Yellow Eyes

[Brewster]

Saw a buddy of mine @ the gym yesterday. he has been on a cycle for 6 weeks and his eyes have a bit of a yellow tinge to them.

I told him to see a doctor, He said I always worry to much... Ex. Apparently I am a pvssy for running Adex with my last cycle.... "Real bodybuilders dont use that stuff, it messes up their gains."

Anyone ever have yellow eyes before? I know its prob liver related

[MBMETC]

sounds almost like a jundis or glucomo ( i can't spell for shit ) type issue, whats his cycle?

[calstate23]

Saw a buddy of mine @ the gym yesterday. he has been on a cycle for 6 weeks and his eyes have a bit of a yellow tinge to them.

I told him to see a doctor, He said I always worry to much... Ex. Apparently I am a pvssy for running Adex with my last cycle.... "Real bodybuilders dont use that stuff, it messes up their gains."

Anyone ever have yellow eyes before? I know its prob liver related

Yeah, it called symptoms and signs of jaundice. A sign that there is damage being done to the liver. Ask him if he gets any nose bleeds yet, another sign that there is damage being done to the liver. And if the liver is already starting to take some toll and he is still abusing it he is kicking it while its down. Not very smart.

Maybe he likes liver failure? Because if he keeps it up enough that is what will happen. He's probably taking some f*cked up sh!t too. Let me guess, he's probably taking some hard on the liver pills like (winny or d-bol) and is probably taking way too much and for way too long. Probably been running d-bol for those 6 weeks and plans on running it 10 weeks or something ha ha.

Do you know what he is taking?

[Bonaparte]

Like the others have said, it def sounds like Jaundice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaundice

He probably has a clogged bile duct and is basically going into liver failure and being poisoned. If he is too much of an idiot to go to the ER and make up some story about alcohol and NSAIDs, he should at least stop using the orals immediately and megadose the hell out of some liver supports (NAC, Milk thistles, LIV 52, and anything else he can get his hands on). If he goes to the doctor/hospital, they could prescribe him Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA), which would be the best thing for him.

[gymnerd]

Id like to know what hes on? How pronounced nis the yellowness? I had a buddy who used to do dbol anadrol whatever he could get and drink HEAVY. I seen his eyes get yellow its pretty strange looking.

[Brewster]

He was doing 60mg a day of dbol and Test and Deca.. I dont know his test doses

I think he did Dbol for 5 weeks.. he should be off now.

It was just weird to look at. He didnt care much..
I will go buy the retard some liver support.. If its free He'll use it.

[gymnerd]

He was doing 60mg a day of dbol and Test and Deca.. I dont know his test doses

I think he did Dbol for 5 weeks.. he should be off now.

It was just weird to look at. He didnt care much..
I will go buy the retard some liver support.. If its free He'll use it.

LOL your a good freind, and he does sound like a retard haha

[Bonaparte]

That's it?
Sounds like there is more to this story. Is he also drinking his face off regularly?

[Brewster]

I have seen him drink.. but never in excess. My guess is 5-10 beers a week....

Im also curious b/c we homebrewed our gear together. ( I havent started taking mine yet. Its sitting in my sock drawer)
We brewed Dbol 20 mg a pill
Test E 250 mg/ml
Deca 200 mg/ml
Arom 12.5 mg a pill


and yes, this is my friend not me.. lol

[crionics]

I wish more ppl would be responsible with their usage...Steroids willnever be legal.

[Bonaparte]

Double post.

[TheMemoryRemains]

Wow....

You mentioned hes off now, all in time to see if the pigment comes back or not.

If not, time to see the doc.

[calstate23]

He was doing 60mg a day of dbol and Test and Deca.. I dont know his test doses

I think he did Dbol for 5 weeks.. he should be off now.

It was just weird to look at. He didnt care much..
I will go buy the retard some liver support.. If its free He'll use it.

