So are they even trying to find a cure for cancer?

[yannick35]

Back in 2004 my father was diagnose with colon cancer stage 4 that had spread to one lung and the liver.

I do admit that he should have gone a lot sooner, my mother said that he was passing blood for a very long time, around a year and a half before he went, after spitting blood and peeing blood.

He died in 2006 after being sick like a dog of all those chimo treatments.

I have since then been searching for some ways to prevent cancer, really changing my diet, and trying to eat the least possible processed foods.

I got back pain also so i went to a new sport doctor that found out i was anemic and for a very long time, i was drinking a lot of green tea, he then told me that green tea is not all that its cut up to be, and a double edge sword preventing calcium to stick to the bones and eliminating iron from the body.

There are so many mixed reviews on green tea and cancer prevention, i have since then quit the green tea and added extracts instead.

I also started to eat a bit of soybeans, mixed with lentils in a black bean soup. Now i read that legumes like that can increase your risk of cancer, but aren't Europeans big on legumes beans like that?

Also added frozen mix of berries, dark chocolate 85% cacao. And now some horse, bison and calf liver.

Still they say red meat is very bad as well.

And now in a so called recent study i saw on tv they say that a 10 year study showed that food as little to do with cancer?

How mixed up do you want people to be, and sure its all marketing related, say green tea and the stores will sell all they have. Red meat sells will be a lot less.

They also said that dairy product can prevent some cancers with the calcium not the pills.

I feel very saddened by this because yesterday i learned that a young women from my old job died of uterus cancer. I tough that this type of cancer was easy to cure. Guess i was wrong.

[DSM4Life]

The reason it's so hard to get an answer is because there isn't one. There are a lot of diseases out there where doctors have no clue how they begin. Google autoimmune diseases and you will see what I mean. It's a sad world but most people thrive on other peoples fears and advertise these foods/products as a "cure."

What is even worse and scary at the same time is the fact that these drug companies are all out to make money. Now ask yourself, is there more money in a cure or maintenance drugs ? Take an HIV person for example: one time treatment or treatment for a lifetime ? It gets me so upset when I think about t but what can I do ?

Good luck man.

[HitIt]

the answer is: don't get cancer.

[OH REALLY]

what you resist prosiest

[yannick35]

Well 1 on 3 people will at least that is what the studies came up with so,,,,,

[tjax03]

The reason it's so hard to get an answer is because there isn't one. There are a lot of diseases out there where doctors have no clue how they begin. Google autoimmune diseases and you will see what I mean. It's a sad world but most people thrive on other peoples fears and advertise these foods/products as a "cure."

What is even worse and scary at the same time is the fact that these drug companies are all out to make money. Now ask yourself, is there more money in a cure or maintenance drugs ? Take an HIV person for example: one time treatment or treatment for a lifetime ? It gets me so upset when I think about t but what can I do ?

Good luck man.

I disagree with your statement. The company that comes out with the cure to a major disease is going to make an enormous amount of money. First, to a lesser extent, from the sales of the drug itself, but mainly from the boon to its reputation that will come from solving a diseases crisis.
On a side note, I do not think there will ever be a "cure" for HIV, because the virus mutates so quickly and easily that medications often loose their effectiveness. However it should soon be possible for the majority of patients to lead full reasonably healthy lifetimes with management of the viral load.
As far as the OP's post, cancer is an extraordinary complex cluster of disease processes, with many different cellular origins. Researchers for this disease receive a tremendous amount of funding and are working everyday to learn what causes cells to grow out of control. However the average person will not hear anything about this, mainly because this day to day work deals with very minute aspects of nature, such as the regulation of genes and actions of proteins. These findings aren't going to draw attention from most people, yet they are vital to understanding the highly complex nature of cells and disease pathology. Each finding is like a little piece of an enormous puzzle uncovered. Eventually these discoveries may lead to some sort of "cure" which is when the public will really be informed.

