Hcg!!!!

[mg0922]

I am so torn about HCG. Some of the content i read has led me to believe is it not necessarily needed during a cycle. But on what ive read about it, it sems to do alot of very important things to your body while on AAS. Anyone wanna put my mind at ease and tell me somthing i need to learn or hear about it. If i need to take it during my cycle i will. I want my test to recover fast when im done ,so i get max KEPT gains. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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thx

mg

[onehundredk]

Take it during your cycle and for PCT at 500 to 1000iu weekly. good luck

[Matt]

^^^ Its not recomended for pct....

[onehundredk]

^^^ Its not recomended for pct....

Can you elaborate on this?

[Matt]

Yes..

HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

[onehundredk]

Sorry to have to disagree with you matt, But ive seen HCG at 500iu weekly during a cycle and running HCG for PCT for 2 to 3 weeks at 250iu daily. Remember you will still need clomid and nolvadex (or other form) while on HCG. HCG is not a one hit wonder.

[Matt]

As you can see and studies prove hcg during pct can cause further inhibition to ones hpta, i think the practice of using hcg during pct is old school...

[mg0922]

thx alot. I already have the nolva and clomid. Im not starting anything for a while! im educating myself on all i need to know. Does hcg stop you from producing gains during the cycle? Or will it help gains?

thx

MG

[Matt]

Shouldn't effect gains either way during cycle, but put you in a better position to bounce back once your cycle is finished...

[onehundredk]

As you can see and studies prove hcg during pct can cause further inhibition to ones hpta, i think the practice of using hcg during pct is old school...

Which I too agree with you here. But remember. Using HCG for the first 2 weeks of PCT to bring up your levels while on clomid and nolvadex (persay) shows great results in ones PCT. I just wanted to add this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...onadatropin%29 for the main reason I had to double check that im not losing my mind. the 4th paragraph goes into PCT.

[mg0922]

Also would AR_R carry something comparable to that?

[Matt]

^^^ Yeah ive read that bro, was a good article 5 years ago

[onehundredk]

So then Im outdated with my HCG info. I appologize

[Matt]

I think we need that profile updating, Swifto is the man when it comes to hcg and has a great thread about its use, i might get him to update that link...

[Userat204]

Yeah an update would be good because I always followed swifto's pct. I do have to say it worked well for me. I now started using on cycle( started 7 weeks into current). I should have started at the beginning since I always have all pct on hand before starting, but I still have to say swifto's pct worked outdated or not, but I do know it's not the only way. I would say definately use during.

[BOBfromfightclub]

I was planning on hitting HCG 500iu's the first 5 days of my pct.

MY PCT

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
HCG 500iu's F5D
Aromasin 25mg F5D

I thought the HCG would help bring my natty test surge then run the Nolvadex to restore it. Ive read not to run HCG as a PCT unless you run nolvadex with and 2 week following HCG stoppage.

Should I drop the HCG?

I havent seen swifto in a minute either. he alive?

[BOBfromfightclub]

Which I too agree with you here. But remember. Using HCG for the first 2 weeks of PCT to bring up your levels while on clomid and nolvadex (persay) shows great results in ones PCT. I just wanted to add this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...onadatropin%29 for the main reason I had to double check that im not losing my mind. the 4th paragraph goes into PCT.

And this is were I was getting my HCG usage from. If its out of date i think it should be removed so people dont f them selves up