HCG for my wife...

[Sicko]

So I havn't been able to find any info on the dosage amount for HCG when using it for diet purposes.My wife wants to go on the HCG diet and since I have access to hcg then I would rather administer the hcg to her myself,rather than pay the big bucks for the Dr. to do it.I already have the 500 cal diet plan for her and the HCG but cant find out the daily IU that is used..or is there a ratio dependant on individuals weight?

[SlimmerMe]

I don't think there is a ratio dependent of the weight because I have seen the docs open up the little fridge and pass out pre-filled syringes to all sizes giving everyone the same protocol.

[Sicko]

Funny how half the time I post a thread about something I find the answer I need...here is a massive manuscript by Dr. Simeon the original and the leading authority on the subject of HCG...Like I said it is massive but what a great read...tons of info!!!

http://hcgdietinfo.com/Dr-ATW-Simeons-Pounds-and-Inches.htm

Ok like I have said before, I am a mental midget when it comes to computers,so the link is not accesable thru my post but still can google it. It is well worth the time to check it out...

[Sicko]

I don't think there is a ratio dependent of the weight because I have seen the docs open up the little fridge and pass out pre-filled syringes to all sizes giving everyone the same protocol.

you are correct as I recently discovered by thumbing thru Dr.Simeons manuscript...

[scotty51312]

HCG diets IMO are crap. You put anyone on a 500cal/day diet and have them work out they'll lose weight. There are a few girls I've seen personally go to the sports MD clinic in my gym and get on the HCG plans and yes they lost weight, but as soon as they came off and went back to maintenance calories they gained it all back. Eating that little for a prolonged period of time is going to slow anyones metabolism. IMO its a waste of time, but keep us posted I'd like to see someone get results and keep results and prove me wrong

[Swifto]

There is no such thing as the "HCG Diet". Its utter garbage and there are studies comparing HCG with sterile saline injections on the same diet(s) and there is no advantage to taking HCG. I have posted 1-2 here.

Please do a search.

Dr. Simeon is probably some marketing fallacy or an idiot putting "Dr" in front of his name for credibility and recognition.

User's lose weight because of the massive calorie deficit. HCG does have no lypolitic effect at all.

[Sicko]

HCG diets IMO are crap. You put anyone on a 500cal/day diet and have them work out they'll lose weight. There are a few girls I've seen personally go to the sports MD clinic in my gym and get on the HCG plans and yes they lost weight, but as soon as they came off and went back to maintenance calories they gained it all back. Eating that little for a prolonged period of time is going to slow anyones metabolism. IMO its a waste of time, but keep us posted I'd like to see someone get results and keep results and prove me wrong

I personally know two people who have gone on the diet and have had great results,AND have kept the weight off for over a year now.One lost 60 lbs running the diet twice once for 28 days and once for 30 days.The other person lost 38 lbs in 40 days.If my wife decides she wants to commit to this diet I will dedinetly post up progress and final results.

There is no such thing as the "HCG Diet". Its utter garbage and there are studies comparing HCG with sterile saline injections on the same diet(s) and there is no advantage to taking HCG. I have posted 1-2 here. opinion not fact

Please do a search. That is exactly what I did

Dr. Simeon is probably some marketing fallacy or an idiot putting "Dr" in front of his name for credibility and recognition.
Actually he was a real Dr. who graduated summa cum laude and was awarded many prestigeous awards for his research and discoveries.This is a Dr who made these discoveries long before bodbuilding even was a sport.I respect your opinion Swifto but I would have to ask you to do a search.
They call it he Simeon diet only because he was the one that discovered its origin and purposes in the female body during pregnancy,and how it was able to be extracted and used in its purest form for different objectives.If you care to check out the history of hcg and Dr.simeon you will find everything that you and everyone in the bodbuilding world knows today is based upon his findings,,It is a REALLY long manuscript but extremely informative.

User's lose weight because of the massive calorie deficit. HCG does have no lypolitic effect at all.

I disagree The reason for the low calorie intake is to allow the body to utilize the fat that your body is releasing for energy, aka, burning fat with the daily use of hcg at levels between 125-175iu..

[Swifto]

I personally know two people who have gone on the diet and have had great results,AND have kept the weight off for over a year now.One lost 60 lbs running the diet twice once for 28 days and once for 30 days.The other person lost 38 lbs in 40 days.If my wife decides she wants to commit to this diet I will dedinetly post up progress and final results.



I disagree The reason for the low calorie intake is to allow the body to utilize the fat that your body is releasing for energy, aka, burning fat with the daily use of hcg at levels between 125-175iu..

Ok...

Lets see some studies posted here that show HCG reduces bodyfat.

It seems the data your about to post (seeing as "these discoveries were done before bodybuilding was a sport" are going to be outdated. But lets see them anyway.