[HitIt]

i bet magic johnson doesn't mind treatment (HIV i know, not cancer)

[fattymcbutterpants]

I was watching Saw VI I think the other day and the Jigsaw guy has cancer and he was talking about how its not the doctors or people that decide anything on healthcare, its the insurance companies that control it all...

[DSM4Life]

I disagree with your statement. The company that comes out with the cure to a major disease is going to make an enormous amount of money. First, to a lesser extent, from the sales of the drug itself, but mainly from the boon to its reputation that will come from solving a diseases crisis.
On a side note, I do not think there will ever be a "cure" for HIV, because the virus mutates so quickly and easily that medications often loose their effectiveness. However it should soon be possible for the majority of patients to lead full reasonably healthy lifetimes with management of the viral load.
As far as the OP's post, cancer is an extraordinary complex cluster of disease processes, with many different cellular origins. Researchers for this disease receive a tremendous amount of funding and are working everyday to learn what causes cells to grow out of control. However the average person will not hear anything about this, mainly because this day to day work deals with very minute aspects of nature, such as the regulation of genes and actions of proteins. These findings aren't going to draw attention from most people, yet they are vital to understanding the highly complex nature of cells and disease pathology. Each finding is like a little piece of an enormous puzzle uncovered. Eventually these discoveries may lead to some sort of "cure" which is when the public will really be informed.

You are 100% wrong. Again a cure only makes money off someone once. Where as cancer/HIV or whatever incurable disease awards these greedy bastards YEARS of payments.

[MACHINE5150]

if they were to find a cure for cancer than social security would fail, joblessness would plumit etc... people can not live forever.. it just isn't how nature works. It is sad, i have lost a few people to caner, but it is the cycle of life.. if we cured cancer, then think of how many more people would be in this world.. hundreds of millions..

[Hazard]

You are 100% wrong. Again a cure only makes money off someone once. Where as cancer/HIV or whatever incurable disease awards these greedy bastards YEARS of payments.

while I see both points..... I believe that there are enough foundations out there and there's enough awareness now that private funding and donations will help fuel the discovery of a cure.

Sure, glaxosmithkline or some other huge company may have the resources and money to find a cure..... maybe they have but havn't released it, but that wont hold out for long. If a cure is ever found - someone.... somewhere..... will leak it.

I do agree with all your pharmaceutical points..... they're greedy mfkers and the whole world knows it.....

~Haz~

[biggerisbetter1827]

The reason it's so hard to get an answer is because there isn't one. There are a lot of diseases out there where doctors have no clue how they begin. Google autoimmune diseases and you will see what I mean. It's a sad world but most people thrive on other peoples fears and advertise these foods/products as a "cure."

What is even worse and scary at the same time is the fact that these drug companies are all out to make money. Now ask yourself, is there more money in a cure or maintenance drugs ? Take an HIV person for example: one time treatment or treatment for a lifetime ? It gets me so upset when I think about t but what can I do ?

Good luck man.

I kind of agree and disagree with this. Yes, the pharmaceutical companies are money hungry and yes they will make a ton more money off maintenance drugs rather than a cure. But, I honestly think it would be very difficult for them to keep a cure under wraps, and not take it too market. I mean most of the research regarding drugs and treatments are done at universities and various others sectors of the scientific community. Pharmaceutical companies take research data and sink the money to perform the clinical trials and get FDA approval. Its not easy to put a new drug on the market, it takes years of research, clinical trials and billions of dollars. In order for it to actually hit the market it must be shown that the new drug is better than the current drug on the market. But through this whole process the pharmaceutical companies are still working in collaboration with the researchers to perfect the drug and pump it too market. Although the researcher is getting a nice cut of the profits, to keep something like that out of the scientific community would be extremely difficult. Not saying it couldn't be done, just very hard to do.

Back in 2004 my father was diagnose with colon cancer stage 4 that had spread to one lung and the liver.

I do admit that he should have gone a lot sooner, my mother said that he was passing blood for a very long time, around a year and a half before he went, after spitting blood and peeing blood.

He died in 2006 after being sick like a dog of all those chimo treatments.

