No fat, no water, just LEAN muscle (Anavar Vs Tren)

[KimboHalfSlice]

A little history first:
* My first cycle was Sustanon on its own for 14 weeks, then PCT
* My second cycle was Sustanon/Deca/Dbol/hCG for 12 weeks, then PCT

What I learned from these two cycles:
* I don't experience any hair thinning or hair loss, even at very high dosages
* I don't experience gynecomastia, even at very high dosages.
* I only get a tiny bit more aggressive when I'm on high doses.
* All that sounds great, but I DO suffer pretty badly from testicular atrophy, so if I'm taking a highly androgenic drug then hCG is a must.

I haven't taken steroids in about 10 months, so I'm looking to start my 3rd cycle very soon.

I used to live in Thailand, and I was able to get anything I wanted over the counter in the pharmacy.

I've only been back in my home country (in Europe) for 1 month now. I'll be here for at least 2 years because I'm furthering my studies.

I had planned on taking Test P and Tren A for my next cycle... however now that I'm back in Europe, all I can get is UGL stuff, which means that the Test P will probably be quite painful and interfere with my workouts. Not really into that.

So instead, I'm looking at just taking Anavar on its own. I'm thinking 60mg per day for 12 weeks.

Anyway, let's say I go with the following cycle:

Anavar  --  Week 1-12  --  60mg per day

Will I need any hCG, Clomiphene or Tamoxifen? I have access to all three of these drugs but they're more expensive here in Europe.

Would Anavar be suitable for putting on lean muscle? Being strong is cool and all but I'm way more interested in looking ripped and putting on pure muscle.

[baseline_9]

First off can we see some stats

One this i will say is that just because the gear is UGL doesnt mean its going to be much worse than HG

I know people running HG prop and my Prop is much less painfull, it is simply down to how the UGL gear is made, if they use EO and the concentration per ml

U will not find HG tren either as is is not a HG drug

I dont think HG prop is brewed with EO anyway, i may be wrong tho

[KimboHalfSlice]

After having done two cycles, I was 14 kg heavier. (Both cycles gave me about 7kg). It wasn't all muscle though of course, my abs slowly but surely disappeared.

But then I had my money stolen in Thailand, so I worked 3 jobs from 8am to 8pm. Didn't have time to work out, didn't have time to eat. Over a period of 6 weeks, I lost about 10 kg.

I'll know better in future.

Anyway.

I started back training properly and eating properly about 6 weeks ago. I'm eating good foods and I go through a 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass every 4 weeks or so. I'm in the gym about 5 days a week.

I feel healthy, I'm getting strong, and my weight is slowly increasing on the weighing scales. I've gained maybe a kilo or 2 in the last 6 weeks.

Now I just want something to put my gains into turbo. As I said, I was gonna go with Test P and Tren A, but now I'm looking at Anavar.

I know people running HG prop and my Prop is much less painfull, it is simply down to how the UGL gear is made, if they use EO and the concentration per ml

You're right, but the problem is that I won't know if the stuff is painful or not until I actually inject it. The guy selling it is always going to say that it doesn't hurt.

I reckon there's a good chance that the Test P will be painful, and then that's my workouts fcked. I haven't got money to burn so I'm not gonna get the stuff.

So what do you think of my proposed Anavar cycle:

Anavar -- Week 1-12 -- 60mg per day

Would I need hCG, Clomiphene or Tamoxifen at all?

[KimboHalfSlice]

Is the following cycle alright?

Anavar -- Week 1-12 -- 60mg per day

Do I need to take hCG with it all? And do I need to do PCT?

[MrGreen]

You have still not put your stats up.

Me? I wouldnt bother with anything under 100mg a day.

[KimboHalfSlice]

I'm 30 years old.

I won't be telling my current weight because then I'll be judged based on my weight alone.

My weight is low. It's lower than it should be for someone who wants to take anabolic steroids. I'm aware of this, but I'm also experienced with steroid use. I've done two cycles previously and I used to be about 14kg heavier.

I lost that 14kg when I ran out of money and I had to work 3 jobs. No money for meat, no money for protein powder, no time or energy to train. The 14kg disappeared over a period of about 2 months.

I've out of that situation now though, and I started back training properly and eating properly 6 weeks ago.

I'm training 5 days a week, eating a solid high-protein diet, taking my weight gainer shakes. And now I wanna throw Anavar in on top of it just to speed things along.

Could someone please tell me whether hCG/Clomid/Nolvadex are required for a 12-week run of Anavar?

