Hi, 48 year young, looking for advice on first cycle in years……………..

[Big Joe Bob]

Hi, 48 year young, looking for advice on first cycle in years……………..

I am 48 years young.
105kilos
BF is 15%
Been training all my life, harder over the last 10 years.
This will be my second cycle.
My goal is to get big, put on weight and get stronger.
Thanks in advance for any comments.
I train for about 70 mins per session, 2 body parts, a day, 3 on 1 off, old school but I like it. B&B, C&T S&L.
What I plan to do is………………………………………… …..
Test Enanthate 1ml twice a week for 12 weeks
Deca Durabolin 1ml twice a week for 12 weeks.
I also plan to use Winstrol 2-3ml from week 6 through to week 14.
1800mg Clomid - 48 tabs (50mg/tab) from 13 to 15.

Basically its a 12 week cycle on the juce, but cutting with the Winny.

I eat a high protein diet and have 2 say away from carbs as much as I can as they just blote me

Need some guidance on starting cycle correctly.... Thanks

[MBMETC]

welcome, how long has it been since your last cycle, hows your diet can you list k/cals and macros, and finally how tall are you.
what is your gear dosed at mgs/ml

[Big Joe Bob]

Hi, its good to be aboard.

It must be about 10 years since I last dabbled, and then it was pretty unsuccessful, just a mate telling me what to do.

I am 6.2. feet tall.

Diet ……………………..
AM
Albran and skimmed milk
Orange juice
Chicken and toast.

Tuna

Chicken pork or fish for lunch with salad.

PM.

Tuna.

Red meat and 3 veg for dinner.

Tuna and toast at bedtime.

I take 2 full scoops of protein and amino’s after training.

The gear is in 2ml or 100 mg amps.

Oh and I forgot, planning on taking 30mg of D-Bol a day during the 12 weeks.

Hope this helps………………………………………..

[MBMETC]

6'2" 230lbs
gear 100mg/ml 2ml amps
400mgs pw test e
400mgs pw deca
is this correct

its hard to see for sure without calories and macros listed but 3 solid meals a day may not be enough eating 5-8 meals a day would be more of a benifit.
look in the diet section and look at guys diets who are looking for simaler results as you and compare your diet to theirs and see how it measures up.
i think some tweaking on your diet first to support your gains would be wise.
also clomid alone is not striong enough pct, read the pct stickies on clomid and nolva

your cycle is not bad test and deca run together can produce nice gains however test should be run 2 weeks longer than deca
also read the profiles on the compounds you want to use, you will need anchillaries to combat all potential side effects

[Big Joe Bob]

6'2" 230lbs
gear 100mg/ml 2ml amps
400mgs pw test e
400mgs pw deca
is this correct…………………………………………………… yes that’s correct.

I will have a look at the diet section as you suggested.

Also ……………I will go with the Deca for an extra 2 weeks.

And finally I will look into going with some Tamoxifen Citrate.

Hanks for the advice MBMETC……………………………

Live long and prosper……………………………………………………….

[Far from massive]

I am really confused, I just ran across this thread and unless I am reading it wrong this is going to be your second cycle and you are going to run test and deca 400/400 for 14 to 16weeks??? with winny part of the time and dianabol to kick it??

And then you are going to use clomid soley for PCT and start on week 13 ( I guess now it would be week 16) while still using winny and only run it for 2 weeks after a 3.5 to 4 month cycle??

No offense but terrible cycle/PCT/ diet you really need to do a lot of reading here and in the diet section before starting any cycle ( PS a Test only cycle of 4-500 a wk with at least a 4 wk PCT would be a lot better choice, hopefully after you read and rethink and repost you can get some tips on specifics from those with some real knowlege as I am a newbie myself)

I really hope by bumping this to the top of the page some of the mods, vets with a lot of experience will see it and can reinforce how ill advised this would be at any age much less 48 and a 2nd cycle.

[Big Joe Bob]

Far from massive …………………………………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦

Its OK …………………………. I often get confused too

I am running a 12/14 week cycle………………..

Test and 200 per week, NOT 400………………………………………†¦â€¦

Deca 200 per week NOT 400………………………………….

I have been informed to run with the Deca 2 weeks longer than the test……………………

I plan to start the deca 2 wks after the test…………………………

And Winny form week 6 to 14………………………………………… ……

I will be taking Dianabol to kick it………………………………

I will increase my PTC to 4 weeks maybe 5…………………………..

Not that confusing really, well not for me anyway………………….

I actuall have been reading the diet section, but thanks for pointing it out.

But thanks for taking the time to tell me my cycle is terrible……..

NOT planning on starting this tell march 2011…………………..

Trying to get help…………. Not criticism.

Live Long and Prosper……………………………………⠀¦.

[MBMETC]

First you agreed with me when i asked you if you were doing 400mgs of each compound per week, now you say 200mgs.
I really think more reading and education are needed .the doses on both compounds are too low winni can be hard on the joints I don't know if 200mgs pw of deca will offset this. And pct needs work clomid alone is inadiquit

[bigrobbo]

Joe just go with something like

week 1-12 500mg Test E 2x 250/week
week 15-18 PCT novadex 40/40/20/20

If you want take D/ball week 1-4 at 30mg/day to give you a kick start.
and make sure you eat enough or it will be a waste of time

[Big Joe Bob]

OK…………………………………….

I am going back 2 the drawing board……….

Thanks for some of the advice.

And the others should get off there high horse……………..

Live long and prosper

[MBMETC]

OK…………………………………….

I am going back 2 the drawing board……….

Thanks for some of the advice.

And the others should get off there high horse……………..

Live long and prosper

no horses here just members looking to help other members

warp speed, im outta here

[SlimmerMe]

Here's an idea: just a couple days ago a challenge was announced. This challenge starts in January for 12 weeks. The goal is for trainers to be matched with trainees thru PM's guiding with workout and diet to reach goals. The before and after photos will determine who improved the most. This is the first like this here on this site and since you want to start your cycle in March this would be perfect preparation, don't you think? All you have to do is announce on the link below your interest to participate and when the time comes, a moderator will assign you your personal trainer. Sounds like perfect timing to me!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...tion-Challange

[Far from massive]

How could you loose on an offer like that ^^^^^?

I don't know if I was the high horse guy, if so all I was trying to do was point out that your cycle was the opposite of every cycle I have seen suggested for a new (basically) user. If my post seemed harsh sorry but I would rather offend you than see you posting a few weeks after starting the cycle saying you are having bad sides and wanting to know which one of the 4 compounds you should stop to cure the problem. Its for this reason and others that a test only cycle is reccomended.

[Big Joe Bob]

Far from massive ………………………………………….

Thanks for taking the time to reply………………

I will take onboard what you, and others say and will come up with a new plan over the next few weeks.

Live Long and Prosper

[Big Joe Bob]

Far from massive ………………………………………….

Thanks for taking the time to reply………………

I will take onboard what you, and others say and will come up with a new plan over the next few weeks.

Live Long and Prosper

[Big Joe Bob]

Far from massive ………………………………………….

Thanks for taking the time to reply………………

I will take onboard what you say and will come up with a nep plan over the next few weeks.

Live Long and Prosper

[MBMETC]

I guess it was me on the horse ffm