I have since then been searching for some ways to prevent cancer, really changing my diet, and trying to eat the least possible processed foods.

I got back pain also so i went to a new sport doctor that found out i was anemic and for a very long time, i was drinking a lot of green tea, he then told me that green tea is not all that its cut up to be, and a double edge sword preventing calcium to stick to the bones and eliminating iron from the body.

There are so many mixed reviews on green tea and cancer prevention, i have since then quit the green tea and added extracts instead.

I also started to eat a bit of soybeans, mixed with lentils in a black bean soup. Now i read that legumes like that can increase your risk of cancer, but aren't Europeans big on legumes beans like that?

Also added frozen mix of berries, dark chocolate 85% cacao. And now some horse, bison and calf liver.

Still they say red meat is very bad as well.

And now in a so called recent study i saw on tv they say that a 10 year study showed that food as little to do with cancer?

How mixed up do you want people to be, and sure its all marketing related, say green tea and the stores will sell all they have. Red meat sells will be a lot less.

They also said that dairy product can prevent some cancers with the calcium not the pills.

I feel very saddened by this because yesterday i learned that a young women from my old job died of uterus cancer. I tough that this type of cancer was easy to cure. Guess i was wrong.

I'm sorry for loss, my mother had breast cancer thankfully she survived and has been cancer free for 14 years now. Anyways, all the rave surrounding antioxidants and cancer preventing foods is really blown out of proportion. Yes, in cellular studies antioxidants have been found to have cancer preventive properties, however they are using massive dosages of antioxidants to produce these results. In the case of green tea these dosages are equivalent to consuming a minimum of 10 cups a day. As you said the, there is a double edge sword, green tea also contains cancer causing agents and at 10 cups a day there effects will begin to manifest as well. Having said that drinking a cup green tea a day isn't going to hurt you, same goes for other antioxidant containing foods. Its better to have some and maybe get some kind of benefit then none at all.

Now in the way of cancer treatment, huge advancements have been made, especially with stem cell research. For example, just recently a group has shown that if they wipe out a mouse's entire immune system, with the injection of a single Hematopoietic Stem cell (the cell that gives rise to nearly all immune cells within the body), 50% of the time the mouse's entire immune system can be regenerated. If 5 Stem cells are injected 100% of the time the entire mouse's immune system is regenerated. This is huge for diseases such as cancer and HIV. Cancer is essentially a mutation within a persons' genome that causes normal function of a cell to breakdown. Using stem cells in gene therapy, they can introduce normal function back to the cell by correcting the mutation that caused the cancer in the first place. The treatment is still being perfected, but they already have functioning animal models, and if not already they are very close to beginning human clinical trials. So yes, they are working to find a cure.

As for HIV I think there will eventually be some what of a "cure". When HIV infects a host it actually integrates its DNA within the host's genome. Meaning every time that particular cell replicates, all the genes encoding the HIV virus will be replicated along with it. Now it would be nearly impossible to create some kind of treatment whereby we can go in and chop the virus's DNA out of the human DNA, without destroying the human DNA in the process and thereby killing the cell. I believe a vaccine of sorts will be created that can be used to keep the virus at bay so it is not capable of replicating and infecting the host. But the host will forever carry the virus inside of them. (Same thing goes for the Herpes Virus <---Bitch of a Virus)

-D

[l2elapse]

I dont think you truly understand the dynamics of cancer and how hard it is to cure.

[biggerisbetter1827]

Yes, I understand cancer is an extremely complex process of how it manifests and comes about, and I'm not saying they are going to cure it overnight. There are still a number of hurdles that must be overcome before a cure can truly be found. I was simply stating that promising work is being done. Everyday we learn more about cellular mechanisms, and the mechanics of various diseases. But I think within the next 10-15 years there may very well be a cure for various types of cancer.
-D

[danielmaco]

if they were to find a cure for cancer than social security would fail, joblessness would plumit etc... people can not live forever.. it just isn't how nature works. It is sad, i have lost a few people to caner, but it is the cycle of life.. if we cured cancer, then think of how many more people would be in this world.. hundreds of millions..