I looked at BJJ's thread on Oxandrolone but I can't take much from it because he used other steroids with it. I'm just looking at taking Anavar on its own.

Any advice please?

[sleep.eat.train]

Just because its UGL doesn't mean it will be more painful all depends on how it is made.

As for your anavar cycle: You shouldn't exceed 8 weeks and that dosage is what my clients usually take so I'm gonna go ahead and say that looks fine. Tamox for PCT should suffice at 40 20 20 20.

[terraj]

Man what a question" Tren/Prop vs Anavar?" Lol

And what do you mean by "High Doses" ? Why were you taking high doses?

[terraj]

Just because its UGL doesn't mean it will be more painful all depends on how it is made.

As for your anavar cycle: You shouldn't exceed 8 weeks and that dosage is what my clients usually take so I'm gonna go ahead and say that looks fine. Tamox for PCT should suffice at 40 20 20 20.

Since you train people and advise them on their steroid useage, do you think that you should be advising the OP without his stats?

[KimboHalfSlice]

Just because its UGL doesn't mean it will be more painful all depends on how it is made.

I know, you're right.

I'm used to buying my steroids in a pharmacy, not from "dealers".

When I lived in Thailand, I knew what brands were good and I knew where to buy them. Now that I'm back in Europe though, I just have to trust what the dealer tells me.

Fair enough, the dealer might have good quality products, but I won't know that until I inject it. With the amount of money I have right now, I'm not willing to try that.

Anavar might be an easy choice for me.

[dec11]

I know, you're right.

I'm used to buying my steroids in a pharmacy, not from "dealers".

When I lived in Thailand, I knew what brands were good and I knew where to buy them. Now that I'm back in Europe though, I just have to trust what the dealer tells me.

Fair enough, the dealer might have good quality products, but I won't know that until I inject it. With the amount of money I have right now, I'm not willing to try that.
Anavar might be an easy choice for me.

what was the point in creating this thread then?

[KimboHalfSlice]

Man what a question" Tren/Prop vs Anavar?" Lol

I've never taken Tren or Anavar so I'd be greatful if you could elaborate on that.

And what do you mean by "High Doses" ? Why were you taking high doses?

At one stage I was taking 1 gram of Sustanon per week along with 1 gram of Deca per week, and I was taking 40mg of Dianabol per day. I had my bloodwork done a few days after my last shot and everything was fine (well my liver values were slightly elevated, but the doctor said they'd be back to normal within 3 months). Cholesterol was perfect. No hair loss. No tits. No prostate problems. I did have a tiny bit of Deca Dick but it disappeared right after I stopped shooting the Deca.

Since you train people and advise them on their steroid useage, do you think that you should be advising the OP without his stats?

He knows my age, my past steroid experience, my current training regiment, and how I'm eating. And I've also explained why my weight is lower than to be expected for someone who has already done two cycles.

If I disclose my current weight, it will only serve as a false indicator to those who want to offer me advice. If I told you that I was 55kg, how would you react? Would you straight away say that I shouldn't touch steroids? Would you factor into account that I was once 28% heavier as a result of training, eating and steroid use?

How many people here actually whip out the calculator and take into account how tall or short a person is when they hear how much the person weighs? If a guy is 5'3", has a BF% of less than 10%, and weighs 70kg, he's gonna look like an African rhino. However if a guy is 6'3" and weighs 70kg, he might just look like your average Joe.

I'm quite short, so that takes my weight down, and also as I've said I've lost 14kg, so that takes my weight down again. So that leaves a pretty small number. There's nothing to be gained from people knowing that number, it will just serve as a false indicator.

But of course that's just my opinion. I welcome you to make an argument as to why my weight is important.

[KimboHalfSlice]

what was the point in creating this thread then?

I can only get Tren A and Test P from a dealer, I can't get it from a reputable pharmacy.

I can get Anavar from a pharmacy. All I need is a prescription. I can get prescriptions.

[stevey_6t9]

so far you've only given us your age, and how you've lost all this weight in thailand, and now expect us to answer all your questions?

[terraj]

Why would you be running 2 grams a week on your second cycle?

You have lost all this weight and are below what you believe to be a good body weight for your height to be cycling, this tells me that you have had no rebound from muscle memory from your down time, therefore you had no base to build on, therefore you should not be cycling....just MO

[BJJ]

Why would you be running 2 grams a week on your second cycle?

You have lost all this weight and are below what you believe to be a good body weight for your height to be cycling, this tells me that you have had no rebound from muscle memory from your down time, therefore you had no base to build on, therefore you should not be cycling....just MO

Agreed