Cycling TEST E, DECA and PRIMO

[gymratbig]

Hi guys,

Well this is my 3rd thread that I am starting, the first 2 threads I did I posted questions without much research on my own, so the last week I spent hours browsing and reading threads and have learned and gained lots of valuable info, I have finally settled on a cycle that I would like to stick with but I have a few questions. First off I want to thank everyone who replied to my previous posts with some great info. For those who haven’t read them, my stats are 5’9, 170lbs 8-9%bf and 27years old I have been lifting for 8-9 years now. Planning to start my cycle in Jan

The cycle I have decided/thinking about is Test E 250mg/wk, Primo 100 or 200mg/wk and Deca 250mg/wk for 10 or 12 weeks (depending on advice)

My goals: To gain 8-10 pounds of pure clean muscle while keeping side effects to a complete minimum.

Now I know with the such a dose low dosage of primo I don’t have much to worry about in terms of side effects, with the TEST E and Deca I know the side effects that may or may not occur.

My questions are

1) I read on Ronnie Rowland’s thread talking about after 8 weeks TEST and Deca stop kicking in unless I increase my dosages (something I don’t want to do) I would like to stay with low doses. What do you think about that?

2) With these low doses and a good diet, will this give me the results I am looking for? Of course assuming my diet and workouts are on par.

3) I have read about many different PCT’s for many different products. I was thinking about Nolva and clomid for 4 weeks as my PCT. Is that good or am I completely lost?

4) What’s the best way to insure that I keep my gains after my cycle?

5) What’s the quickest way to get my natural Testosterone levels back to normal after my cycle?


Questions 4 and 5 I am still researching on my own but would be greatly appreciated if you guys gave me few pointers


Thanks in advance, and sorry if I disrespected anyone in my previous threads, trust me it was out of ignorance

[scotty51312]

Hi guys,

Well this is my 3rd thread that I am starting, the first 2 threads I did I posted questions without much research on my own, so the last week I spent hours browsing and reading threads and have learned and gained lots of valuable info, I have finally settled on a cycle that I would like to stick with but I have a few questions. First off I want to thank everyone who replied to my previous posts with some great info. For those who haven’t read them, my stats are 5’9, 170lbs 8-9%bf and 27years old I have been lifting for 8-9 years now. Planning to start my cycle in Jan

The cycle I have decided/thinking about is Test E 250mg/wk, Primo 100 or 200mg/wk and Deca 250mg/wk for 10 or 12 weeks (depending on advice)
is this a first cycle. I just don't feel like going through your old threads?
My goals: To gain 8-10 pounds of pure clean muscle while keeping side effects to a complete minimum.
if this is a first cycle and you're running a 19nor like deca you're asking for issus
Now I know with the such a dose low dosage of primo I don’t have much to worry about in terms of side effects, with the TEST E and Deca I know the side effects that may or may not occur.
anything less than 300mg of primo a week is a waste IMO

My questions are

1) I read on Ronnie Rowland’s thread talking about after 8 weeks TEST and Deca stop kicking in unless I increase my dosages (something I don’t want to do) I would like to stay with low doses. What do you think about that?
no need to up the dose if you're just beginning. Deca being one of the longest esters out there won't really kick in till week 5 or so

2) With these low doses and a good diet, will this give me the results I am looking for? Of course assuming my diet and workouts are on par.
Hard to say what results you will have it varies from person to person. to many factors involved to answer this question

3) I have read about many different PCT’s for many different products. I was thinking about Nolva and clomid for 4 weeks as my PCT. Is that good or am I completely lost?
read swifto's PCT Q&A thread in the PCT forum

4) What’s the best way to insure that I keep my gains after my cycle?
Marcus has a good thread on this thats a sticky at the top of this forum

5) What’s the quickest way to get my natural Testosterone levels back to normal after my cycle?
seriously? You do understand thats the purpose of PCT right?


Questions 4 and 5 I am still researching on my own but would be greatly appreciated if you guys gave me few pointers


Thanks in advance, and sorry if I disrespected anyone in my previous threads, trust me it was out of ignorance

Too many compounds. Just run test E 400-500mg a week split into two injections a week for 10-12 weeks and a standard PCT. AAS isn't like stacking supplements more isn't always better especially when you're starting out.

