Kidney function - doctor concerned

[mrey86]

Just wanted to run this by you guys as i hear this is common among bodybuilders.

The doc wants to refer me on to a kidney specialist because i took a blood test and my uric acid and creatinine levels are high...

which is what i've been hearing since 16 which is probably in part to a high protein diet consisting of alot of red meat and lifting heavy/exercise in general i hear increases creatinine levels in blood.

Has anyone else had a scare like this?

[Bigmax]

many people live with this everyday not even knowing about it...when the doc found it he is liable so he will send you to a specialist who may run more test or give you meds...or can say " you will be fine...dont stress it..see what its about and move on

[DCannon]

Do you know what your levels were at? When I was 19 I was told the same thing, went to the specialist and he told me I had to decide if I wanted a transplant or go on dialysis. I sure hope this isn't the case for you man.

In the meantime, try taking some co-enzyme q10. It can help lower creatinine levels and improve renal function.

Good luck bro.

[mrey86]

Do you know what your levels were at? When I was 19 I was told the same thing, went to the specialist and he told me I had to decide if I wanted a transplant or go on dialysis. I sure hope this isn't the case for you man.

In the meantime, try taking some co-enzyme q10. It can help lower creatinine levels and improve renal function.

Good luck bro.

wow do you know what caused yours?

[DCannon]

wow do you know what caused yours?

It was due to reflux, the valves between my bladder and kidneys never worked properly, which allowed urine to slowly backup into my kidneys and damage them.

[mrey86]

here's an interesting article i just read that may be of interest:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi80.htm

[mrey86]

It was due to reflux, the valves between my bladder and kidneys never worked properly, which allowed urine to slowly backup into my kidneys and damage them.

was you experiencing any symptoms beforehand? sounds like yours was genetic

[DCannon]

Are you taking creatine?

[DCannon]

was you experiencing any symptoms beforehand? sounds like yours was genetic

For about a year before hand I was really tired but I assumed it was because I was going non-stop and getting very little sleep. I also was getting a lot of pain in my big toe on my right foot which was mis-diagnosed as rhumatoid arthritis by my local medicenter. It turned out to be gout due to the uric acid.

[dan5568]

taking creatine and also working out can cause an increase in creatinine levels and give you a bad kindney test, stop taking creatine for a week or two before your next test and dont work about for a couple days before..then you should get pretty accurate results

[mrey86]

went to the specialist.... he's now put me on a 24 hour urine test, another blood test and an ultrasound and tried to convince me i have a problem...

here are my results:

urea: 10.2 mmol/l Normal Ranges (3.2 - 7.1)

creatinine 123 umol/l Normal Ranges (58 - 110)

Uric Acid 447 umol/l Normal Ranges (208 - 425)

[DCannon]

My creatinine level when I found out I had renal failure was 1200 umol/L. 123 is not that bad. Probably just from training. Are you taking creatine?

[DCannon]

Even now, on dialysis, mine runs between 400 and 600.

[mrey86]

My creatinine level when I found out I had renal failure was 1200 umol/L. 123 is not that bad. Probably just from training. Are you taking creatine?

wow, that's high...

well, the doctor has successfully worried me shitless so i'm going to see a different doctor after i've done my further tests.... the deal breaker is when he said exercise wouldn't elevate it that high when i knwo that not to be true...

also, i'm not sure that 13 points over the normal range is that big a concern

is it?

[DCannon]

IF you're taking creatine and working out hard your levels are going to be higher than the average guy.

I wouldn't worry too much about it just yet, like I said, get yourself some coenzyme q10 and take 100mg/day.

Next time you get tests done, make sure you haven't worked out for a couple of days beforehand.

[mrey86]

Ok so i got an ultrasound done and waiting for results from that and 24 hour urinalysis.

The radiologist though said my kidneys were of good size and shape and couldn't see any obstructions.

I think i'm starting to get psychosomatic symptoms being worried by this ****... my big toe has started to ache although my uric acid levels were 447 which is only 22 points over the limit

[Far from massive]

These markers are higher than you should expect as a result of a high protein diet in a healthy athlete ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779 ) the use of creatine while also generally well tolerated in healthy individuals at normal doses ( about 10g per day ) at elevated doses the chance of causing changes in lab values increases exponentially. In addition many medications are Nephrotoxic (toxic to the kidneys) and when taken in combination the synergistic affect of the two together will cause bad labwork, so check any meds you may be taking for nephrotoxicity (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...73.html#Dosage) .