I knew it. Call me a genius?? Just messin. 60mg is actually a VERY high dose for d-bol. 50mg should be max especially if you're going to take it more then 4 weeks. 6 weeks should be the longest you go on d-bol but with that length I would do a lower dose like 35-40 mg. He probably did 60mg for 6 weeks straight. I guarantee its from the d-bol. First thing he needs to do is automatically get off the d-bol (which I bet he probably is still taking).

A lot of guys who don't know what they're doing end up doing this. They don't know how hard d-bol is on the liver and take way too much mg and for way too long.

Why do I have the feeling this will be the guy that ends up fat and with bitch tits after his cycle.

[calstate23]

I have seen him drink.. but never in excess. My guess is 5-10 beers a week....

Im also curious b/c we homebrewed our gear together. ( I havent started taking mine yet. Its sitting in my sock drawer)
We brewed Dbol 20 mg a pill
Test E 250 mg/ml
Deca 200 mg/ml
Arom 12.5 mg a pill


and yes, this is my friend not me.. lol

Dude, do not even come close to touching that stuff. First off, you are not a chemist. Since you brewed in yourself you have no idea what the true mg is even if you think you do. You could be taking what you think is a 20 mg pill and it might really be 40 mg. Also, its a great way to get infections. Steroids need to be perfectly sterile. Do you like shooting poison into your body? I seriously wouldn't touch it. I mean, look at your buddy.

[Bonaparte]

Dude, do not even come close to touching that stuff. First off, you are not a chemist. Since you brewed in yourself you have no idea what the true mg is even if you think you do. You could be taking what you think is a 20 mg pill and it might really be 40 mg. Also, its a great way to get infections. Steroids need to be perfectly sterile. Do you like shooting poison into your body? I seriously wouldn't touch it. I mean, look at your buddy.

Complete and utter BS.
Homebrewing is far safer than just anything short of getting it straight from the pharmacy (assuming you aren't retarded and can do basic math and run everything through a .2um filter).

Oh, and 60mg of Dbol is far from unheard of and it isn't even nearly as toxic as you're making it sound. Plenty of guys have run it practically year-round because their liver enzyme tests came back fine. I have a buddy who just ran 50mg/day for 8 weeks then got his blood tested like 2 weeks after coming off and his liver values were fine.

[Brewster]

Hey Calstate,

I enjoy your comments. He;s actually not the type to end up fat with butch tits. It could just be blind luck though. He is in really, really good shape. Id say 215 @ 8% BF 5'10. Kinda has the same build as you..

I doubt the gear we brewed is poison.... We have done it in the past.. I can not express how accurate our measurments were. And probly more sterile then most UGL's.


Thanks for the back up Bonapart..

[calstate23]

Complete and utter BS.
Homebrewing is far safer than just anything short of getting it straight from the pharmacy (assuming you aren't retarded and can do basic math and run everything through a .2um filter).

Oh, and 60mg of Dbol is far from unheard of and it isn't even nearly as toxic as you're making it sound. Plenty of guys have run it practically year-round because their liver enzyme tests came back fine. I have a buddy who just ran 50mg/day for 8 weeks then got his blood tested like 2 weeks after coming off and his liver values were fine.

Safer assuming you have no idea where your gear came from. I'm talking about human grade legit sh*t. Maybe safer also as in you know whats in it, but its hard to make sure its sterile enough for use. I had an idiot friend who tried the same thing. Got a massive abscess from it that was really infected. Guy was actually in the hospital for a few days.

Besides, just like you don't know if the steroids you got are legit, you also aren't going to know if the mixes you got are legit too. It could be mixed with a bunch of sh*t you have no idea. Also, if you do your measuring right thats great, but again the mixtures themselves may have wrong mg doses so therefore it could be very inaccurate. Right, kind of like if you read a label and it says 100 calories per serving...But what if the labels are wrong? You can't trust that sh*t you use to make it either.

As for the 60mg, yeah it can be done, I've done it but its pushing it. Thats fine if your buddy ran 60 mg 8 weeks but that is REALLY pushing it and I don't think any would disagree with that. I've pushed it myself knowingly but I would not do it that often. And for the guys that run it all year long they are definitely NOT taking 60mg. They are taking anywhere between 10-20 mg for maintenance and thats it.

