Time on + PCT= Time off Any one do anything different... read Ronnie R's thread

[Dozer]

I've always done the first set up, but after reading Ronnie's thread on slingshot training I'm curious. It makes sense that waiting that long in-between cycles will "reset" your starting point to just above that of the previous cycle.

I'm into health as much as I am muscle and appearance. Ronnie mentions only 2 weeks between cycles. I'm not that gung ho, but are there any experienced members that would like to share their opinion? My current cycle totals 10 weeks. PCT is another 4 weeks. I think 14 weeks between cycles is a bit much. Is there anyway to bring back natural hormone levels in less time?

I just want to reiterate I'm looking for opinions from experienced members. Health is my number one concern... hence why I'm asking. Thanks in advance.

[Dozer]

bump.....

[D7M]

Get bloodwork.

[Sicko]

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[Dozer]

Get bloodwork.

What reason do you guys give the doc?

I've always wondered why there are so many "general" rules of thumb regarding doses and PCT. You'd think all these hormones should need to be "tailored" to each person. Age and weight affect hormone levels a ton. I'll be speaking completely out my ass if I try to say anything past that! My degrees are in nutrition and kinesiology. Just like calorie needs adjust to each person...

[HawaiianPride.]

My reasoning is simple. I would like to ensure my hormone (lh, fsh), lipids, liver, blood, prostate, electrolytes, minerals, and glucose are all in their proper reference range for an adult my age.

[delta1111]

Not many people seem to want to comment on Ronnie's method of cycling.

[Dozer]

My reasoning is simple. I would like to ensure my hormone (lh, fsh), lipids, liver, blood, prostate, electrolytes, minerals, and glucose are all in their proper reference range for an adult my age.

That makes complete sense. Something everyone otta know anyway.

Not many people seem to want to comment on Ronnie's method of cycling.

I'm not trying to challenge it (not saying that's what you are implying) , just curious of what else works for people.

[layeazy]

yeah has anyone done his method it too me seems a little hardcore with the short breaks is he just selling something he made up or does it work?

[delta1111]

I'm not trying to challenge it (not saying that's what you are implying) , just curious of what else works for people.

I find your question very interesting and would like to hear responses from the more experienced members of this forum.

[delta1111]

yeah has anyone done his method it too me seems a little hardcore with the short breaks is he just selling something he made up or does it work?

I have written many posts on his thread, asking various questions and Ronnie has always been more than helpfull. He seems like a very nice man, who dedicates much of his time to this forum helping people. I don't see how he can be making anything out of the information he provides as this forum is free to use. As for whether or not it works...... I have used his method of cycling for most of 2010. I had full bloodwork done in October and everything came back normal. I'm not bothered about having anymore children as i've had the snip anyway. What I can say is that the gains you make, you hold on to, as you never really come off for any length of time. The do slow down though and to continue progressing, you need to increase dosage on each reload. I think that the method of time on, plus pct = time off, is a waste because by the time you get back on, most of your gains will have gone.

[Dozer]

I have written many posts on his thread, asking various questions and Ronnie has always been more than helpfull. He seems like a very nice man, who dedicates much of his time to this forum helping people. I don't see how he can be making anything out of the information he provides as this forum is free to use. As for whether or not it works...... I have used his method of cycling for most of 2010. I had full bloodwork done in October and everything came back normal. I'm not bothered about having anymore children as i've had the snip anyway. What I can say is that the gains you make, you hold on to, as you never really come off for any length of time. The do slow down though and to continue progressing, you need to increase dosage on each reload. I think that the method of time on, plus pct = time off, is a waste because by the time you get back on, most of your gains will have gone.

My thoughts exactly... it makes sense. There's got to be a happy median. I understand anything said is opinion. I'm hoping others with a different method chime in.

[Userat204]

I'm sure that method works great and the results will be better but for the average person who is not looking to be a pro BB, it's not practical because of the potential harm it can cause the user. No disrespect to Ronnie, I'm sure it's great for competitive BB but for most people just looking to add some size and strength, time on = time off is a safer way.

[Dozer]

I'm sure that method works great and the results will be better but for the average person who is not looking to be a pro BB, it's not practical because of the potential harm it can cause the user. No disrespect to Ronnie, I'm sure it's great for competitive BB but for most people just looking to add some size and strength, time on = time off is a safer way.

I agree that the general time on= time off is a general safe rule of thumb. I just can't imagine it's as efficient as a happy median between it and Ronnie's method would be. Blood work is a sure way to be 100%. I find it hard to believe everyone follows time on= time off.... I'm completely neutral at the moment. I'll keep doing research trying to find a different/ safe approach.

