when to know enough is enough?

[kluska399]

ive just been reading on this forum a lot and know the average mg of what type of testosterones and shit like that..500-2000mg/week have been the biggest range ive seen.. but then when you read a professionals it says 5,000mg and then an oral

my question is -- how do these pros know that they cant hangle 6,000? or 7,000? or even 15,000? im wondering what the signs are that this is the most that you can go.. how do they know thats the maximum? dorian yates was the best of the best and his cycle says 5,000mg and he probably felt fine.. why didnt he try 10,000mg???

thanks for any answers!

[Juice Authority]

Is this a serious question?

[JohnnyVegas]

Law of diminishing returns. Twice the drugs doesn't bring twice the benefits, and eventually the down side outweighs the benefits.

They know what works for them the way we all get good at things...practice, practice, practice.

[Juice Authority]

Law of diminishing returns. Twice the drugs doesn't bring twice the benefits, and eventually the down side outweighs the benefits.

They know what works for them the way we all get good at things...practice, practice, practice.

And to add to that, sometimes actually REDUCING your dose leads to better gains.

[kluska399]

yes its a serious question. im not trying to say theyre stupid im asking because id like to know when i know how much is too much. obviously 5,000mg worked best for dorian but im wondering how he knew that 10,000 didnt work better

[Juice Authority]

yes its a serious question. im not trying to say theyre stupid im asking because id like to know when i know how much is too much. obviously 5,000mg worked best for dorian but im wondering how he knew that 10,000 didnt work better

More isn't always better. The body has only some many receptor sites. Overloading the body with testosterone produces more sides than benefits. I think another point that is often misunderstood that needs clarification is that AR mutation only occurs in cancerous lines. There's no such thing as AR mutations in response to drugs.

[MBMETC]

yes its a serious question. im not trying to say theyre stupid im asking because id like to know when i know how much is too much. obviously 5,000mg worked best for dorian but im wondering how he knew that 10,000 didnt work better

it's getting to know your body and how you react to steroids which takes time and multible cycles. if you do your first cycle and keep it to one compound (test only) and run a consrvitive dose you will learn how this affects your body and growth, do that a couple of times and you'll start to understand your body and when you will need to add more.
hope this helps
mb

[Far from massive]

I can't speak for Dorian or anyone else but as said experience and an open mind to learn (and knowing how to surround yourself with the right people and week out the frauds) and then modify what one has learned, is the best teacher. Different drugs have different sides and I am sure over time the pros learn what sides are caused by what quantities and what compounds can offset them without hindering gains etc. Its probably a fairly ( joke actually VERY) difficult thing balancing the dosages and combinations of drugs to achieve gains, recomps, and hit target dates at peak form. When you are just doing one show a year this is probably hard enough but to try to balance the thing out so that you can qualify at a couple of prelims and then peak at the O while maintaining a given form for routine publicity work....Well I guess thats why not everyone in the gym with total commitment, great genetics, deep wallet and a love of big juicin makes it as a PRO.

[JohnnyVegas]

It is the same with any drug. Different doses do different things, not necessarily more of the same thing.

A couple of pain killers = less pain

More pain killers = get high

More pain killers = death

[marcus300]

I've done very high dose cycles in my younger day and there comes a point were sides outweigh the benefits,

[karen]

I've done very high dose cycles in my younger day and there comes a point were sides outweigh the benefits,

what do you consider high dosages?

[kluska399]

thank you thank you thank you. you've all been extremely helpful. thanks for the great responses