Protecting your neurons on cycle

[iCookie]

So as some of you may know, increased level of testosterone kills braincells and estrogen protects braincells.

This is definitly a big problem with steroids imo, and I'm wondering what you all take to protect your brains?

I read a bit about nootropics, especially something called Racetams (piracetam for example). There are probably several hundreds of studies done on this, that show it can protect the brain from dangerous chemicals etc.

But the question is, does it protect from testosterone? Or are there any other nootropics/etc. I should look into instead?

[KAEW44]

So as we all know

Actually i never heard that testosterone in any way "kills" anything, can u post a link to the source for this?

[Matt]

Jumping up and down on the spot kills brain cells....

[iCookie]

???

I thought it was common knowledge :P Come on guys, you serious? There are dozens of studies on this, look em up on google...It's all over the place.

[Bonaparte]

WTF? Could you provide some evidence for this "common fact"?
The closest thing I've heard to this is that high levels of testosterone while a baby is developing in the womb will increase his chances for a learning disorder. This is why learning disorders are much more common among males.

Edit: did a google search and came up with this BS:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/52813.php

So the only "proof" is 1 in vitro study (the Yale one) showing that high doses of testosterone squirted directly onto nerve cells in culture caused them to die more rapidly...well that isn't exactly grounds for any real-world conclusions. You don't know what sort of doses they were using or if the human brain reacts like brain cancer cells in a petri dish.
And that scientist's quote about "Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," deserves a punch to the ****. What a stupid bitch...

[Dont wanna be old]

WTF? Could you provide some evidence for this "common fact"?
The closest thing I've heard to this is that high levels of testosterone while a baby is developing in the womb will increase his chances for a learning disorder. This is why learning disorders are much more common among males.

As dumb as I am I make up with my imagination !

[iCookie]

Is this a joke?

[Bonaparte]

Is this a joke?

No. Are you joking? Who the hell takes a single (obviously biased) in vitro study as conclusive evidence?

[iCookie]

No. Are you joking? Who the hell takes a single (obviously biased) in vitro study as conclusive evidence?

What makes you believe there is only one study on the issue?

[Bonaparte]

What makes you believe there is only one study on the issue?

Because everything I found was about Yale and 2006. Everything else was just some news article referencing that same study. Prove me wrong.

[Matt]

Because everything I found was about Yale and 2006. Everything else was just some news article referencing that same study. Prove me wrong.

And once he digs up some of these so called studies i shall dig up as many studies that prove horse riding or dancing kills as many if not more brain cells....

I think the op is playing so sort of game here....

[iCookie]

Okay let's see, there is a research in the journal of Brain Research, where colonies of brain cells were exposed to various androgens, including testosterone, stanozolol, 19-nortestosterone,and gestrinone.

They found that the AAS did in fact not harm brain cells on it's own. But when added the NMDA receptor was stimulated in the cultures, there was a catastrophic loss of brain cells.

So what happens when when you're on AAS and the NMDA receptors are stimulated? I don't know, but I have a feeling the result isn't pretty.

But none of this was the point of the thread. The point was to discuss nootropics that can protect the neurocells.

[Far from massive]

So by that logic, Albert Einstien was castrated at 8 yrs of age and the moustache was obviously a fake.....

I have known a theoretical physicist who was also an athlete and used test he was by far the smartest person I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, in addition thinking about it the other two really smart people I have known in my life both had evidence of a very high resident level of testosterone...of course my mom was also pretty bright and she did not even have a ....ahh no don't worry, I am not going to say that mom.

This is really an amusing topic...well I gotta go...I am getting ready to pin some test and I always find myself unable to type afterwards.

LMAO,
FFM

[Bonaparte]

Again, in vitro studies are only meant to lay the groundwork for more conclusive in vivo studies. They usually mean **** all on their own, since your brain isn't just a lump of defenseless nerve cells on a petri dish.

Just look up some nootropics and take your pic.
But seriously, you're making mountains out of molehills. If you're so worried about the possible brain-damaging effects of elevated androgen levels, you might as well also wear a helmet 24/7 and not breath the outside air, since the occasional bump to the head and airborne pollutants are surely more damaging than test. Oh, and you're 22, so just do AAS anyway

[iCookie]

Again, in vitro studies are only meant to lay the groundwork for more conclusive in vivo studies. They usually mean **** all on their own, since your brain isn't just a lump of defenseless nerve cells on a petri dish.

