Need guidance on several topics

[rockhorse]

Hi all,

Im 40 years old, 5.10. 180 and about 13% bodyfat..Ive been training hard for 3 years..my nutrition is real good..

My goal is to stay cut, but to bulk up..Looking for a extra 15 to 20 pounds..but not looking for water weight..

Im trying to figure all the great information on this site, however the terms and knowledge of the subject isnt my strong point..

Im guessing to start a first cycle, it would be ideal to have test (dont know which one) and something else..but my knowledge stops there..Id like to take something thats consume orally...

I dont wanna take something and loose it all later on..I like that big ripped look..

Thanks for any help..

[JohnnyVegas]

Welcome!

I am far from an expert on doing a first cycle, but the consensus here is to stick with one compound. Others will chime in.

[lifteatsleep]

For a first cycle, i always reccomend Test only. Test E, Test C or Test P (test P apparently causes less bloat, in my experience, this holds true) at about 500-700mgs a week for say 6-10 weeks, depending on ester used. Test E and C are probably better if you aren't used to jabbing EOD, which is a skill in itself.

I wouldn't worry about orals, other compounds, until you are at a more advanced stage in terms of gear use.

Here is a write up of how my first Test Prop cycle went:
http://tnation.**************/free_o..._cycle_results

[Ashop]

I would go with something simple for your first cycle like 500mg week of TEST ENAN or CYP for 8-10 wks.

[rockhorse]

what gains should i expect from test only ? any side effects ?

[MBMETC]

For a first cycle, i always reccomend Test only. Test E, Test C or Test P (test P apparently causes less bloat, in my experience, this holds true) at about 500-700mgs a week for say 6-10 weeks, depending on ester used. Test E and C are probably better if you aren't used to jabbing EOD, which is a skill in itself.

I wouldn't worry about orals, other compounds, until you are at a more advanced stage in terms of gear use.

Here is a write up of how my first Test Prop cycle went:
http://tnation.**************/free_o..._cycle_results

dont agree, welcome fellow 40yr old similar stats,
i do agree on keeping it one compound for your first cycle, i don't however recommend the use of prop for a first go especially at 500 or more mgs. that being said consider a test e or c cycle 12 weeks 300-500mgs should be good for a first run. you will gain water weight but that can be controlled through diet and the use of an ai (aromatose inhibitor) click the AR-R banner at the top of the screen you'll see ai's listed as well as pct meds. visit the diet section and see how your diet stacks up for your specific goal there are some great guys over there that will help if you need. your diet will be the sucess of your cycle. read the pct stickies and familiarize yourself with a proper pct (post cycle therapy) this will be a crucial part of how well you retain your gains.
good luck,
mb

[Tigershark]

If you are going to run a cycle I would definately stick with one compund. You need to know how your body will take the introduction of something new. Personally I would do a test e 500mg a week for 12 weeks. Worked very well for me.

[rockhorse]

very good info guys !! thanks alot ! does someone know the diff. between test e or c ? i know everyones different, but what kind of gain should i expect, 10,20 pounds ? or not close to that...I click the AR-R banner , after reading this, if i understood correctly, is this is a med. that fights water weight ?

[MBMETC]

Test e and c are very similar so no real difference. Your gains will be diet dependent that is why it is imperative you hav your diet dialed in before you start your cycle. A-AR as I mentioned will supply you with an ai and pct meds.
Did you read the pct stickies and have you been reading the educational threads?
Mb

[lifteatsleep]

dont agree, welcome fellow 40yr old similar stats,
i do agree on keeping it one compound for your first cycle, i don't however recommend the use of prop for a first go especially at 500 or more mgs. that being said consider a test e or c cycle 12 weeks 300-500mgs should be good for a first run. you will gain water weight but that can be controlled through diet and the use of an ai (aromatose inhibitor) click the AR-R banner at the top of the screen you'll see ai's listed as well as pct meds. visit the diet section and see how your diet stacks up for your specific goal there are some great guys over there that will help if you need. your diet will be the sucess of your cycle. read the pct stickies and familiarize yourself with a proper pct (post cycle therapy) this will be a crucial part of how well you retain your gains.
good luck,
mb

Fair enough mate.
I did alright with Prop as my first cycle hence the suggestion, as i didn't really want to mess with AIs etc outside of PCT.