Finally as with any addition of substances which place an additional strain on the filtering organs proper hydration is always the first and foremost thing that needs to be addressed and this has been strangely missing from the discussion.

[mrey86]

These markers are higher than you should expect as a result of a high protein diet in a healthy athlete ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779 ) the use of creatine while also generally well tolerated in healthy individuals at normal doses ( about 10g per day ) at elevated doses the chance of causing changes in lab values increases exponentially. In addition many medications are Nephrotoxic (toxic to the kidneys) and when taken in combination the synergistic affect of the two together will cause bad labwork, so check any meds you may be taking for nephrotoxicity (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...73.html#Dosage) .

Finally as with any addition of substances which place an additional strain on the filtering organs proper hydration is always the first and foremost thing that needs to be addressed and this has been strangely missing from the discussion.

Thanks, I think i misread your post. Are you saying that a high protein diet is expected to cause these markers to be higher or that my markers are higher than what should be expected even compared to that of an athlete?

I wasn't taking creatine but i had come off a test cycle 3 weeks since then and had lost a lot of muscle because i had a cold and i wasnt training while away... however leading up to the test i had trained hard for 3 days and had DOMS.

also that study talks about clearance; I'm still waiting on those results. I had results which showed high serum levels so far.

[muscle_dysmorphia]

You're a 23 year old CHILD, and you run cycles of 1g of test per week.

You abuse steroids, and haven't allowed your HPTA time to fully develop.

Get off the f*cking steroids, and take some co-enzyme q10.

Children......... jesus.

[muscle_dysmorphia]

many people live with this everyday not even knowing about it...when the doc found it he is liable so he will send you to a specialist who may run more test or give you meds...or can say " you will be fine...dont stress it..see what its about and move on

x2

Unfortunately stubborn kids tend to disregard good advice.

[Far from massive]

I am sorry my post was unlear. What I was saying (just quoting the study) is that healthy people engaged in body building and high protein diets despite having a higher blood level (outside normal range) of Uric acid the other markers, creatine, urea and albumin generally fell within normal ranges. I really think that if your values were this slightly elevated (other than the urea which is to be expected) that you do not have any problem, however I agree 100% with your primary care providers decision to send you to a specialist.

Higher loads of different substance taken in by the body almost alway express themselves as elavated labwork ( look the urine of anyone on a tren cycle LOL or the liver values of someone on a high dose of Dianabol or any other 17A oral) however these elevated values are almost always temporary and are a reflection of the increased amount of toxins being filtered resulting a temporary increase in lab values , not the result of permanant organ damage.

Also you mentioned you had been sick, so maybe your body was still taxed from that.

And you mention you had DOMS.... I am new to this whole abbreviation thing what are DOMS?

[mrey86]

I am sorry my post was unlear. What I was saying (just quoting the study) is that healthy people engaged in body building and high protein diets despite having a higher blood level (outside normal range) of Uric acid the other markers, creatine, urea and albumin generally fell within normal ranges. I really think that if your values were this slightly elevated (other than the urea which is to be expected) that you do not have any problem, however I agree 100% with your primary care providers decision to send you to a specialist.

Higher loads of different substance taken in by the body almost alway express themselves as elavated labwork ( look the urine of anyone on a tren cycle LOL or the liver values of someone on a high dose of Dianabol or any other 17A oral) however these elevated values are almost always temporary and are a reflection of the increased amount of toxins being filtered resulting a temporary increase in lab values , not the result of permanant organ damage.

Also you mentioned you had been sick, so maybe your body was still taxed from that.

And you mention you had DOMS.... I am new to this whole abbreviation thing what are DOMS?

Thanks for your post

DOMS = delayed onset muscle soreness...

which would be further evidence that there was a large breakdown of muscle tissue having being untrained for 3 weeks

"people engaged in body building and high protein diets despite having a higher blood level (outside normal range) of Uric acid the other markers, creatine, urea and albumin generally fell within normal ranges."

yes they were outside normal for serum but fell inside normal for clearance values