Well boys what do you think

[lil_herc81]

This is my re re revised cycle (I don't think I left anything out). I decided to do a pyramid on the Test E opposed to 750mg for 16 weeks. Let me know if any mods are recommended and why please. Thanks

week 1-16 Test E 500-750mg/ week
Week- 1-16 EQ 300-600mg/Week
Week 6-16 Winny 50mg/ E3D

Debating: for estrogen even though never an isue
Week 6-16 Nolvadex 20mg/daily
Week 6-16 letro .25mg /daily


PCT-
standard 4 weeks with nolva and clomid. Considering HCG also.


Stats:
29yrs
BF%- mid teens
215lbs
training- several years
Previous cycles- several (this will be the first time with winy and EQ tho)

[D7M]

Cycle history?

Why the nolva (and that high of a dose) with letro throughout?

[Ruffiancino]

Cycle history?

Why the nolva (and that high of a dose) with letro throughout?

This was going to be my question, as well.

[lil_herc81]

I want to make sure to keep estrogen down.

I have completed prob 7 cycles including: tren, all tests, sustenon/ test compounds, deca/nandrolone, dbol. Just to summarize since many of the same products have different names

[lil_herc81]

I have been pondering a pyramid with the EQ as well any opinions here?

[D7M]

I wouldn't pyramid either the test or the EQ.

Did you have Estrogen issues with your previous cycles?

[Ruffiancino]

I would, personally, run Adex, not letro. And if I was running letro, it definitely wouldn't be at 30mg a week. A typical dosage is only .25mg/day. Letro is powerful stuff. And you shouldn't need to go as high as 60mg with the Nolva

[Ruffiancino]

Holy shit, you said 30mg/day of letro.......don't do that

[lil_herc81]

I have never had any problems on cycle or the need for AI. I want to make sure that I dont set myself up for failure (always be prepared right). So you guys think I wont need the nolva or letro on cycle if I have never had issues before? I didnt think so either but my buddy told me specifically to buy these and take them for this cycle and maybe HCG as well for PCT. I think its a bit much but I know that he has far more knowledge than I prob will ever have no matter how much I study.

From my knowledge with Winny- I should be fine and not need support
Test- E never had any issues here at all.
EQ- this would be my only concern

[lil_herc81]

I wouldn't pyramid either the test or the EQ.

Did you have Estrogen issues with your previous cycles?

I have used Test E at 500mg quite a few times with decent results. You think I should run the same again or bump now to 750 across the board?
on the EQ would you recommend 300 or 600mg weekly?

[lil_herc81]

Holy shit, you said 30mg/day of letro.......don't do that

there is an imaginary decimal there .25-.30 mg daily

[Ruffiancino]

I have never had any problems on cycle or the need for AI. I want to make sure that I dont set myself up for failure (always be prepared right). So you guys think I wont need the nolva or letro on cycle if I have never had issues before? I didnt think so either but my buddy told me specifically to buy these and take them for this cycle and maybe HCG as well for PCT. I think its a bit much but I know that he has far more knowledge than I prob will ever have no matter how much I study.

From my knowledge with Winny- I should be fine and not need support
Test- E never had any issues here at all.
EQ- this would be my only concern

Haha......ok, I thought that 30mg was an actual number and I wanted to help protect your sex drive, sanity, etc.......

It's never a bad idea to have Nolva on hand, I always keep some around just in case. I was never prone to any sides, the first couple of cycles I did, but as I increased the potency of the cycles, I did experience them. Now I have stuff on hand all the time. But when on cycle, I run Adex, I don't run letro, but it's a personal thing at it's base, I guess. Letro is just really strong, and can have bad rebound effects, and if you don't have any gyno symptoms, I wouldn't use it. As far as the HCG goes, I would never tell anyone NOT to use it. I do with all cycles at this point

Here's my advice on the other questions......I wouldn't pyramid the EQ or the test. If you ran 500mg of test previously, you could up it to 750, no problem. I would, if it were me. Def run a higher dosage of the EQ, though.

[stack_it]

If you've seen great results from 500 then why up it? That just raises the chances of sides. No need to up the dose until you stop gaining with the lower dose cycles.

I wouldn't pyramid it either.

[baseline_9]

Winni E3D - Why?

Why run a 16 week cycle?

You are just supressing yourself for a long time and ur gains are going to slow anyway...

If you have run all the tests why not stick with prop for 8 weeks?

And from what a lot of guys say, EQ is a waste of good oil.

[lil_herc81]

baseline-
Winny Ed3 because I have not used and not sure on bruising decided to be moderate and see how it goes for my first run.
I normally run 15 weeks so 16 is one more week
Test prop crashes too much and I have a lot of test on hand

stackit-
Considering upping the test since gains are decent and not great

Ruff-
may i ask why you recommend the higher dosage? just asking since I have not ran this compound before and I am curious to the dosage. I have read myself recommended is 600.

[baseline_9]

Winni should be shot ED to maintain stable blood levels since it contains an ester-less hormone

[Ruffiancino]

baseline-
Winny Ed3 because I have not used and not sure on bruising decided to be moderate and see how it goes for my first run.
I normally run 15 weeks so 16 is one more week
Test prop crashes too much and I have a lot of test on hand

stackit-
Considering upping the test since gains are decent and not great

Ruff-
may i ask why you recommend the higher dosage? just asking since I have not ran this compound before and I am curious to the dosage. I have read myself recommended is 600.

I'm guessing your talking about the EQ, yes? If so, then yeah, 600 would be good. Anything lower than that is going to be a waste. I think earlier you had 300-600 listed. 300 is too low for sure. Since it's your first time using it, 600 should be a good number. And I agree with the post above......Winny should be shot ED, I didn't notice that your were planning on doing it every three days before

[lil_herc81]

I am willing to bump the winny to EOD but there is no way I am going ED this cycle without knowing how I will feel after. If all is well then I can modify and go ED but for now I think EOD is best if E3d isnt recommended.

[lil_herc81]

So that takes this to:
week 1-16 Test E 750mg/ week
Week- 1-16 EQ 600mg/Week
Week 6-16 Winny 50mg/ EOD

Plus PCT- 2 weeks after last test E injection- which will be nolva and clomid and hopefully I can grab some HCG.

[baseline_9]

I am willing to bump the winny to EOD but there is no way I am going ED this cycle without knowing how I will feel after. If all is well then I can modify and go ED but for now I think EOD is best if E3d isnt recommended.

If your worried about post injection pain, i found with prop that EOD injections were worse than ED,,, this is obvious really since u will be shooting twice as much...

And by the way I wound say that EOD is not recomended either,, if ur ok with ur blood levels going up and down on a regular ocurance then stick with your plan, if not then pin ED

[lil_herc81]

I will see what happens, but I thought winny was good for up to 3 days between injections? Hence the E3d and EOD.

[Ruffiancino]

I will see what happens, but I thought winny was good for up to 3 days between injections? Hence the E3d and EOD.

If you're gonna go the spread out route, do EOD

[lil_herc81]

I found a few weak points in my training. Im going to just run the test (going to repeat 500mg) and maybe the EQ and see if I can grow past my challenge. I think because I work out alone I am not getting the results I want. I found a partner so now I can work to failure with heavy weights.

[MBMETC]

i found a few weak points in my training. Im going to just run the test (going to repeat 500mg) and maybe the eq and see if i can grow past my challenge. I think because i work out alone i am not getting the results i want. I found a partner so now i can work to failure with heavy weights.

i hear ya working solo bites i think with a partner you will be able to train with more intensity