[Far from massive]

One other thing, he could very easily have Hepatitis B which manifests with yellow eye or some other type of blood born disease.

Also I forget which of the chems ( I can't remeber if its a serm/AI/ maybe S-3/S-4?) causes yellow eye tinging, I know I have read about it on the board but can't recall which it was...come-on Bonaparte I know you can help me out here..

PS agree 100% on the home brewing being ok if you know basic math and have basic common sense...Buuutteee.. after seeing a lot of the posts in the chem section many many of the people often forget to carry the decimal place or have no idea on how to mix powders of various densities or grain sizes to keep the heavy or course stuff from congregating.

[Brewster]

Safer assuming you have no idea where your gear came from. I'm talking about human grade legit sh*t. Maybe safer also as in you know whats in it, but its hard to make sure its sterile enough for use. I had an idiot friend who tried the same thing. Got a massive abscess from it that was really infected. Guy was actually in the hospital for a few days.

Besides, just like you don't know if the steroids you got are legit, you also aren't going to know if the mixes you got are legit too. It could be mixed with a bunch of sh*t you have no idea. Also, if you do your measuring right thats great, but again the mixtures themselves may have wrong mg doses so therefore it could be very inaccurate. Right, kind of like if you read a label and it says 100 calories per serving...But what if the labels are wrong? You can't trust that sh*t you use to make it either.

As for the 60mg, yeah it can be done, I've done it but its pushing it. Thats fine if your buddy ran 60 mg 8 weeks but that is REALLY pushing it and I don't think any would disagree with that. I've pushed it myself knowingly but I would not do it that often. And for the guys that run it all year long they are definitely NOT taking 60mg. They are taking anywhere between 10-20 mg for maintenance and thats it.

I did not want to get into a brewing debate. But If you brewed you would understand

[Bonaparte]

Safer assuming you have no idea where your gear came from. I'm talking about human grade legit sh*t. Maybe safer also as in you know whats in it, but its hard to make sure its sterile enough for use. I had an idiot friend who tried the same thing. Got a massive abscess from it that was really infected. Guy was actually in the hospital for a few days.

Even HG stuff you buy over the internet could be fake, in which case it will be just like any UGL gear, if not worse (but probably worse, since they don't have to worry about upholding a rep).

Besides, just like you don't know if the steroids you got are legit, you also aren't going to know if the mixes you got are legit too. It could be mixed with a bunch of sh*t you have no idea. Also, if you do your measuring right thats great, but again the mixtures themselves may have wrong mg doses so therefore it could be very inaccurate. Right, kind of like if you read a label and it says 100 calories per serving...But what if the labels are wrong? You can't trust that sh*t you use to make it either.

Checking the legitimacy of a powder is pretty easy if you know what properties to look for. Sure, it may have trace contaminants, but so does everything else you eat or drink. And you weigh it all out when you brew, so the dosing is going to be accurate to within a percent or two, assuming your math is good (most of the impurities in raw materials are just water).

As for the 60mg, yeah it can be done, I've done it but its pushing it. Thats fine if your buddy ran 60 mg 8 weeks but that is REALLY pushing it and I don't think any would disagree with that. I've pushed it myself knowingly but I would not do it that often. And for the guys that run it all year long they are definitely NOT taking 60mg. They are taking anywhere between 10-20 mg for maintenance and thats it.

Answers in red.

[Sfla80]

One other thing, he could very easily have Hepatitis B which manifests with yellow eye or some other type of blood born disease.

Also I forget which of the chems ( I can't remeber if its a serm/AI/ maybe S-3/S-4?) causes yellow eye tinging, I know I have read about it on the board but can't recall which it was...come-on Bonaparte I know you can help me out here..

PS agree 100% on the home brewing being ok if you know basic math and have basic common sense...Buuutteee.. after seeing a lot of the posts in the chem section many many of the people often forget to carry the decimal place or have no idea on how to mix powders of various densities or grain sizes to keep the heavy or course stuff from congregating.

