prop throughout test-e cycle- kickstart without drop in test levels?

[VA703]

25yo, 6ft1, 238lbs, 18-19%bf (wont start cycle till bf is down more)

First cycle was 50mg var ed and 500mg eq weeks 1-12
2nd cycle was test-e 250mg x2 per week for 12 weeks.

I recently posted asking about the following cycle but I wanted to ask another question after you read the cycle lay out. I have heard countless people tell me that dball works wounders when your test levels are allready up, so thats why I wanted to throw in some extra prop to kick start.

week 1-12 test-e 500mg per week
week 1-2 test-p 75mg eod
week 2-3 test-p 50mg eod
week 1-4 dball at 30mg per day
week 1-12 arimidex .25mg per day
week 8-12 hcg 500iu's per week

week 14-18 clomid and nolvadex

I ran the prop like this because I wanted to stay away from a huge drop in test when i hit week 4. My main question is what if I avoided the drop in test by running the prop at say 75mg eod throughout the whole cycle? I could even stop the test-e 2 weeks before pct and keep running the prop for a clean transfer then start my pct maybe 4 days after last prop pin.

If you say why not just d-ball, well do you think that will get me as much gains as d-ball and prop conbined?

I just dont want to wait for the test-e to kick in. It seemed it took to long on my first test cycle.

[Far from massive]

I have posted this same analogy several times although mine was with EOD and larger first 2 week dosages but the same concept. That is, a decreasing dosage of prop that would create a blood level of test inverse to the increasing levels provided by the long ester and to my knowlege no one has come aboard to say why it is a bad idea, I am still confused about this I can not believe that you and I are the first ones who have ever envisioned this simple theory...yet no one who has done it has replied either to condemn it or to say its a good idea.

As far as running a constant dose well thats ok if you don't mind the fact that by weeks 6-10 your blood levels would be huge and sides would be that much more likely.

I have heard some experienced guys say to drop the long ester two weeks from the end and substitute with prop to allow for the long ester too clear, however on a 12 week cycle with a fairly high dosage, I don't know..maybe the slow drop in test is a good thing.

FFM

[VA703]

I have also posted this on other forums and I get comments like "d-ball will bloat you up" Its like, thanks for replying but could someone answer my question? I too feel like its logical therefore am surprised nobody has had any input. I think you are a little more on point with the prop dose. something like
week 1 (200mg eod)
week 2 (150mg eod)
week 3 (100 mg eod)
week 4 (75 mg eod)
By then the test-e should be pretty close to leveling out. I feel dball may be a little much to run with this cycle, but Ive always heard great things about running the dball when test levels are already up? Well let me know if you come up with any helpfull info, thanks bro.

[littleriverman]

I have also posted this on other forums and I get comments like "d-ball will bloat you up" Its like, thanks for replying but could someone answer my question? I too feel like its logical therefore am surprised nobody has had any input. I think you are a little more on point with the prop dose. something like
week 1 (200mg eod)
week 2 (150mg eod)
week 3 (100 mg eod)
week 4 (75 mg eod)
By then the test-e should be pretty close to leveling out. I feel dball may be a little much to run with this cycle, but Ive always heard great things about running the dball when test levels are already up? Well let me know if you come up with any helpfull info, thanks bro.

bro, with 2 cycles under your belt and you're still at 20 percent body fat? cycling should be the last thing on your mind until you get your diet in real check. what were you at before the 2 cycles 35 percent body fat or something in that area

[VA703]

I was at 27%, last time I checked I was 19% but I have lost close to 8 pounds since then, Like I posted in my thread (IM NOT GOING TO RUN THIS CYCLE TILL MY BF IS LOWER LIKE 16%) My diet is in check bro. Everyone told me at 27% to stay away from aas but why? I have kept my diet in check and Im down to 18% maybe lower. I feel alot of people hate because they think Im a fatboy trying to take a wonder drug to lose weight. Well Im not a fat boy anymore, and I have busted my ass to loose the 10% bf. Again like I said I wasnt going to start this cycle till I lowered it a little more anyway. I also do have muscle mass, even when I was 27% I was still pretty solid everywhere but my gut. Naturally I was benching 260 shoulder dumbell pressing 90lbs.

[VA703]

I was thinking about this, what are your thoughts?
That makes sense, about only using prop if I was going to run it the whole time. This is what I came up with

week 1) 30mg dball ed/prop 200mg eod (about 800mg test) frontload
week 2) 30mg dball ed/prop 150mg eod (about 650mg test) frontload
week 3) 30mg dball ed/prop 100mg eod (about 500mg test)
week 4) 30mg dball ed/prop 75mg eod (about 425 mg test)
week 5) test-e will be leveling out to about 500 mg test

[Far from massive]

I really like the idea of just a straight test cycle as you are trying to get lean mass and D-bol is a notorious bloater. It seems to me that any sudden drop or gain in hormones increases the chance of sides, so D-bol would also cause a big dip in the curve at the end of the 30days.

As to your comment about the reponses and not answering the question, last time I posted it someone said they would not do it because they ran (I think) 75 ed for 5 weeks and when they stopped they got all sorts of sides....Completely ignoring the fact that my proposal had decreasing dosages, in this guys approach he was running I think 500mg of Enan which at week 5 has a blood level concentration equal to 600mg of Prop so week 5 he was basically on 1125mg of test and week 6 after the prop cleared he would drop to 600....no wonder he got sides.


As to your analogies about front load 800mg test week 1, I disagree with this if you look at charts of testosterone buildup within the body when using enan or cyp you will find that if you are running 500mg of enan or cyp for 12 wks that the level of active test in week 1 will be equal to about 250mg (average through the week) of test prop and continue to build each week by week 5-6 the level of active test from 500 of enan or cyp will exceed the level of 600mg of prop. This is why I suggest running a fairly high dose of test for the first week then dropping each week.

In the long thread I posted before I detailed a cycle where you would pin every day. On week one you would pin 40mg the day of the Enan injection 50 the day after then 60,70,80,90,100 then on week two go 40,50,60,70,80,90 then week three 20,30,40,50,60,70 week four 0,30,0,50,60,60 week five 0,30,0,40,0,40 This would be to really mimic the blood level swings and the same approach could be adapted to EOD injections, however I can certainly understand that this would be way too much complication for many due to all the dosage variations.

Hang in their maybe we will never get an answer and maybe one of us will meet a wealthy individual who will want to do bloodwork on one of us while we use this approach to document results...and the results will be so fantastic we will rewrite the entire approach to cycling...or maybe not LOL