clen kills

[cro]

dozens of death a year and rising, ive been looking into this thinking i would purchases some . but that changed .very high risk of heart attacks.deffinetely not to exceed 100. and on a couple of profile sites says dont take this youve been warned.....im not tring to blow up any sponcers because i use all there products and recomend them. but i feel this is my duty to share this knowledge..so all you heavier/not in great physical condition that think this is some miracle weight loss drug. think about this. your at an even higher risk. SEE i HAVE CHILDREN AND I COULD NEVER IMMAGINE CHECKING OUT EARLY BROTHERS. THIS IS MY DUTY TO SPREAD THIS KNOWLEDGE AND I KNOW IT WILL PISS SOME PEOPLE OFF . BUT MAYBE THIS COULD SAVE A LIFE.....

[Maged]

thnx for the info, but we alrdy know this...

[Bonaparte]

There are risks with any drug. We know this and always have. This thread is just silly.

[terraj]

To many BBs doing this shit, clen with aas and heavy lifting = heart issues....now or later.

I see a lot of guys in the future having health issues due to clen useage.

[terraj]

There are risks with any drug. We know this and always have. This thread is just silly.

"Silly", I don't think so Bro.

To many guys here are on clen, guys who are not even cutting for a comp....they could get the same results with cardio and diet.
With AAS you get past where you would as a natty (most of us)....with clen, not needed and not without risks.

[Maged]

actualy for me all liver toxic steroids & heart hypotrophy steroids r black listed before even trying them or even thinking of taking them

[bruary17]

There are risks with any drug. We know this and always have. This thread is just silly.

There's nothing silly about somebody taking the time out to warn other people of dangers. That's right Bonaparte, there are risks with all drugs but some significantly
more then others.

[scotty51312]

My issue with clen is, i've seen threads from people who are morbidly obese, men over 30% bodyfat, and women that are a little on the heavy side using clen all the time. No experience with AAS, no workout experience what so ever and they're using clen!!! Being overweight puts a strain on your heart to begin with, and then they want to introduce a compound thats known to cause cardiac hypertrophy, thats a recipe for a heart attack or serious heart problems down the road. I agree there are risks with any drug and by darwins theory of natural selection there are going to be idiots out there that wanna take clen then go in a sauna and do intense cardio but I still think people should know the risks of taking clen and realize that dropping 100lbs with clen may shorten thier lifespan more than being overweight to begin with!

[Brewster]

thats not that many people dying to be honest

[KAEW44]

thats not that many people dying to be honest

You are right more reported people die of other legal stuff like alcohol or sleeping tablets and many more, the difference when it comes to clen is that its profile and reputation when it comes to results seems to attract very overweight people as opposed to pro's who are trying to break under 10%bf for example. As mentioned above by other members when you are overweight and already are borderline when it comes to heart problems, diabetes, cholesterol and you have little or no exercise experience then it is easy to think of clen as a shortcut when infact it will be very dangerous to that person given they are starting at an unhealthy state and also their expectations are unrealistic, if you are overweight you need to WAIT!! patience is the key and diet and exercise will bring results with time.

Remember fat loss supplements are a huge industry because everyone wants a shortcut nobody wants to work hard, so when you introduce something as "illegal" or "underground" the overweight people will assume the normal "must be banned cause its awesome" so they will find it and use it thinking u can go from flab to abs in a couple of weeks, too bad they end up in the ER...sometimes.

[cro]

Yes thats not that many people. But seeings how theres no reported deaths from steroids themselves thats alot .

[kleaver]

to be something others can't... you have to be willing to do things others won't

[bruary17]

to be something others can't... you have to be willing to do things others won't

I'll tell you what....not if my lifes at risk. Use common sense. It's one thing to run a moderate cycle if you have a passion for muscle and if you go about it in the most intelligent way possible. its another thing to aide yourself in fat reduction with a potent and harmful compound such as clen.....ESPECIALLY when you can achieve the same results with a little caffiene/diet.cardio manipulation.

[cro]

Bro the only reason i posted this is to spread the knowledge ive seen nothing posted on this site about this true fact. People can make their own decisions after reading this thread .ill never touch it

[FireGuy]

to be something others can't... you have to be willing to do things others won't

If you somehow think that motto applies to the message of the OP you are terribly misguided.

[kleaver]

If you somehow think that motto applies to the message of the OP you are terribly misguided.

i do, actually...
i'm not saying that clenbuterol is safe... or that the side-effects are to be ignored. but at some point most people on this forum decided to use methods other than natural manipulation to supplement their body-sculpting goals... hence: "(being) willing to do things others won't (do)"

I think the OP was meant in good faith, to warn against the dangers. but anyone taking clen who doesn't know those dangers shouldn't be taking it... i'm pretty sure most of us know those dangers. The drugs give the person taking them the ability to reach a level of body-sculpting (whether that is getting cut, putting on mass, etc) that other, non-medicated people just can't reach with the same amt of effort, time, and under differing genetic predispositions

long story short, i DO think that adage applies- whether it applies to me, or you, or not...

[zabster151]

if used correctly you will be fine.