I know s-4 from ar-r causes a yellowish tint in your eyes but as far as you are actual seeing through a yellowish tint, i dont think it makes yours eyes actual yellow. Look up i believe his name was "okinawa-power" Or something to that nature....he had a log of a s-4 and a spawn clone going. He said he was seeing yellow during thats cycle.

[Bonaparte]

I know s-4 from ar-r causes a yellowish tint in your eyes but as far as you are actual seeing through a yellowish tint, i dont think it makes yours eyes actual yellow. Look up i believe his name was "okinawa-power" Or something to that nature....he had a log of a s-4 and a spawn clone going. He said he was seeing yellow during thats cycle.

This.

[calstate23]

I know s-4 from ar-r causes a yellowish tint in your eyes but as far as you are actual seeing through a yellowish tint, i dont think it makes yours eyes actual yellow. Look up i believe his name was "okinawa-power" Or something to that nature....he had a log of a s-4 and a spawn clone going. He said he was seeing yellow during thats cycle.

The yellowing of the eyes is symptoms of jaundice, although there is a wide variety or illnesses and diseases that can cause jaundice. But in this case I'm sure he didn't just start his cycle and all of a sudden he starts getting symptoms from a random disease. its obviously from the steroid use which means he is hurting his liver.

[calstate23]

Answers in red.

Again though how do you know the strength of the powder??? That can never be 100% accurate. The strengths could be all wrong. For instance 1 g powder equals how many mg?? You could easily be making a pill that is supposedly a 20 mg pill but powder is much more stronger and has a much higher concentrate then what is supposedly labeled. You could really be making a 40mg, 60 mg, who the hell knows. You cannot claim you would ever know the right mg's which is why I think its stupid. Cycle's should be off of knowing EXACTLY what you are taking, not GUESSING.

Just find a dirty doc, thats what I got and I get all pharmaceutical grade. Believe me, there are a ton of them out there.

[Bonaparte]

Again though how do you know the strength of the powder??? That can never be 100% accurate. The strengths could be all wrong. For instance 1 g powder equals how many mg?? You could easily be making a pill that is supposedly a 20 mg pill but powder is much more stronger and has a much higher concentrate then what is supposedly labeled. You could really be making a 40mg, 60 mg, who the hell knows. You cannot claim you would ever know the right mg's which is why I think its stupid. Cycle's should be off of knowing EXACTLY what you are taking, not GUESSING.

Just find a dirty doc, thats what I got and I get all pharmaceutical grade. Believe me, there are a ton of them out there.

What are you talking about? The powder is always full strength (except for the common 1-3% of impurities, which, as I already mentioned, is mostly water). 1g of powder always equals 1,000mg. This is just straight powder we're starting out with, not some blend.

[Brewster]

Again though how do you know the strength of the powder??? That can never be 100% accurate. The strengths could be all wrong. For instance 1 g powder equals how many mg?? You could easily be making a pill that is supposedly a 20 mg pill but powder is much more stronger and has a much higher concentrate then what is supposedly labeled. You could really be making a 40mg, 60 mg, who the hell knows. You cannot claim you would ever know the right mg's which is why I think its stupid. Cycle's should be off of knowing EXACTLY what you are taking, not GUESSING.

Just find a dirty doc, thats what I got and I get all pharmaceutical grade. Believe me, there are a ton of them out there.

No offence bro,
Just stop your argument because you are just showing how little you kno with each post

[Far from massive]

Common Calstate if you don't know milli is 10 to the 3rd by the end of grade school you will have plenty more to worry about than homebrewing LOL, as far as higher concentrations on MG's are you saying you might get powder thats too pure? I agree that dosing of products that need to be measured in micrograms or picograms where the ratio of carrier powder/cut to active ingredient can be a thousand to one or greater can be very difficult but when you are trying to put 20 mg in a pill or capsule with a 3/1 to 10/1 mix its not all that difficult.