Just look up some nootropics and take your pic. They're all about as proven to work as your studies.

I agree in vitro studies aren't the most conclusive ones. But let's look at these:

Physiol. Behav. 1993; 53: 583

The matched analysis further substantiated the association between testosterone secretion and learning disabilities.

Look, I agree there aren't many conclusive studies on this, but so far there is definitely a relevancy between higher testosterone and negative impact on neural tissue. So I just want to be safe in case this is true.

With regards to nootropics, I was talking about racetams. There's hundreds of studies done on these, 2/3 of these are on piracetam. Id definetely works, also towards protecting the brain from chemical "assault" such as that type of chemicals that stimulate the NMDA receptor causing apoptosis.

Not all nootropics are herbal bullshit, believe it or not.

[Bonaparte]

I agree in vitro studies aren't the most conclusive ones. But let's look at these:

Physiol. Behav. 1993; 53: 583


Look, I agree there aren't many conclusive studies on this, but so far there is definitely a relevancy between higher testosterone and negative impact on neural tissue. So I just want to be safe in case this is true.

With regards to nootropics, I was talking about racetams. There's hundreds of studies done on these, 2/3 of these are on piracetam. Id definetely works, also towards protecting the brain from chemical "assault" such as that type of chemicals that stimulate the NMDA receptor causing apoptosis.

Not all nootropics are herbal bullshit, believe it or not.

I'm well aware of that second quote, since I explained it in my original post.
Nootropics are fun (I played with some 2 years ago). And they aren't herbs, they're synthetic chemicals

[iCookie]

I'm well aware of that second quote, since I explained it in my original post.
Nootropics are fun (I played with some 2 years ago). And they aren't herbs, they're synthetic chemicals

Some of them are synthetic yes, but not all of them. Nootropics can be natural herbs too.

Also the study I quoted found a correlation between a childs salivary testosterone and learning abilities, not womb testosterone exposure and learning abilites. Although I'm sure there's a study like that around too.

[Times Roman]

this topic keeps coming back, and is easily searchable...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ls+brain+cells

So, I refute your comment that it is common knowledge that testosterone kills brain cells.

[Times Roman]

I'm well aware of that second quote, since I explained it in my original post.
Nootropics are fun (I played with some 2 years ago). And they aren't herbs, they're synthetic chemicals

Which ones? I tried piracetam for six months and didn't really notice anything. And what I did notice I chalked up to placebo, since I was looking for an effect, I'm thinking the effect found me, very mild as it was.

[iCookie]

For piracetam to work as a cognitive enchanter, there are many things that need to go together as a whole. Low serotonin and aldosterone can influence it's efficiency. High cortisol can affect it. Lack of choline can influence it etc....

I think it's better used as a tool to protect your brain from aging related damage or other damage, rather than a cognitive enchanter. But that's just me...

[Bonaparte]

Which ones? I tried piracetam for six months and didn't really notice anything. And what I did notice I chalked up to placebo, since I was looking for an effect, I'm thinking the effect found me, very mild as it was.

Piracetam is boring. I never got around to trying the more intense racetams.
I mostly like PEA, which has psychoactive stimulant properties in some (it boosts mood and energy). Some respond really well to it, others don't feel shit. It's very hit or miss, but it gave me wings even after a tough training session

[Times Roman]

Piracetam is boring. I never got around to trying the more intense racetams.
I mostly like PEA, which has psychoactive stimulant properties in some (it boosts mood and energy). Some respond really well to it, others don't feel shit. It's very hit or miss, but it gave me wings even after a tough training session

oh sh1t, you know about PEA??? Several years ago, I did a real stupid thing. I injested a small amount nasally, and almost blasted off to the moon. Very very intense. I didn't know it was classified as a nootropic, though.

BTW... for those of you who are thnking wtf???? PEA is the active psychotropic chemical in, you got it, CHOCOLATE!

[Times Roman]

For piracetam to work as a cognitive enchanter, there are many things that need to go together as a whole. Low serotonin and aldosterone can influence it's efficiency. High cortisol can affect it. Lack of choline can influence it etc....

I think it's better used as a tool to protect your brain from aging related damage or other damage, rather than a cognitive enchanter. But that's just me...

to protect the brain, I've been using deprynl. google it if you haven't heard. Life extenders swear by it