Mid cycle Gyno

[Sroids0166]

Looking for a little advice on anti - estrogens.

Im running a cycle of test, tren, and eq. I had gyno before I started the cycle. I've had it since Ive been about 15. Just small lumps behind my puffyish nipples.

It may be my paranoia but I feel like the gyno may be getting worse. I've been trying to search and read up to gain personal experiences and information on anti estrogens but there is a ton if info to gather.

I'm looking for advice on what to start taking during my cycle. I was hoping for something oral, or something to include in my shots I take twice a week.

How much should I take and for how long should I take it?

Thanks

[SlimJoe]

Tamoxifen worst comes to worst surgery

[Sroids0166]

I searched Tamoxifen a bit and also researched Letro a bit.

The only issue is most of the information I find contains abbreviations and nicknames I'm not familiar
with yet.

If I were to start taking Letro during my cycle, what dosage should I take and how often?
Is taking Letro during my cycle going to affect my sex drive or ability to get an erection?

After I finish my Cycle of test/tren/eq and now Letro, What should I start taking for a PCT and
when/how often.

Thanks

[BigDawg44]

First of all I would never recommend running nova ( tamoxifen ) while on cycle, second what dosages are you running? Third look up Arimidex i run it during my cycles to stop estrogen build up letro would work as well, run Arimidex .5mg a day does the job I Personally use 1mg adds a nice little 58% test boost to it, PCT you should know before you even started your cycle, But I'm feeling nice clomid 100/50/50/50 Nova 40/40/20/20 do more research next time

[D7M]

First of all I would never recommend running nova ( tamoxifen ) while on cycle, second what dosages are you running? Third look up Arimidex i run it during my cycles to stop estrogen build up letro would work as well, run Arimidex .5mg a day does the job I Personally use 1mg adds a nice little 58% test boost to it, PCT you should know before you even started your cycle, But I'm feeling nice clomid 100/50/50/50 Nova 40/40/20/20 do more research next time

Why is that?

[Sroids0166]

First of all I would never recommend running nova ( tamoxifen ) while on cycle, second what dosages are you running? Third look up Arimidex i run it during my cycles to stop estrogen build up letro would work as well, run Arimidex .5mg a day does the job I Personally use 1mg adds a nice little 58% test boost to it, PCT you should know before you even started your cycle, But I'm feeling nice clomid 100/50/50/50 Nova 40/40/20/20 do more research next time

Just trying to clear some things up. Like I said I'm new to this. I was just following my buddy's cycle plans but after reading some web sites I decided to ask my own questions and see if there are better sources out there. So I did have PCT plans but I figured I'd do my own research. Unfortunately most searches I do come up with answers telling the poster to do more research.

I work from 655am to 855pm every day on the road so I don't have much time to read all the stickies ppl refer to.

Are you saying you add 58% test to your Armidex or that the extra .5mg of Armidex provides a little bit of a boost of test?

I assume armidex is taken in shot form... everyday. Do i still shoot it on days I take my cycle? A shot a day seems like it might be a pain in the ass.

Can you clerify this for me please:
clomid 100/50/50/50 Nova 40/40/20/20

I assume the numbers are dosages. What dosage and how often? How long would I wait after I finish my cycle to start the Clomid and Nova.
Do I end the armidex when I end my cycle?

I really do appreciate it.

Thanks

[Sroids0166]

I got some reading done. Decided to go with Liquid Clomi and Liquid Tamox

Most posts mention putting 4 weeks towards a PCT. Can I take either of those products longer
If my gyno doesnt subside within the four weeks? Can I start either of them now during the last few weeks of my
cycle?

Do I take both Clomi and Tomax every day? Can I mix both in the same syringe before taking them
orally?

[juliosalsa]

Hey Sroids0166.... what was the outcome of your gyno problem? Did you get rid of it, did it get worse?

[djm6464]

Tamoxifen is a mixed ER agonist/antagonist.

In some tissues, such as the endometrium (uterus), upregulation of the progesterone receptor would be expected, as the endometrium is very sensitive to estrogen. This is where i believe there is confusion.

In other tissues, such as the breast, Tamoxifen is an antagonist (blocks the ER). The progesterone receptor is synthesized in response to estrogen. So when the ER is blocked (in breast tissue), the progesterone receptor will also down regulate. This is what happens in cancer patients and we're no different.

Therefore, Tamoxifen will help reduce gyno even when using Tren or Deca, not make it worse.

Now, Tamoxifen will down regulate the progesterone receptor in breast tissue. Some "guru's" state Tamoxifen will up regulate the progesterone receptor and cause or lead to gyno. By either worsening estrogenic gyno or by itself. They, therefore, assume Tamoxifen CANT be used with Deca or Tren, but this is false.

You can get gyno (it seems) 3 ways. First off, from estrogen. Second, from progesterone alone, or progesterone making estrogenic gyno worse. And finally, from prolactin.

Tamoxifen can be used to treat gyno from either Deca or Tren, whether it be from estrogen or progesterone. BUT Tamoxifen CANNOT treat prolactin induced gyno. But can treat estrogenic gyno or progestenic gyno (if that exists).

Deca and Tren will both elevate PRL (Prolactin) levels (although, again debatable). Therefore, for PRL related sides, such as loss of libido, gyno and lactation (although not only from PRL), Caber, Prami or Dostinex need to be used.

You see, when people use Deca and Tren, they tend to use Testosterone too. So if they experienced gyno, it may be from estrogen, NOT from Deca and Tren and again, thus being OK to use Tamoxifen.

Basically, as progesterone is synthesised in response to estrogen, if you control estrogen, you essentially reduce progesterone sides as well.

[djm6464]

Bump on the results. You may want to look into dht as well, some people have better luck with it regarding gyno, here are some references.

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15. Evaluation of androgen antagonism of estrogen effect by dihydrotestosterone.
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J Steroid Biochem. 1983 Oct;19(4):1513-20.

iv used dht to control estro and prolactin issues on all nor cycles with great success......if you can get your hands on anything from proviron, to masteron, to even a dht pro hormone like androhard...it should help

ai wise adex is good, but in my opinion, aromasin is a better compound being a suicidal inhibiter as well as its positive effects on hdl