The reason for the calorie deficit is to LOSE bodyfat because HCG has NO lypolitic effect at all and the most recent data confirms this.

[Swifto]

Ineffectiveness of HCG in weight reduction - A double blind study. (1975)

"There was no statistically significant difference in the means
of the two groups in number of injections received, weight loss, percent of weight loss, hip and waist
circumference, weight loss per injection, or in hunger ratings. HCG does not appear to enhance the
effectiveness of a rigidly imposed regimen for weight reduction."

http://www.ajcn.org/content/29/9/940.full.pdf

Dr. A.T.W. Simeons was told in 1976 to stop promoting his "HCG Diet" programs as effective for weight loss, safe or FDA approved.

Kevin Trudeau then came along in 2007 and and wrote a book about the "HCG Diet" and ended up having to pay around $37m for misrepresentation.

The Federal Trade Commission has also accused Mr. Trudeau of allegedly promoting unproven pain relievers, cancer cures and other products and in 2004 was banned by the FTC from appearing in anymore infomercials.

He's nothing more than a conman and has written books, on wealth creatin, cancer cures, nature remedies, etc...

[Swifto]

S Afr Med J. 1990 Feb 17;77(4):185-9.

Human chorionic gonadotrophin and weight loss. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

Bosch B, Venter I, Stewart RI, Bertram SR.

Department of Medical Physiology and Biochemistry, University of Stellenbosch, Parowvallei, CP.
Abstract
Low-dose human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) combined with a severe diet remains a popular treatment for obesity, despite equivocal evidence of its effectiveness. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, the effects of HCG on weight loss were compared with placebo injections. Forty obese women (body mass index greater than 30 kg/m2) were placed on the same diet supplying 5,000 kJ per day and received daily intramuscular injections of saline or HCG, 6 days a week for 6 weeks. A psychological profile, hunger level, body circumferences, a fasting blood sample and food records were obtained at the start and end of the study, while body weight was measured weekly. Subjects receiving HCG injections showed no advantages over those on placebo in respect of any of the variables recorded. Furthermore, weight loss on our diet was similar to that on severely restricted intake. We conclude that there is no rationale for the use of HCG injections in the treatment of obesity.

PMID: 2405506 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Swifto]

Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1995 Sep;40(3):237-43.

The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis.

Lijesen GK, Theeuwen I, Assendelft WJ, Van Der Wal G.

Institute for Research in Extramural Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
Abstract
1. A meta-analysis was conducted to assess if there is scientific ground for the use of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) as adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity. 2. Published papers relating to eight controlled and 16 uncontrolled trials that measured the effect of HCG in the treatment of obesity were traced by computer-aided search and citation tracking. 3. The trials were scored for the quality of the methods (based on four main categories: study population, interventions, measurement of effect, and data presentation and analysis) and the main conclusion of author(s) with regard to weight-loss, fat-redistribution, hunger, and feeling of well-being. 4. Methodological scores ranged from 16 to 73 points (maximum score 100), suggesting that most studies were of poor methodological quality. Of the 12 studies scoring 50 or more points, one reported that HCG was a useful adjunct. The studies scoring 50 or more points were all controlled. 5. We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG is effective in the treatment of obesity; it does not bring about weight-loss of fat-redistribution, nor does it reduce hunger or induce a feeling of well-being.

PMID: 8527285 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]PMCID: PMC1365103

[Swifto]

West J Med. 1977 December; 127(6): 461–463.
PMCID: PMC1237915

Copyright notice

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the Treatment of Obesity
A Critical Assessment of the Simeons Method


Frank L. Greenway, MD and George A. Bray, MD
Clinical Research Center, and the Department of Medicine, Harbor General Hospital, Torrance
University of California, Los Angeles, School of Medicine.
This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.
Abstract

Injections of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) have been claimed to aid in weight reduction by reducing hunger, and affecting mood as well as aiding in localized (spot) reduction. We have tested these claims in a double-blind randomized trial using injections of HCG or placebo. Weight loss was identical between the two groups, and there was no evidence for differential effects on hunger, mood or localized body measurements. Placebo injections, therefore, appear to be as effective as HCG in the treatment of obesity.

[Swifto]

I dont know where you have done your "research" mate...

[Sicko]

Well all I can say Swifto is that there are many ways to skin a cat...In other words if you want to look at the negative reports and believe those you may..If you want to look at the positive reports and believe them you may..I have tried several times to post links and have been unsuccessful in doing so.I will however copy a few of the paragraphs from different studies I found stating the opposite of what you have found.The bottom line IMO is that there is "conclusive" studies going both ways if you search for them both,not just look for ones using searches like- hcg diet fake- or whatever negative search adjective used.Search -hcg blind studies- and you will see studies in detail professing positive fat loss in conjunction with hcg injections.I have seen your determination in winning debates with members here, and in no way want to engage in such a war with you.I do not claim to be more knowledgable by any means than you,but I do believe you are being closed minded only acknowledging the studies against the use of hcg for diet applications.Anyways respect for you but I am going be close minded as well and choose to believe the double blind studies that conclude that it does in fact aid in fat loss while preserving lean mass.Here are a few paragraphs from studies I have found.