[gymratbig]

Actually this is my 2nd cycle,

First cycle was TEST 450/wk and deca 250/wk for 12 weeks.

with the primo im looking to start with small doses to see how my body reacts that up the dosage if needed, i already know how i will react to the TEST and DECA alone

[shennen]

Spend more time reading about pct. Will answer a lotta your questions.
8-10 pounds should be mad easy for you, fix your diet and test alone will get what you want.

[gymratbig]

ok so what do you guys think abou TEST E and Primo? I really have my eye set on primo i heard and read LOTS of GREAT things about it and REALLY would like to try it, also the 8-10 pounds im looking to gain i want them clean and pure muscle not water or fat and yah i know that all goes back to my diet

[Rizdizzle]

Personally i dont think you need 3 compounds to gain 8-10 pounds. With proper diet training you could easily gain 15 on 400-500mg of a long estered test like E or C
Especially on a 2nd cycle. Save the Nor-19's etc for your 4th or 5th if you get that far. Adding more isnt always the proper route.
Also you should read alot more about PCT as it is vital for you to keep your hard earned gains

[Rizdizzle]

also if you are worried about sides on test take 10mg of Nolv daily with your cycle

[gymratbig]

yeah but what about the water retention with the TEST E? and whats the harm if i ran test e with primo?

[scotty51312]

Primo and test would be a good second cycle. I understand the desire to try new compounds, If i were you i'd just run test and primo together at moderate dose of each. You should still have good gains if diet and training are in order

[gymratbig]

appreciate the advice guys, i think im going to just go with the TEST E 250/wk and Primo 100-200/wk

and as far as my PCT please guys critique and let me know if it good

4 weeks of PCT

1-2 nolva 40mg ed I take nolva during the day
3-4 nolva 20mg ed again in the morning

1-2 clomid 100mg ed I take the clomid at night to help with the sids
3-4 clomid 50mg ed, again at night....

[scotty51312]

Raise the primo up if you want results from it. If you're not running 300-400mg a week minimum you're not going to really see anything from it

[gymratbig]

yo scottie appreciate the help man im planning on starting at 100mg of primo for the first 3 weeks then go up as i go along.


whats the best time for this cycle 8weeks, 10 weeks or 12weeks?

[gymratbig]

im planning a 10 weeks cycle and my PCT is 4 weeks

1-2 nolva 40mg ed I take nolva during the day
3-4 nolva 20mg ed again in the morning

1-2 clomid 100mg ed I take the clomid
3-4 clomid 50mg ed, again at night....

Guys please critique my PCT and CYCLE i really dont want to screw it up and lose any of my gains

[dec11]

primo dose is a complete waste, you need at least 600mg for 16wks to see decent results

[gymratbig]

ok guys it seems everyone has something different to say regarding my cycle.
My cycle is going to be Primo and TEST E.

can someone please advise me as whats the best length of time to run this for?

[scotty51312]

Everyone may have something to say but they all say the primo dose is crap. If you LISTEN and up the primo dose to a reasonable level then 14-16 weeks IMO

[gymratbig]

Ok so ill up my dose of Primo that sounds fair, if you are saying 14-16 weeks than how long should i run my TEST E for if im running the primo for 14-16 weeks?

[dec11]

Ok so ill up my dose of Primo that sounds fair, if you are saying 14-16 weeks than how long should i run my TEST E for if im running the primo for 14-16 weeks?

primo is mild and can actually be run without test so it wont matter if you are on it afew wks more than the test

[gymratbig]

appreciate the help DEC11

so guys please let me know what you think about this

Test E 250mg/wk for 10 weeks and Primo for 12-14 weeks

and pct is 4 weks
1-2 nolva 40mg ed I take nolva during the day
3-4 nolva 20mg ed again in the morning

1-2 clomid 100mg ed I take the clomid
3-4 clomid 50mg ed, again
please critique fellas

also if i start noticing too much water retention what can i use while im on my cycle to battle the water

[dec11]

no harm in stetching the test e to the duration either. i would just keep the clomid at 50mg throughout pct, neva noticed any diff at all between 100mg and 50mg for the 1st 2wks. when i pct'd before i went trt, i did: nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50/50/50

pct was based on swifto's advice and he knows a thing or two about it.

[gymratbig]

appreciate the advice bro thanks a lot