I think 12 weeks is a tad long for a first cycle, the longer the cycle, the longer it takes to recover.

Other then that, agree Test E or C would be better, minimum 500mgs/week though....

[MBMETC]

Fair enough mate.
I did alright with Prop as my first cycle hence the suggestion, as i didn't really want to mess with AIs etc outside of PCT.

I think 12 weeks is a tad long for a first cycle, the longer the cycle, the longer it takes to recover.

Other then that, agree Test E or C would be better, minimum 500mgs/week though....

cheers

[rockhorse]

Where could i find the meaning of all these abreviations ? Im so new to this, im readng from te educational threads to the diet threads, but theirs so many abreviations, that im easily lost...id rather come off honest about it than to pretend to know what im talking about...

[MBMETC]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-abbreviations..

[rockhorse]

YOU are the man !!! thanks !

[MBMETC]

Glad to help

[rockhorse]

ok ill go with your advice..now, im in canada, any problems getting this here, customs and all..and where to buy?

[MACHINE5150]

I would go with something simple for your first cycle like 500mg week of TEST ENAN or CYP for 8-10 wks.

agreed.. but more like 10-12 weeks. followed by some post cycle therapy to keep your gains.. you might be eligble for TRT in which you can just never come off it. it's up to you.

[rockhorse]

whats TRT ?

[MBMETC]

Trt Is testosterone replacement therapy, it's for men with low test which can be determined through blood work.
There are symptoms like little or no libido, tiredness, just kinda like a blaa look at life.

[rockhorse]

anyone has good reference for ordering in canada ?

[9za4ck4]

not suppose to ask where to buy on the threads here just a heads up

[auslifta]

dont agree, welcome fellow 40yr old similar stats,
i do agree on keeping it one compound for your first cycle, i don't however recommend the use of prop for a first go especially at 500 or more mgs. that being said consider a test e or c cycle 12 weeks 300-500mgs should be good for a first run. you will gain water weight but that can be controlled through diet and the use of an ai (aromatose inhibitor) click the AR-R banner at the top of the screen you'll see ai's listed as well as pct meds. visit the diet section and see how your diet stacks up for your specific goal there are some great guys over there that will help if you need. your diet will be the sucess of your cycle. read the pct stickies and familiarize yourself with a proper pct (post cycle therapy) this will be a crucial part of how well you retain your gains.
good luck,
mb

Agreed. Keep researching, the more you know the better you will benefit, so many factors come to play with how much you will gain. One thing that is for certain, the more you know the better your results will be. Goodluck, almost everything you need is only a search away.

[Tigershark]

anyone has good reference for ordering in canada ?

No fishing.

[cro]

ar-r should have no problem getting through canadian customs,

anyone has good reference for ordering in canada ?

[rockhorse]

one final questions before making my decision...

Im 40 eyars old, my nutrition is very clean. When ever i tryied to bulk up, eating more carbs made me bloaded, ive tryied numeros gainer, without sugar etc, but it hasnt never met my expectations...

My training is 3 day 2 body part a day, i do 2 other days, one is jump training and the other some sort of MMA conditionning..

Now if i take test E or C (which one would be your best choice), should i expect to bulk up whitout gainin fat and retaining water (creatine has that effect on me big time)..After cycle, is novaldex a good choice ? Also, i have never injected, therefore im a bit concerned about that aspect...

I basically wanna get wider, more muscular, but i want my waist to shrink a bit, cutting a bit of body fat..is 3 day bodysplit enough ?

Thanks again all for great advice

[MBMETC]

Post a proposed diet so we can see what doing. I would expect to gain a little fat it's just part of the bulk, if it's getting out of hand increase the cardio.
Clomid and nolva for pct .
E or c it isn't gonna make a difference.
Did you visit ar-r for the pct meeds and the ai to control water.