However, all the the reports on the subject of hCG and obesity are not negative: studies from Asher WL, Harper HW, Bradley P., Bradley P., Gusman HA, Komarnicka R, et al., Vallini A, et al, Veilleux H, et al., suggest that hCG exerts a lipid-mobilizing action.

Summary:

To assess the validity of the hypothesis that hCG (Human Choriogonadotropin) mobilizes fat from fat deposits, the authors designed a Double Blind Study performed on obese volunteers. The result of this study suggests that oral administration of hCG , in the course of a Very-Low-Calorie Diet (VLCD), significantly decreases the total amount of subcutaneous body fat from specific deposits of fat. Since an increased amount of body fat is responsible for the genesis and maintenance of obesity, the authors suggest that hCG may be useful for the treatment of obesity.

Both Placebo and hCG-treated patients were managed with the same Very Low Calorie Diet. hCG-treated volunteers lost more body fat than their Placebo counterparts.

In the end it comes down to this for me,like I said I personally know two individuals who this diet worked for.Im not blind to the fact that anyone who only takes in 500 cal. a day would lose weight...I just choose to believe the studies that say,hcg allows this to occur better and healthier than alone..

[dosXX]

you don't need HCG to loose weight just put that money on a gym membership instead. Think about it bro, HCG levels are high on women who are pregnant but do you see them loose weight?

[Swifto]

Well all I can say Swifto is that there are many ways to skin a cat...In other words if you want to look at the negative reports and believe those you may..If you want to look at the positive reports and believe them you may..I have tried several times to post links and have been unsuccessful in doing so.I will however copy a few of the paragraphs from different studies I found stating the opposite of what you have found.The bottom line IMO is that there is "conclusive" studies going both ways if you search for them both,not just look for ones using searches like- hcg diet fake- or whatever negative search adjective used.Search -hcg blind studies- and you will see studies in detail professing positive fat loss in conjunction with hcg injections.I have seen your determination in winning debates with members here, and in no way want to engage in such a war with you.I do not claim to be more knowledgable by any means than you,but I do believe you are being closed minded only acknowledging the studies against the use of hcg for diet applications.Anyways respect for you but I am going be close minded as well and choose to believe the double blind studies that conclude that it does in fact aid in fat loss while preserving lean mass.Here are a few paragraphs from studies I have found.


However, all the the reports on the subject of hCG and obesity are not negative: studies from Asher WL, Harper HW, Bradley P., Bradley P., Gusman HA, Komarnicka R, et al., Vallini A, et al, Veilleux H, et al., suggest that hCG exerts a lipid-mobilizing action.

Summary:

To assess the validity of the hypothesis that hCG (Human Choriogonadotropin) mobilizes fat from fat deposits, the authors designed a Double Blind Study performed on obese volunteers. The result of this study suggests that oral administration of hCG , in the course of a Very-Low-Calorie Diet (VLCD), significantly decreases the total amount of subcutaneous body fat from specific deposits of fat. Since an increased amount of body fat is responsible for the genesis and maintenance of obesity, the authors suggest that hCG may be useful for the treatment of obesity.

Both Placebo and hCG-treated patients were managed with the same Very Low Calorie Diet. hCG-treated volunteers lost more body fat than their Placebo counterparts.

In the end it comes down to this for me,like I said I personally know two individuals who this diet worked for.Im not blind to the fact that anyone who only takes in 500 cal. a day would lose weight...I just choose to believe the studies that say,hcg allows this to occur better and healthier than alone..

My actual search was more, "HCG weightloss", I wasnt inputting a negative citation from the get go.

I'm aware studies exist that state it gives some sort of weight loss effect, but they are few and far between and over 25 years old. There are far more recent, more conclusive studies done recently that confirm its bullshit.

I'm not being close minded, I have seen some of the full papers on this and 80% conclude that HCG does not aid (at all) in weight loss or show any effect on hunger or lypolisis. I'm talking about the more recent one's.

My opinion, from reading the most recent research on this matter is oral HCG is bullshit and HCG has no effect on hunger, weight loss, or lypolisis. You cannot ignore a more recent paper to one that was done 25-35years back. Research and understanding changes with time and so do results.

You are welcome to you opinion, but I really dont think I'm the one being "close minded" here.

[Swifto]

you don't need HCG to loose weight just put that money on a gym membership instead. Think about it bro, HCG levels are high on women who are pregnant but do you see them loose weight?

