Cycle advice sus/deca/winny

[derek.lee.004]

Wk 1-10 250mg sust
Wk 1-8 300mg deca
Wk 4-10 50mg Winny eod rotating inj and oral

I am 6' 240lbs 20% bf
Trying to lean out and put a few pounds of muscle on
I also have 100 anavar pills and was curious if I should add these or wait.

Only my 2nd cycle, any advice I would appreciate.

[Ernst]

How old are you? You need to lose some fat there. I would just cut some first, and then maybe consider a cycle. Generally speaking, 2nd cycle = 2 compounds. No need to go overboard. What was your first cycle?

[Johnyonemove]

Most people would say to drop your BF down to 15% first. Personally I'm afraid of the sides of Deca. Read this post and make your own mind up.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...deca-dick-last

Theres tons of articles on Deca, for me the cons out weigh the pros. To each their own!

[Ernst]

Most people would say to drop your BF down to 15% first. Personally I'm afraid of the sides of Deca. Read this post and make your own mind up.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...deca-dick-last

Theres tons of articles on Deca, for me the cons out weigh the pros. To each their own!

There's no problem with deca for most everyone, providing they did their research, kept a sane dose, and were well prepared with knowledge and ancillaries.

[OldManRiver]

It would be ideal to have your body fat around 15% or less, and from those stats it is possible that you don't have enough time in the gym to have another go around. Why not hit the cardio and diet areas of your life before you do gear again? The better you are in those two areas the more you will retain your gains on cycle. You are just setting yourself up for failure afterwards.

As for the cycle, I have always read that the test dose should at least be as high as the deca dose, if not more so as to combat deca sides such as deca dick. Personally if I was running those compounds it would look like this test 500mg/wk deca 300mg/wk and NO winny at the end.

[Johnyonemove]

I have read on here that u can get all the sides from deca with as little as a one time dose of 100mg and i have read that for deca to be worth a damn u need to take at least 300mgs/week to have any gains. maybe some bad info, but if u read it somewhere it must be true :P

[derek.lee.004]

I am 29 and working on my bf% right now. I'm not planning on starting it until the end of November. I am just started running a low dose of Clen and T3. My diet sucked for the past yr or so. But the last few weeks I have it in check and dropped 2% in bf.

[Ernst]

Test needing to be higher is a myth.

And not everything you read on the internet is true.

[OldManRiver]

Test needing to be higher is a myth.

And not everything you read on the internet is true.

This is true, I was simply adding what I would run for my cycle in his situation. It sounds like you have a goal set, and you are making your way towards it.
As for the test dosage, IF deca sides occur, THEN upping the test will conteract these sides. BUT if you people don't mind having a broken dick then more power to em.
I still would wait on the winny. Save it for next time. plus I think winny should be run ed at that dosage.... But again this is just what I think, and what works for me.

[derek.lee.004]

What about the anavar? Should I save that as well?

[Ernst]

What about the anavar? Should I save that as well?

You've already got it, so why not?

Unless it's higher milligram tabs 100 of them is not enough to really do much, cycle wise, for a male. You could always consider a nice test/var combo when you're ready, maybe getting more var if needed or wanted.

[derek.lee.004]

So if deca has too many side effects whats a good replacement?

[Ernst]

Who said you need to replace it anyway? Nothing wrong with test and winny (or test and var). Just sayin. I might kick the test up higher than 250 in that case though.

[derek.lee.004]

So 500mg of sust every week and run 50mg of Winny eod? When should I start my nolva?

[Ernst]

Nolva alone is not a sufficient pct. Why the sust in particular as opposed to a single ester test? We know you had some var already, was that all? What about dealing with on-cycle sides? I would dose winny ed, and not throughout the whole cycle, either.

These are just a few of the things that worry me. I don't know how much you are leaving out, and how much you plain old don't know.

My honest thought here? It seems like you need to do some more research before you embark on a new cycle. Drop the cutting drugs (at very least the T3-- and do you know how to run clen anyway?), do your diet and cardio penance, and put in your research. I'd be doing you no favors just handing you a cycle without you understanding what, when, and why and what you should adjust if something goes awry. You don't know pct wait times? The first cycle plan you proposed isn't the worst I've seen, but not great. Maybe you did some reading. I'm trying not to sound too much like a dick, but that's what I'm thinking.

[derek.lee.004]

50mg of winny Ed seems to high, I had very good lean gains on 50mg eod and nolva seemed to do me just fine for PCT on my last cycle.

[derek.lee.004]

I'm on here for suggestions man, I am open to hear everything. What works for you may not work for me. I'm not a newbie at working out and dieting, I just got lazy and a out of shape. What's wrong with low doses of T3? And yes I know how to run Clen.