Yes, someone losing a family member from the same household helps keep the world's population in check.

Imagine how horrible a world without cancer would be. Children growing up with both parents, no cancer wards at children's hospitals, people dying of old age and not wasting away in a hospital bed, no chemotherapy, etc, etc. I would hate to live in such a world. We might even have to start culling people, as there would be too much life. We would all lose our jobs and might have to start eating each other just to survive.

[tjax03]

You are 100% wrong. Again a cure only makes money off someone once. Where as cancer/HIV or whatever incurable disease awards these greedy bastards YEARS of payments.

I realize that you feel strongly about this issue, but please don't automatically disregard my post because of your emotions. I gave you a thoughtful reply and you read one half of my argument before responding.

[tjax03]

if they were to find a cure for cancer than social security would fail, joblessness would plumit etc... people can not live forever.. it just isn't how nature works. It is sad, i have lost a few people to caner, but it is the cycle of life.. if we cured cancer, then think of how many more people would be in this world.. hundreds of millions..

The thing is, the major cause of death in the developed world if not now, will soon be related primarily due to weight/heart issues. Diabetes, heart disease, and obesity are taking over developed nations and are a much greater threat than cancer. The sad thing is that while cancer is often inevitable because of one's genetics, heart disease and obesity are almost always preventable. Even is cancer were magically cured we still will have people dropping like flies when the current generation matures. They are even thinking of forming a new medical specialty to deal with the unique health problems/issues related to obesity.

[DSM4Life]

I realize that you feel strongly about this issue, but please don't automatically disregard my post because of your emotions. I gave you a thoughtful reply and you read one half of my argument before responding.

I didn't discard it. I took in what you said and I do get a little emotional because these drug companies screw up peoples lives/family lives all the time. I guess a lot of anger comes from the medical industry but that is a whole other topic.

When you say companies want a good reputation I call that "old timer mentality." I feel that's how it use to be. People took pride in being able to help others. Google the guy who figured out polio and gave it away for free. He is a true hero in my eyes. I feel these drug companys are run like business and it all comes down to the al mighty dollar. It makes me sick when I think about it.

[HitIt]

unfortunately labs and scientists have their own lives to support so they don't work for free......so yes, everything comes down to the mighty dollar...how else but with the mighty dollar do you pay for your gas, your car, your home, your internet connection, your computer, your gear, your whatever.....only people who have given up entirely their worldly possesions (mohandas ghandi?) have the right to curse others for their use (love) of (evil) money

it's like calling oil evil. but even if you don't drive a car and you ride a bicycle everywhere your life revolves around oil. your food gets delivered by oil, your mail, your public transportation, your electricity, your meds, your armed forces....but people love to hate on it...makes me laugh...

[DSM4Life]

Hitit do some research. I'm not scolding them for making a living but if you understood the stunts these companies pull for finainal gain at the expense of peoples lives it would make you sick.

[HitIt]

i'm talking about individuals, not companies....individuals make up companies, and they don't work for free...and i watched cancer eat away at my father till he was 105 lbs....then he bled out on the kitchen floor in my mothers arms..so it's not like i don't have some interest in all this

[DSM4Life]

Yea I was talking about them more as a whole. It's normally the people on top that cheat and scam the system. Sorry for your father.

[tjax03]

I didn't discard it. I took in what you said and I do get a little emotional because these drug companies screw up peoples lives/family lives all the time. I guess a lot of anger comes from the medical industry but that is a whole other topic.

When you say companies want a good reputation I call that "old timer mentality." I feel that's how it use to be. People took pride in being able to help others. Google the guy who figured out polio and gave it away for free. He is a true hero in my eyes. I feel these drug companys are run like business and it all comes down to the al mighty dollar. It makes me sick when I think about it.