Its a no brainer IMHO.

Use something like Clen that has hundreds of studies stating it has LBM sparring properties and to put it bluntly, burns fat.

HCG has MULTIPLE studies stating its bullshit at reducing bf% and weight loss. How can you even compare the "HCG Diet" with something even remotely similar when one diet is a meesly 500 calories. People on this fad will lose weight and attribute it to the HCG as its something new, they know next to nothing about it, are in a massive calorie deficit.

What do you think is going to happen when you put someone "obese" on a 500 calorie diet... C'mon.

This is not a war. I have made my point mate.

[Sicko]

Like I said if you actually read the studies completely they give multiple examples of why it aids in weight loss under cal. deficet diets.But we can agree to disagree on this topic.And yes a membership might seem easier to you or me but for some people the results dont come fast enough to allow them to endure the pain.Unless a private trainer is paid for at great expense.I have gone this route with my wife and the gym thing doesnt last very long and I am out serious money.if a diet like this can get her to where she feels good enough about herself to stick with a gym then I say Hell, give it a shot ...Fad or not I have seen the results.

I have stated my point...

[Swifto]

Like I said if you actually read the studies completely they give multiple examples of why it aids in weight loss under cal. deficet diets.But we can agree to disagree on this topic.And yes a membership might seem easier to you or me but for some people the results dont come fast enough to allow them to endure the pain.Unless a private trainer is paid for at great expense.I have gone this route with my wife and the gym thing doesnt last very long and I am out serious money.if a diet like this can get her to where she feels good enough about herself to stick with a gym then I say Hell, give it a shot ...Fad or not I have seen the results.

I have stated my point...

I know Lyle McDonald think's "Oral HCG", "HCG Diet", is nothing more than a scam and he's probably one of the brightest minds (thats not biased) in the Nutritional Industry.

Dr. Michael Scally also thinks is utter garbage.

I'm going to get an Endocrinologist's (Swale) view on this and I dont think Oral HCG even exists.

The one thing I hope if that your not paying $150 for a few weeks worth of HCG when it can be obtained far cheaper. You know what I think of it, I wont state it again, but I hope your not doing your bollocks on it.

[Sicko]

I know Lyle McDonald think's "Oral HCG", "HCG Diet", is nothing more than a scam and he's probably one of the brightest minds (thats not biased) in the Nutritional Industry.

Dr. Michael Scally also thinks is utter garbage.

I'm going to get an Endocrinologist's (Swale) view on this and I dont think Oral HCG even exists.

The one thing I hope if that your not paying $150 for a few weeks worth of HCG when it can be obtained far cheaper. You know what I think of it, I wont state it again, but I hope your not doing your bollocks on it.

At this point I havn't done anything.My wife isnt sold on the whole ed pinning idea.heheheh... I am not talking about oral administration.I dont believe that to be real or effective in any way.Most of those are considered homiopathic.it is actually very cheap to administer yourself if one has access to real hcg with the daily dosages suggested.
Anyways we will see if she even decides to go that route.If she does I will definetely keep this thread alive with updates on her progress.Thanks for keepin this debate civil Swifto..I hate to see them always turn into a brain bashing..

[Swifto]

At this point I havn't done anything.My wife isnt sold on the whole ed pinning idea.heheheh... I am not talking about oral administration.I dont believe that to be real or effective in any way.Most of those are considered homiopathic.it is actually very cheap to administer yourself if one has access to real hcg with the daily dosages suggested.
Anyways we will see if she even decides to go that route.If she does I will definetely keep this thread alive with updates on her progress.Thanks for keepin this debate civil Swifto..I hate to see them always turn into a brain bashing..

Its Christmas.

[Sicko]

Peace...

[auslifta]

Is oral HCG possible? I've seen it for sale and cant find much info on it other than someone selling it.

[stack_it]

This may have been mentioned in the debate above but I'll throw it out there just in case it wasn't.

From what I've read the benefit of the hcg is to trick the body into burning the fat. What I mean by this is hcg is secreted in pregnant women and when that pregnant woman isn't eating enough calories it tells the body to start burning stored fat in order to get the baby the nutrients it needs. So when a women runs hcg while she is not pregnant and lowers her calories to only 500 a day the hcg tells the body to start burning the fat in order to protect the non existent baby.


Hcg on a regular 2k cal diet or more per day will not cause fat to be burnt. It will only work on low cal intake.


I think the reason most people put there weight back on is because they go back to the unstructured, unhealthy diet they were on before. Most people are too dumb to realize that it's those foods that had them fat in the first place. In my personal opinion I feel that any body doing the hcg diet should slowly raise there caloric intake back up over a span of 3 weeks so the body doesn't try to store all of the nutrients you've been depriving it of. Then ofcourse stay on a clean, low fat maintenance diet.