Cutting Cycles - do they require test?

[lestat88]

So I have been reading alot, researching as much as I can, before making a decision on a cutting cycle.

My only question I have is if you require test in the cycle, my question is because test seems to hold alot of water but I'm trying to lean down and get rid of alot of water

[slimshady01]

wondering the same.

[Harry Manback]

You can essentially run any compound without test. I like to keep it in for libido purposes, plus I do fairly well on test alone so I see no reason not to have it. Prop bloats me less than cyp and I've only had water weight issues higher than 700mg/week. If I go higher than that, I take 12.5-25mg exe daily to control any E related sides such as retaining water.

What are you thinking of running?

I have two friends that run tren alone and are completely fine. I know winni and var are also ran by itself at times.

[layeazy]

I think Props the best and cheapest test that will cut you up never heard of bloating... What is the compound you are thinking of running masteron is great with low body fat and winstrol is just awesome at cutting..

[lestat88]

Well there is 2 proposed cycles;
Week 1 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1ml - 1000mg
Week 2 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 1250mg
Week 3 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 3ml - 1200mg
Week 4 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 1250mg
Week 5 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 3ml - 1200mg
Week 6 - Primo 3ml, EQ 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 1250mg
Week 7 - Primo 2ml, EQ 2ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 2ml - 850mg

Or
Week 1 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1ml - 700mg
Week 2 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 950mg
Week 3 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 3ml - 900mg
Week 4 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 950mg
Week 5 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 3ml - 900mg
Week 6 - Primo 3ml, Mast 3ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 4ml - 950mg
Week 7 - Primo 2ml, Mast 2ml, Prop 1.5ml, Winny 2ml - 850mg

I have everything apart from the Prop, so could save some money and not get the Prop, or is it best to have that?

[dec11]

primo and EQ are a waste at 7wks, primo needs to be run more like 14-18wks, eq 12-16wks. you need to post the mgs per compound. also, diet cuts you not the aas

whats your age and stats?

[ScotchGuard02]

I always try to run at least a little test, 200mg/wk, to keep my endogenous level of Test stable. If you get shut down then your Test level drops. I like Test Prop. Hurts like heck but I can stop quickly if I get sides. If you're running long cycle you might want to do Test E.

[ramacher]

primo can't be run for 12 weeks?

[marcus300]

First what are your stats?
Whats your bf?
The cycles you have posted are awful IMHO,
Bloating can be combated easily,
You don't need alot of compounds or mgs to cut, people use to many, its the diet and cardio what will cut and shred you not the compounds.