[The Titan99]

Without speaking for Ronnie, I've studied his method quite extensively and feel like I can field this one safely for him. What Ronnie is talking about is usually 2-8 week cycles. First, a prime, then an 8 week Test E or C/whatever(Tren, Deca, Test only, etc) separated by either 2 weeks of no AAS or a 200-700 mg bridge. The idea being that your going high volume, high protein, on AAS for 8 weeks, then stop or bridge for 2 weeks. The Test will still be active in your body for the 2 weeks regardless of what you do, so whatever happens, it CANNOT be confused with PCT. During this time you'll half your set volume, half your protein and basically consolidate your gains during this 2 week "Deload". The second 8 week portion of the cycle you'll either duplicate or raise the dose of AAS, go back to the high set volume, high protein, 8 additional weeks. Following this you'll return to the 2 week "Deload" routine. So basically what your talking about is a 20 week cycle. At this point you can wait for your esters to run down and PCT. (While starting another 8 week high volume, high protein period, which, by the way is probably what you need to do in order to keep the majority of your gains.) NOW, without making any claims as to the health aspects, what Ronnie's saying is that a lot of advanced and pro BB are staying on year around. So basically this system is working whether your not using AAS, are using the time on=time off method or staying on for an extended period he's recommending a 2-8 week cycles with either bridge or break, followed by a lowered level of Test followed by (UP TO YOU) either another 20 week cycle OR PCT. He's just addressing the reality that some guy's that are way beyond their genetic potential, don't/can't do the time on=time off and expect to stay the same size. (I suppose a guy like Jay Cutler could speak more intelligently and with more experience regarding this than me!!)

My apologies to Ronnie for any attempt to interpret his AWESOME system for him, to paraphrase or distill him or in any way take any credit other than try to clear up any misconceptions about a cycle followed by a 2 week PCT (Duh!!) then another cycle. I am will always remain his #1 fan!!

[shennen]

He has suggested a PCT during deload, followed by a cycle, based on prefernece of the user.
Its in one of the 50 page responces.

[Dozer]

Without speaking for Ronnie, I've studied his method quite extensively and feel like I can field this one safely for him. What Ronnie is talking about is usually 2-8 week cycles. First, a prime, then an 8 week Test E or C/whatever(Tren, Deca, Test only, etc) separated by either 2 weeks of no AAS or a 200-700 mg bridge. The idea being that your going high volume, high protein, on AAS for 8 weeks, then stop or bridge for 2 weeks. The Test will still be active in your body for the 2 weeks regardless of what you do, so whatever happens, it CANNOT be confused with PCT. During this time you'll half your set volume, half your protein and basically consolidate your gains during this 2 week "Deload". The second 8 week portion of the cycle you'll either duplicate or raise the dose of AAS, go back to the high set volume, high protein, 8 additional weeks. Following this you'll return to the 2 week "Deload" routine. So basically what your talking about is a 20 week cycle. At this point you can wait for your esters to run down and PCT. (While starting another 8 week high volume, high protein period, which, by the way is probably what you need to do in order to keep the majority of your gains.) NOW, without making any claims as to the health aspects, what Ronnie's saying is that a lot of advanced and pro BB are staying on year around. So basically this system is working whether your not using AAS, are using the time on=time off method or staying on for an extended period he's recommending a 2-8 week cycles with either bridge or break, followed by a lowered level of Test followed by (UP TO YOU) either another 20 week cycle OR PCT. He's just addressing the reality that some guy's that are way beyond their genetic potential, don't/can't do the time on=time off and expect to stay the same size. (I suppose a guy like Jay Cutler could speak more intelligently and with more experience regarding this than me!!)

My apologies to Ronnie for any attempt to interpret his AWESOME system for him, to paraphrase or distill him or in any way take any credit other than try to clear up any misconceptions about a cycle followed by a 2 week PCT (Duh!!) then another cycle. I am will always remain his #1 fan!!

Just curious... are you following this method? There's got to be an optimum way to build up using AAS and then stabilizing your body to natural levels... then doing it all over again. I would put money down towards each person's time being a little different depending on age, body weight, etc. I wish I could find more research on it. Getting the most out of each cycle the "right" way isn't worth the hassle if we lose more than we have to during the off cycle.

I swear I'm not the guy wanting to push too hard that ends up hurting himself.... just want to make that clear I've still got access to my university's library archives. All the newest research articles are posted as well as the archives they've bought rights to. I'll keep reading. There's a ton of info on roided rats!! Please feel free to share your experiences and what has worked best for you.

[The Titan99]

Sorry, been away for a while. Yes, I do STS ala Ronnie I'm coming to the end of two 8 week cycles bridged together and am going to PCT in 4 weeks. This is by far my longest cycle, so we'll see how it goes. I got a seriously aggressive 8 week PCT planned and am loaded for bear, but so far I am extremely happy with the results.

[cro]

stick to the protocal

[The Titan99]

stick to the protocal

Referring to what?

[AnimalJ]

From what iv read mind you im always learning, there are protocols that work and protocols that don't. There are many ways to run cycles and pct. .. the thing is there is no %100 right way.It appears many different things work for many different people but the 10 week on 4 week pct then 14 week off seems to be the standard .. . . . there hasent been enough research. . . .. . I guess the ONLY thing i know for sure that is if your willing to do a cycle JUST BE PREPARED TO BE ON TRT. im not saying its going to happen just understand that once you open the AAS door you may not be able to shut it. . . . just saying. lol ill never shut it!

[The Titan99]

Yea, I here ya man. If I was 25-30 I'd be worried about that possibility, but I'm 46 and although never diagnosed, had all the symptoms of low Test. Since I started cycling I've had a phenomenal increase in quality in all ways possible. For me, there are worst possibilities than TRT. At least it makes the risk less important to me anyway...