Junior Member
I'm running a cycle now and my strength and libido is through the roof but my size hasn't increased much. I'm eating clean and taking in the right amount of caloires.
could it be the nolva I'm running(20mg ed)?
current cycle start of week 5:
trenA 100 ed
testp 100ed
masteron e 200 mg x 2ew
dbol 50 mg ed
"AR's Vanilla Gorilla"
no size gains after 5 weeks of dbol is pretty rough.. Nolva will limit the water retention, but you should still have gained atleast 5-10lbs on this cycle so far.. how long since your last cycle?
Junior Member
today is the start of week 5 so really 4 weeks. My last cycle ended in march. this time around I heard so much good thing about tren so I really didn't log down my measurements from day one because I was expecting to just "blow up" in size.
my strength is through the roof and my libido is in over drive so somethings working
AR-Hall of Famer
Nolva won't make much difference, if any.
It sounds like you just aren't eating enough.
Associate Member
Nolva is a SERM, not an AI, so how can it combat water retention, sorry Im just not getting that.
Also, if Nolva does not lower the estro but only prevents it from acting on the breast tissue, how can it hinder gains, I would really like a proper explanation on this.
AR-Elite Hall of Famer (RETIRED)
^Agreed as usual.Originally Posted by Bonaparte
^Exactly!
Nolva is known to lower IGF levels. Not really something BBs want.
I'd taken nolva throughout many cycles, and never had a problem gaining.
Ar's cockney geezer Retired
Same here never had a problem gaining
Ar's cockney geezer Retired
100% agree.
Anabolic Member
i thought 10 mg was plenty of nolva on cycle r u gyno prone why 20 mg every day
AR's Think Tank
Not much else to add here the guys have it covered. But I'd like to say again, SERMS or AI's in conjunction with anabolic support at reasonable and preventative dosages will not hinder gains. Whoever made this wonderful myth up should be hit in the head with a dumbbell. It has been blown way out of proportion over the last few years.
Your cycle is stacked, so even if you completely shut down your estrogen I'd be willing to bet a pretty dime you'd still make gains. I'd start questioning the quality of your gear and or all other variables before pointing hands at the Nolva.
Junior Member
I can tell you this from personal experience, and not some distant past, if you aren't eating enough you will not gain. I have been bowhunting for the last two weeks and making eating a secondary priority and it is showing bigger than crazy. I actually went down five pounds as of last night! EAT, EAT, and EAT some more!!!
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SERMs and AI's will lower IGF levels.
Short-term aromatase inhibition: effects on glucose metabolism and serum leptin levels in young and elderly men
B Lapauw, G T'Sjoen, A Mahmoud, J M Kaufman and J B Ruige
Department of Endocrinology, 9K12 I.E., Ghent University Hospital, De Pintelaan 185, 9000 Ghent, Belgium
(Correspondence should be addressed to B Lapauw; Email: [email protected])
Objective: To assess and compare the effects of short-term aromatase inhibition on glucose metabolism, lipid profile, and adipocytokine levels in young and elderly men.
Design and methods: Ten elderly and nine young healthy men were randomized to receive letrozole 2.5 mg daily or placebo for 28 days in a crossover design.
Results: Both in young and elderly men, active treatment significantly increased serum testosterone (+128 and +99%, respectively) and decreased estradiol levels (–41 and –62%, respectively). Fasting glucose and insulin levels decreased in young men after active intervention (–7 and –37%, respectively) compared with placebo. Leptin levels fell markedly in both age groups (–24 and –25%, respectively), while adiponectin levels were not affected by the intervention. Lipid profile was slightly impaired in both groups, with increasing low density lipoprotein-cholesterol levels (+14%) in the younger age group and 10% lower levels of APOA1 in the elderly. A decline in IGF1 levels (–15%) was observed in the younger age group. No changes in weight or body mass index were observed in either young or old men.
Conclusions: Short-term aromatase inhibition appears to affect glucose metabolism in young men, and lipid metabolism, including leptin secretion, in young and elderly men. Furthermore, the short period of exposure suggests that these changes might be mediated by direct effects of sex steroids rather than by changes in body composition.
15% isnt enough to negate loss of gains IMHO. Nor do we take "2.5mg/ED Letro" on cycle.
Banned- Scammer!
But to answer your question.
No, not in my EXPERT (ha ha) opinion.
Junior Member
it can't be that I'm not eating to much because I have to actually stuff myself because I'm always hungry. on a typical day my meal plan looks like this but changes but not by much:
meal 1: 8 egg whites, 1 cup of oats, 18 gram protein shake a few bananans
meal 2. 2 can of tuna. 3 slice of whole wheat bread
meal3: 8 oz turkey breast sandwhich with some fruits
work out: then protein shake 36 grams
meal 4. 2 chicken breast, 1.5 cup of brown rice, green veggies
meal 5. same as 4 with maybe another chicken breast
meal 6. pasta(whole wheat), ground beef or chicken breast or ground turkey
18 oz protein shake before bed
wake up sometimes and eat another turkey or chicken breast sandwhich then sleep
'everything louder than everything else'
id be questioning the potency of my gear in tht case
AR-Hall of Famer
What's with the weak little 18 gram protein shakes?
I include around 50g per shake (with milk).
Member
He said 18oz, not grams.
Associate Member
But here its 18 grams
AR-Hall of Famer
Yeah, that's what I was looking at. Besides, who cares how many ounces it measures? Its the grams of protein that matter.But here its 18 grams
Last edited by Bonaparte; 10-21-2010 at 10:48 PM.
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Amen! Hahaha
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