I see where you are coming from. The reason I said you disregarded my post is becuase you said I was 100% wrong. I know I am not entirely correct, but I don't think you are either. The methods of capitalism and altruism seldom agree with each other. I can only give my perspective as someone who plans on entering the world you despise. Next year I will be beginning my studies for both an MD and a PhD and I plan on doing research on pharmacology/medicinal chemistry and practicing clinical medicine. My research interests may very well lead me to work for a pharm company at some point in my life. However, I can say that my primary motivation for doing so is not to make money. I am simply fascinated by the mechanisms of disease, and I want to create effective drugs for people suffering from illness. I feel that there are very many people working for these companies who are similar minded. Most people who enter the research profession do not do so for the purposes of monetary gain. There are far better options out there for that which require far less education. Maybe I am naive in thinking that there are other similar minded people, but I doubt it. I am not denying that there are greedy executive types involved, but they are not the sole operators in this industry.
There are many factors for the way things are nowadays. The reason that drug companies are run like a business is because they are businesses. Is this the ideal system. Of course not. But its all we have right now. If the companies can't make a profit then they can't support the enormous costs of research and development. However just because this is what they need to do to stay afloat doesn't make them evil. You are right this issue does expand to the problems with the medical system so I will stop here so as not to keep rambling on. Just trying to give my perspective as a not so soon to be insider.

[HitIt]

Yea I was talking about them more as a whole. It's normally the people on top that cheat and scam the system. Sorry for your father.

i appreciate that. cancer seems to be all around us these days. i know so many people with some fukced up form of cancer it's rediculous. i wish my Dad knew when he was young what we know the sun does to our skin nowadays

[DSM4Life]

I see where you are coming from. The reason I said you disregarded my post is becuase you said I was 100% wrong. I know I am not entirely correct, but I don't think you are either. The methods of capitalism and altruism seldom agree with each other. I can only give my perspective as someone who plans on entering the world you despise. Next year I will be beginning my studies for both an MD and a PhD and I plan on doing research on pharmacology/medicinal chemistry and practicing clinical medicine. My research interests may very well lead me to work for a pharm company at some point in my life. However, I can say that my primary motivation for doing so is not to make money. I am simply fascinated by the mechanisms of disease, and I want to create effective drugs for people suffering from illness. I feel that there are very many people working for these companies who are similar minded. Most people who enter the research profession do not do so for the purposes of monetary gain. There are far better options out there for that which require far less education. Maybe I am naive in thinking that there are other similar minded people, but I doubt it. I am not denying that there are greedy executive types involved, but they are not the sole operators in this industry.
There are many factors for the way things are nowadays. The reason that drug companies are run like a business is because they are businesses. Is this the ideal system. Of course not. But its all we have right now. If the companies can't make a profit then they can't support the enormous costs of research and development. However just because this is what they need to do to stay afloat doesn't make them evil. You are right this issue does expand to the problems with the medical system so I will stop here so as not to keep rambling on. Just trying to give my perspective as a not so soon to be insider.

The "100%" was a little strong but I get so upset about this topic. Wish we had more people in the field with your same mindset. I hope it all works out for you.

[DSM4Life]

i appreciate that. cancer seems to be all around us these days. i know so many people with some fukced up form of cancer it's rediculous. i wish my Dad knew when he was young what we know the sun does to our skin nowadays

Your right, cancer is everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out it has something to do with our food and how it's processed. The stuff put in foods these days is insane.

[D7M]

Your right, cancer is everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out it has something to do with our food and how it's processed. The stuff put in foods these days is insane.

I've seen a few studies that confirm that.

It was based over a 30-35 year span, but yep I totally agree.

[tjax03]

Food additives + increasing mean population age + lack of exercise = cancer + multiple other health problems

[DSM4Life]

Watch the movie "Food Inc." You'll never want to eat again.

[FTLdude]

You are 100% wrong. Again a cure only makes money off someone once. Where as cancer/HIV or whatever incurable disease awards these greedy bastards YEARS of payments.

You hit the nail on the head. There's no money in curing disease, but there's tons of money to be made from insurance premiums, medicines, and treatments= big profits for big pharma, the insurance companies, and the health care industry. Sounds bad to say it but its not in their best interest to keep coming up with cures. Cures mean far fewer repeat customers---and billions in lost profits.