[TheMemoryRemains]

Watch bigger,stronger faster and read more posts/stickies on this site and re-evaluate your opinions

[terraj]

i do, actually...
i'm not saying that clenbuterol is safe... or that the side-effects are to be ignored. but at some point most people on this forum decided to use methods other than natural manipulation to supplement their body-sculpting goals... hence: "(being) willing to do things others won't (do)"

I think the OP was meant in good faith, to warn against the dangers. but anyone taking clen who doesn't know those dangers shouldn't be taking it... i'm pretty sure most of us know those dangers. The drugs give the person taking them the ability to reach a level of body-sculpting (whether that is getting cut, putting on mass, etc) that other, non-medicated people just can't reach with the same amt of effort, time, and under differing genetic predispositions

long story short, i DO think that adage applies- whether it applies to me, or you, or not...

The difference is, steroids take you past where you can get to as a natty, where as diet and cardio can give you what clen will.

You don't see the differnce there?

[terraj]

if used correctly you will be fine.

What do you define as "correctly"?

[kleaver]

terraj. i agree completely with

"where as diet and cardio can give you what clen will.

You don't see the differnce there? "

however... and i dont fall under this category... let's say someone is in contest prep and wants to keep as much mass as possible, has their diet tooled down to be very lean, and they want to cut all of the "sticky fat" (last bit that is hardest to shed)... the amount of time and cardio needed would be too long for contest time, ORR would result in too much muscle mass loss.

again. i prefer cario and diet to manipulate fat... and i agree that clen is dangerous... but i think that for somepeople... who understand the risks... it's not necessarily the worst thing out there.


by "correctly", i bet that zabster meant monitoring BP and RHR... making sure that if either jumps outside of a healthy range, the dosage is cut back... and that especially on prolonged clen cycles with keto to keep the receptors upregulated... that the cycle doesn't exeed much more than 6 weeks(imho).

it's dangerous. but so is someone messing up a glute pin and hitting the sciatic or an abscess, or someone pinning humalog at night and never waking up... long story short. know the risks... so that when you take them, you know what you may be in store for

[Tigershark]

Honestly I checked out after reading the 1st sentence. I will always use clen during my pct, I don't mind the risk.

[junkiescumbag]

diet and cardio is awesome for cutting fat. but diet cardio AND clen is ridiculous. i dont intend on stopping my clen usage when cutting down. i can cut much faster and lose hardly any muscle

[RB3232]

Why dont you just read up on Lyle McDonald and the legendary dan duchaine then post back

[terraj]

terraj. i agree completely with

"where as diet and cardio can give you what clen will.

You don't see the differnce there? "

however... and i dont fall under this category... let's say someone is in contest prep and wants to keep as much mass as possible, has their diet tooled down to be very lean, and they want to cut all of the "sticky fat" (last bit that is hardest to shed)... the amount of time and cardio needed would be too long for contest time, ORR would result in too much muscle mass loss.

again. i prefer cario and diet to manipulate fat... and i agree that clen is dangerous... but i think that for somepeople... who understand the risks... it's not necessarily the worst thing out there.


by "correctly", i bet that zabster meant monitoring BP and RHR... making sure that if either jumps outside of a healthy range, the dosage is cut back... and that especially on prolonged clen cycles with keto to keep the receptors upregulated... that the cycle doesn't exeed much more than 6 weeks(imho).

it's dangerous. but so is someone messing up a glute pin and hitting the sciatic or an abscess, or someone pinning humalog at night and never waking up... long story short. know the risks... so that when you take them, you know what you may be in store for

I made mention of comp prep in post 5 of this thread. How many guys on here use clen ? How many guys on here compete?

[ijbickerdike]

I think there is an interesting study which shows the effect of clen vs alcohol and paracetamol and the results are a little more shocking that you think. Hypertrophy happens in the left hand side of the heart when you do cardio, the heart doesn't get bigger just stronger as more muscle fibres ar incorperated within the growth from cardio (hence the 20mins a day cardio) i think there is a fine line with clen and weight loss and the fact always seems to come from abuse. Alot of people take steroids and want to get massive gains, but as i know clen is not a steroid the abuse still lays with the individual taking it.

All in all if people want to take it and have bloods done and LFT samples done then i feel there is no reason why people should not take any drug but they should be aware of the abuse levels.

[FireGuy]

if used correctly you will be fine.

Really? Cause you are their personal physician? This is the kind of stuff I am talking about. More than likely, if used in moderate dosages for a short amount of time you will be fine. But there are plenty of exceptions and to make this statement and totally discount the risks involved is reckless.

I made mention of comp prep in post 5 of this thread. How many guys on here use clen ? How many guys on here compete?

Exactly! I have competed in numerous shows without the use of clen and managed to condition myself just fine through diet and cardio alone. For the people saying "to acheive what other cant you need to do what others wont". Nothing personal, but just what have you achieved through the use of clen? Have you won any bodybuilding shows? Have you ever even competed in a bodybuilding show? I find it disturbing that people think they need to use clen to drop 10lbs of fat or get to 10% bodyfat.

[Ashop]

Most everything I have ever seen or read bad about CLENBUTEROL is when it was used in massive amounts
and/or for long periods of time.

[RB3232]

whats a "high" dose then?