As far as the cause of the yellow eyes being steroids...I agree that's certainly the most likely cause. I just don't think we should disregard other causes, although Hep B typically has an incubation period of several months it can then manifest quite rapidly and since its manifestation is months removed from the needle stick or other route of transmission (anal sex with a Nigerian hooker) it is often overlooked as resulting from unsafe injection practices when frequently that is the cause.

FFM

[calstate23]

What are you talking about? The powder is always full strength (except for the common 1-3% of impurities, which, as I already mentioned, is mostly water). 1g of powder always equals 1,000mg. This is just straight powder we're starting out with, not some blend.

What are you talking about? I made it pretty clear. That 1 g of powder that equals "1,000mg". There is no PROOF that that 1 g is 1,000mg. How the fu*k would you know if that is correct? You can't, plain and simple.

[calstate23]

Common Calstate if you don't know milli is 10 to the 3rd by the end of grade school you will have plenty more to worry about than homebrewing LOL, as far as higher concentrations on MG's are you saying you might get powder thats too pure? I agree that dosing of products that need to be measured in micrograms or picograms where the ratio of carrier powder/cut to active ingredient can be a thousand to one or greater can be very difficult but when you are trying to put 20 mg in a pill or capsule with a 3/1 to 10/1 mix its not all that difficult.

As far as the cause of the yellow eyes being steroids...I agree that's certainly the most likely cause. I just don't think we should disregard other causes, although Hep B typically has an incubation period of several months it can then manifest quite rapidly and since its manifestation is months removed from the needle stick or other route of transmission (anal sex with a Nigerian hooker) it is often overlooked as resulting from unsafe injection practices when frequently that is the cause.

FFM

Apparently you guys aren't understanding here. I made it pretty clear. That 1 g of powder that equals "1,000mg". There is no PROOF that that 1 g is 1,000mg. How the fu*k would you know if that is correct? You can't, plain and simple.

[Far from massive]

So one gram could contain 3000mgs of the compound in question....I mean if you were saying it could be underdosed that would be different.

[calstate23]

No offence bro,
Just stop your argument because you are just showing how little you kno with each post

No offense either bro, but like I tell everyone who thinks they know more then me. Look at my picture and then look at yourself. Believe me, I've been around. I've seen people do it yes and it works. I've also seen people do it and seriously hurt themselves.

Its plain and simple, you are buying the powder correct? There is no way of knowing that 1 g truly equals 1,000 mg. Its impossible. And its also impossible to know if what you are buying is truly the right substance. So please don't say I don't know what I am talking about because you and no can ever prove any of the powders is truly accurate. So actually I am very very correct.

[calstate23]

So one gram could contain 3000mgs of the compound in question....I mean if you were saying it could be underdosed that would be different.

Yes, finally someone understands what I am trying to say here. There is no way in hell you would ever be able to know the true mg dosage. NO WAY! All you are doing is assuming its correct, which probably isn't. Which is also probably why your buddy has jaundice and I don't

[Bonaparte]

What are you talking about? I made it pretty clear. That 1 g of powder that equals "1,000mg". There is no PROOF that that 1 g is 1,000mg. How the fu*k would you know if that is correct? You can't, plain and simple.

Dude...you're not helping your case here.
1g is always 1000mg. If you want to argue that it may be impure and that of that 1000mg, only some portion of it is actual hormone, ok. But nobody is cutting hormone powders with anything. It would be obvious, since each powder has its own distinctive characteristics, and it would throw off a melting point test. Besides, this isn't a vluable rec drug, its just test or whatever. There would be little financial incentive in doing so, since the powders don't cost shit to produce and (most importantly), there is no middleman between China and the US who could turn a large profit by cutting anything down (as you would have in the case of a domestic UGL or a middleman the rec drug trade).

[Brewster]

No offense either bro, but like I tell everyone who thinks they know more then me. Look at my picture and then look at yourself. Believe me, I've been around. I've seen people do it yes and it works. I've also seen people do it and seriously hurt themselves.

Its plain and simple, you are buying the powder correct? There is no way of knowing that 1 g truly equals 1,000 mg. Its impossible. And its also impossible to know if what you are buying is truly the right substance. So please don't say I don't know what I am talking about because you and no can ever prove any of the powders is truly accurate. So actually I am very very correct.

