close and absolutely nothing negative, balls and libido stayed %100 the same, idk maybe i just responded very well to the stuff?

and if 10lbs a year is average then i guess i am just not cut out for the patience aspect. 10lbs spread out over your whole body is barely even noticeable and i have come to terms with myself and should there be any problems im not going to shirk the blame.

as far as blood work, i will get some done after PCT just to make sure. i had some done several months pre var so my university health center has them on file to compare to

[HawaiianPride.]

NP.

Hmm, I would have believed you if you had gotten blood work done. But to say the Anavar didn't have some type of suppressive nature isn't true at all. Anavar is very much so suppressive, especially at your dosages. PCT could have been a light one, but you still need to PCT. By now there is a chance homeostasis did it's job but there is no sure telling until blood gets drawn. Never go by how you feel.

Good luck with everything else.

[codeegee]

Dude, I'm 22 and have been going hard since graduating. 6'0-195lbs, 11% BF. If I could've put on 10-12 lbs of LEAN muscle the last couple year's I'd be a monster right now, and definitely wouldn't be considering AAS. Think about it.

Say you're 5'11 and 170lbs. You work out hard for a year and put on 12 lean lbs.

5'11 and 182lbs, workout hard for a year and put on another 10 lean lbs.

5'11 and 192 lbs and you put 8 lbs of lean muscle on your third year.

In 3 years you're sitting at 5'11 - 200lbs and lean? What more can you ask for naturally? And you're saying you don't have genetics!? Oh my :/ What ever happened to "patience is a virtue".

[Matt]

sorry if i got a little testy/defensive man.

and as far as the var, i had zero shutdown or sides or any type so i had no need for pct. was very apprehensive of sides so i monitored all that stuff extra close and absolutely nothing negative, balls and libido stayed %100 the same, idk maybe i just responded very well to the stuff?

and if 10lbs a year is average then i guess i am just not cut out for the patience aspect. 10lbs spread out over your whole body is barely even noticeable and i have come to terms with myself and should there be any problems im not going to shirk the blame.

as far as blood work, i will get some done after PCT just to make sure. i had some done several months pre var so my university health center has them on file to compare to

10lb every year for the next 3/4 years, that would be a big transformation....