Opinions and advice needed!!

[aussie_luke]

hey guys been on this forum for a few years now just reading and trying to take in as much info i can n now after some opinions and advice. i have done 2 cycles

1st cycle: 120mgs prop EOD for 10weeks, gained 10kg kept almost 100% of it
2nd cycle: i started at 120mgs prop EOD for 10weeks and tren a started at 100mgs EOD for 8weeks, gained 5/6 kgs kept 100% so far

After about 1month of still feeling nothing more then what i did on my 1st prop only cycle i decided to up the tren to 120mgs EOD, still felt nothing! so over the next few weeks i worked my way up too 160mgs EOD, the only difference i seen was for a couple of days got a few more pimples on back/shoulders then usual. also when i stopped the tren at week at the following 2 weeks of prop only i felt no different

my 1st cycle i got a bit of bloat n needed to throw some adex in, with the 2nd cycle the bloat was very minimal compared to the 1st cycle, i am convinced my tren was fake or very very underdosed, id like to run tren/prop again for my next cycle but now confused on how much tren to start with?

does it sound like my tren was fake? should i have felt more from 160mgs then i did?

[eGGz]

Yes you should have felt a lot from 160mg tren EOD.
Sounds like bunk gear to me.

[lil_herc81]

I will second the bunk gear. But!!! did you have any strength gains? was your diet in check? and were you training like an animal? A lot of people think that you just inject and grow, this is somewhat true but realistically you need a lot to go with the gear to get there. A lot of users get the placebo effect after beginning and really find strength gains before gear kicks in. Im curious if maybe you are doubting your gear and your training fell victim. Either is possible.

[aussie_luke]

no, i train extremely hard, i have alot of guys from the gym who have commented on how me and my training partner train so im 110% my training is fine, as for my diet i was still eating between 500 to 1000 cals everday above my maintaince, protein is always around 350/400 and same for carbs, i did get stronger but nothing more then when i did on my 1st prop only cycle, i did alot of reading and research on tren befor i used it n it sounded from peoples experiences that tren was a very very very powerful drug, perhaps i just expected to much from it?? from the way guys talked it up.. but if what i felt/seen is all tren will give me their would be no point wasting money on it again to feel no different to a test only cycle but hopefuly this isnt the case and my gear was just bunk!!

[lifteatsleep]

I reckon the Tren is fake/underdosed. What sort of Tren is it, there are some fake batches going around in Aus.

Becuase when i ran prop, I had good strength gains. Tren is another ball game all togther, the strength/lean gains are on a completely different level. You notice yourself getting bigger/leaner and strength goes through the roof.

[aussie_luke]

it was tren ace mate, 200mgs/ml, yes i definatly didnt notice any of that!! very disapointed