[tjax03]

You hit the nail on the head. There's no money in curing disease, but there's tons of money to be made from insurance premiums, medicines, and treatments= big profits for big pharma, the insurance companies, and the health care industry. Sounds bad to say it but its not in their best interest to keep coming up with cures. Cures mean far fewer repeat customers---and billions in lost profits.

Yea its definitely all a conspiracy. Doctors and pharm companies everywhere want people to remain sick.

[DSM4Life]

Yea its definitely all a conspiracy. Doctors and pharm companies everywhere want people to remain sick.

I am not really a Micheal Moore fan but i watched this and it opened my eyes a little. Now i take stuff like this with a grain of salt BUT if any of these allegations were found to be false i am sure Moore would have been sued 1000 times over but not one lawsuit resulted from this (that i know of) which makes me wonder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGLdYBm1bY

Updated link, wrong one. Take a look TJ.


More on Linda Pion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz7n8...eature=related

[tjax03]

I am not really a Micheal Moore fan but i watched this and it opened my eyes a little. Now i take stuff like this with a grain of salt BUT if any of these allegations were found to be false i am sure Moore would have been sued 1000 times over but not one lawsuit resulted from this (that i know of) which makes me wonder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGLdYBm1bY

Updated link, wrong one. Take a look TJ.


More on Linda Pion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz7n8...eature=related

That is a very disturbing video. I was aware of some issues like this involving HMOs, but I had never heard anything which so starkly implicated their corruption.

[DSM4Life]

That is a very disturbing video. I was aware of some issues like this involving HMOs, but I had never heard anything which so starkly implicated their corruption.

I have read other articles stating the same thing which is why i get so upset when this topic comes up. If there is one person doing this then you know there are thousands more. Going from making 50K a year to 100K+ is a pretty good incentive to keep your mouth closed which i am sure a lot of other people are doing. Its disgusting.

[Times Roman]

I subscribe to the LifeExtension magazing....
http://www.lef.org/magazine/

and the November 2010 issue has an article about the Anti-Cancer effects of Metformin. this article is NOT available on Line yet, so nothing for me to cut and paste. But here is an interesting link you may investigate:

http://www.healthyfellow.com/308/metformin-and-cancer/


From Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metformin

[Panzerfaust]

Why cure what you can instead treat and make billions of dollars?

[Dr.Roidz]

Yea its definitely all a conspiracy. Doctors and pharm companies everywhere want people to remain sick.

tjaz I know your being sarcastic but is this honestly what you people think? Have any of you that actually believe this ever been involved in research? or even the medical field for that matter?

[scorpion62]

I have lost alot of family members to cancer,my mum just got the all clear from breast cancer it was a hard time, When you listen to the so called Medical specialists
for all the years that they have delt with cancer they still dont Have a Fvcking clue and never will

[Atomini]

Cancer has a lot to do with genetics rather than foods.

Genetic therapies, when developed enough, will cure the genetic side of cancer. Nanotechnology, when developed enough, will be able to most likely cure cancer itself in its tracks. We have a ways to go with that though...

[Times Roman]

Cancer has a lot to do with genetics rather than foods.

Genetic therapies, when developed enough, will cure the genetic side of cancer. Nanotechnology, when developed enough, will be able to most likely cure cancer itself in its tracks. We have a ways to go with that though...

Not so sure about that, mate. Genetics plays a role, but please do not underestimate environmental factors, of which foods is a part. My woman tells me there is a pocket of other women in our neighborhood, including herself, that are having severe menstrual bleeding for the last couple of years. We haven't been able to pinpoint it yet, but we got a letter in the mail from our water utilities stating that although still at "safe levels", the arsenic and uranium levels are higher than allowable, and would cost the city something like $26m up front and $3m per year to clean up the mess. The environmental problem is so complex, in some areas, the elevated cancer rates far and exceeds anything even remotely close to the statistical norm.