I congradulate you on a great physique, There is no doubt in my mind you can correctly read a label and inject

However,
When it comes to homebrewing. 1g will matamatically always equal 1,000 MG. It will truly always equal that.
Also,
Where do you think pharma companies get the powders they use?

[Brewster]

Yes, finally someone understands what I am trying to say here. There is no way in hell you would ever be able to know the true mg dosage. NO WAY! All you are doing is assuming its correct, which probably isn't. Which is also probably why your buddy has jaundice and I don't

When you cut something, it becomes underdosed. Not OVERDOSED...... AND YOU CANNOT OVERDOSE A POWDER THAT IS PURE

[Far from massive]

Sure you can all you gotta do is have access to a lab and have the purity and concentration quantified, and as stated as far as a gram of powder containing more than a 1000mg's I have no plans of rewriting the physics books so I will assume that my powders are not concentrated past 100%...

As far as your picture proving you knowlege of chemistry or AAS is greater than someone elses, so the guy who gets the gold medal knows more about sports physiology than the guy who coaches?

[Matt]

No offense either bro, but like I tell everyone who thinks they know more then me. Look at my picture and then look at yourself. Believe me, I've been around. I've seen people do it yes and it works. I've also seen people do it and seriously hurt themselves.

Its plain and simple, you are buying the powder correct? There is no way of knowing that 1 g truly equals 1,000 mg. Its impossible. And its also impossible to know if what you are buying is truly the right substance. So please don't say I don't know what I am talking about because you and no can ever prove any of the powders is truly accurate. So actually I am very very correct.

First off lets keep this debate clean from any flaming, we often don't all agree and have different opinions on certain issues so lets continue in an adult way...

Second, whilst i agree making your own gear is imo safer than buying ugl, at least you know you've made it clean and correct. Theres still the issue about the legitimacy of your source, most powders come out of China and lord they make or copy some real rubbish as ive found myself. I therefore believe calsate has some very good points....

Jmho....

[Far from massive]

First off lets keep this debate clean from any flaming, we often don't all agree and have different opinions on certain issues so lets continue in an adult way...

Second, whilst i agree making your own gear is imo safer than buying ugl, at least you know you've made it clean and correct. Theres still the issue about the legitimacy of your source, most powders come out of China and lord they make or copy some really rubbish as ive found myself. I therefore believe calsate has so very good points....

Jmho....



Me too I just think that his comments that seem to point to powder being stronger than 100% are wrong, as is the logic that if you look better than someone else you know more about AAS.

My apologies if I have stepped on any toes, Your (Matt'a) point is valid and I will stop this debate before I add to its degredation.

[Brewster]

First off lets keep this debate clean from any flaming, we often don't all agree and have different opinions on certain issues so lets continue in an adult way...

Second, whilst i agree making your own gear is imo safer than buying ugl, at least you know you've made it clean and correct. Theres still the issue about the legitimacy of your source, most powders come out of China and lord they make or copy some real rubbish as ive found myself. I therefore believe calsate has so very good points....

Jmho....

I completly agree with the bolded statement.

There is nothing wrong with this point and this point alone

[calstate23]

I congradulate you on a great physique, There is no doubt in my mind you can correctly read a label and inject

However,
When it comes to homebrewing. 1g will matamatically always equal 1,000 MG. It will truly always equal that.
Also,
Where do you think pharma companies get the powders they use?

Dude, my only point here is that you are not a chemist. You did not create the powder yourself. You have no fu*king clue whats in the powder. This statement saying "ITS ALWAYS 1000MG" is BS because you can't even prove what you have! This is hormones, not fu*cking table sugar. A teaspoon of hormone isn't always going to be 1000mg because guess what? You don't know what hormone you are actually getting. Therefore, it could be more or less.

Go ahead, just keep injecting your homebrew. You will be the one that will suffer regardless. But if you are brewing your own steroids and you don't even know what jaundice is and the symptoms you probably shouldn't using steroids at all