[dec11]

Fair enough mate.
I did alright with Prop as my first cycle hence the suggestion, as i didn't really want to mess with AIs etc outside of PCT.

I think 12 weeks is a tad long for a first cycle, the longer the cycle, the longer it takes to recover.

Other then that, agree Test E or C would be better, minimum 500mgs/week though....

10wks minimum with 12wks optimum. you would already be shut down, 2wks more doesnt make a diff

[cro]

i live 30 miles from the border .ill throw it over .lol

anyone has good reference for ordering in canada ?

[rockhorse]

nutrtion is fairly the same day in day out...

training at 5.30 am, protein shake right after , then either oatmeal, whole wheat bread oast or bran cereal - 2 hrs later, 8 to10 egg white omelette with ham (2 whole eggs in it) with grapefruit - lunch is chicken or fish with green veggies & yogurt or bran muffin, protein shake for snack - dinner is red meat or fish or chicken with veggies & green tea after...

i dont do cardio on training days, i do cardio on seperate days (45 min. to a hour), boxing, kick boxing or plyo...some weeks i do a yoga session to strech out...

should i take the AI with test E ? Ive checked it out in the ar-r banner, theres 3 different one ???

[rockhorse]

everyone here talks about mg's..but mu guys tells me 1 cc everyday 4 days....is this like the 300 to 500 mg a week, like suggested ?

[auslifta]

Depends how it's dosed eg 100mg/ml or 300mg/ml

[MBMETC]

nutrtion is fairly the same day in day out...

training at 5.30 am, protein shake right after , then either oatmeal, whole wheat bread oast or bran cereal - 2 hrs later, 8 to10 egg white omelette with ham (2 whole eggs in it) with grapefruit - lunch is chicken or fish with green veggies & yogurt or bran muffin, protein shake for snack - dinner is red meat or fish or chicken with veggies & green tea after...

i dont do cardio on training days, i do cardio on seperate days (45 min. to a hour), boxing, kick boxing or plyo...some weeks i do a yoga session to strech out...

should i take the AI with test E ? Ive checked it out in the ar-r banner, theres 3 different one ???

If you want to gain^^ this needs to ne addressed, not enough food 4 meals isn't gonn cut it.

[cro]

good eye.

dont agree, welcome fellow 40yr old similar stats,
i do agree on keeping it one compound for your first cycle, i don't however recommend the use of prop for a first go especially at 500 or more mgs. that being said consider a test e or c cycle 12 weeks 300-500mgs should be good for a first run. you will gain water weight but that can be controlled through diet and the use of an ai (aromatose inhibitor) click the AR-R banner at the top of the screen you'll see ai's listed as well as pct meds. visit the diet section and see how your diet stacks up for your specific goal there are some great guys over there that will help if you need. your diet will be the sucess of your cycle. read the pct stickies and familiarize yourself with a proper pct (post cycle therapy) this will be a crucial part of how well you retain your gains.
good luck,
mb

[rockhorse]

the problem i have is when i eat more, my lower stomach balloons like crazy !

[MBMETC]

carbs more than likely causing water im the same way

[rockhorse]

what do you do to fight this then ? carbs are everywhere !..

[Fetch]

You need to eat more. Check the Diet forum out, it's good info.
Test E or Test C. 500 Mg/Week split into 2 injections. (Monday/Thursday works) A 250 Mg/Ml bottle of Test E is common, so you will be injecting 1 mL twice a week at that dosage. Just do the simple math with whatever your bottle says.

[songdog]

Test e or c will be fine at 400 mgs.Dont do 2 compounds.Beacuse if you have a reaction you wont know which one it is.Get a good pct and good luck.Oh a good diet is a must.Hit the diet section.

[rockhorse]

ill hit the diet section again...i understand everything about eating more..just need to plan this ahead and make it happen..

ok as a 1st cycle, is this good..test C + (if i understood correctly) AI to control water retention right ?(wich one is best, arimidex or aromasin) + novaldex for after cycle of test is done..

again thanks all..

[Fetch]

Arimidex is good. Keep it on hand, you may not need it. You want both Clomid and Nolvadex for after cycle PCT.