High Dose TRT

[119gold]

This is completely hypothetical, purely educational..


What's to stop you from running a higher dose of test, say 300mg, per week? If you continued to do this in the TRT fashion, would your levels stay high as long as youre on..or would there be any ramifications? Of course this would be in the later years, when your test is already going down..

again this is just something i was curious about

[dec11]

tht isnt trt, too high

[Bonaparte]

Well, you'd just be running a weak cycle for years on end. What exactly are you asking?

[Ashop]

After numerous testing we have ran TRT dosages are about 100mg every 5-7 days. This keeps your test on the higher end of 'normal'.

[Far from massive]

I think this is going to be a big problem with a lot of these so called HRT clinics that are prescribing high doses of Test along with off label use of things like Deca, Stanozolol, Oxandrolone, etc. I am no doctor but its my understanding that using a dose of test that results in levels which are supraphysiologic has a lot of ramifications and a negative effect on health is to be expected. The same holds true for any long term usage of most other hormones, while you may get good results initally by adding other compounds to the therapy the long term usage of these foriegn substances will cause undesirable changes in blood work etc.

In addition to these problems I also fear that in a few years the powers that be will be closing these HRT clinics down as rapidly as they have been closing down doctors writing huge scripts of pain meds. This will leave the patients in a terrible quandry, while doctors will feel empathy toward their situation they will not be able to write scripts for the dosages and combinations of compounds to which their bodies have become accustomed to over the years.

FFM

[Bonaparte]

I think this is going to be a big problem with a lot of these so called HRT clinics that are prescribing high doses of Test along with off label use of things like Deca, Stanozolol, Oxandrolone, etc. I am no doctor but its my understanding that using a dose of test that results in levels which are supraphysiologic has a lot of ramifications and a negative effect on health is to be expected. The same holds true for any long term usage of most other hormones, while you may get good results initally by adding other compounds to the therapy the long term usage of these foriegn substances will cause undesirable changes in blood work etc.

In addition to these problems I also fear that in a few years the powers that be will be closing these HRT clinics down as rapidly as they have been closing down doctors writing huge scripts of pain meds. This will leave the patients in a terrible quandry, while doctors will feel empathy toward their situation they will not be able to write scripts for the dosages and combinations of compounds to which their bodies have become accustomed to over the years.
FFM

Luckily that isn't an issue, since there is no physical dependence with AAS. So long as you have a physiological level of test in your system, you'll be fine. Sure, they might lose a bit of mass and whatnot when their doses are reduced, but the body will compensate and adjust to the lower dose (making it more effective) just as it does the opposite when you stay on high doses for extended periods of time.

[dece870717]

Test e at around 150mg/wk would put ur test levels in the 800-900ng range, the upper limit of the high end. My ugl test at 200mg/wk puts me at 1300ng. Thing with having supra levels of test, is that over time, your RBC, hemoglobin, and hemotacrit will slowly elevate, and when those get too high, you become a high risk for getting a stroke and/or blood clot. So if you're crusing or TRTing on supra levels of test, blood tests should be done periodically and most likely blood should be given periodically to get those blood levels normalized.

[the judge]

depending on age 300mg isnt too high.im in my 40s and take 200mg ew as per docs intstructions my old man in his 60s takes 350mg ew as per docs script.

[MBMETC]

trt is supposed to be theraputic, not anabolic.

[Times Roman]

long term trt needs to be low to stabilize rbc and hemoglobin

if you incease beyond 100mg ew "forever", then you increase the chance of health risks

pick one or the other....... cycle at higher dose, or trt at lower dose

[Times Roman]

depending on age 300mg isnt too high.im in my 40s and take 200mg ew as per docs intstructions my old man in his 60s takes 350mg ew as per docs script.

Everyone is different. BUT, what do your blood panels look like, hemoglobin and rbc, etc.?

[marcus300]

long term trt needs to be low to stabilize rbc and hemoglobin

if you incease beyond 100mg ew "forever", then you increase the chance of health risks

pick one or the other....... cycle at higher dose, or trt at lower dose

Agreed ^^ there will be health issues running high dose hrt for long periods of time. Normally hrt is around 100-150mgs per week more or less, either cycle on and off your hrt or stick with low dose hrt.

[Far from massive]

From what I know of TRT I agree completly with what the judge says, it really does not matter how much Test you are taking what matters is the blood levels that it produces. For some this may be 0mg per wk for others 400mg as long as free test is kept within normal physioligic range the results will be fine.

What I was talking about was these clinics that are popping up like zits on a 13 year old that prescribe huge amounts of various anabolics to people in their thirties. Most of them operate off bloodwork sent by the internet with no real patient interaction with full knowlege that substitution of a friend to give blood and manipulation of test levels through steroid usage etc. are becoming common ways to manipulate results.


However reading what Marcus has said I may have to do more research?

[meathead320]

I think the baisc question is "what happens if you cruise at 300mg EW for years on end".

Well, I think the biggest risk is that your RBC is going to get way too high.

That specific side can be handled with giving blood every 60 days. If it is a legal script you have they do not care about testosterone. The clinic I go to does not care, so long as its doctor perscribed, its not on their ban list. They explained that the amount in the blood stream from one IM shot is still not going to amount to much in one pint of blood. Even at a higher dose, like 300mg EW it still is hardly anything in 1 pint of circulating blood.

If you are planning a long cruise just keep in mind that a lot of guys who have done that will NEED real TRT once done. Long term shutdown CAN be permenent.

IF you can keep your blood pressure normal, with diet and enough cardio, donate blood on a regular basis, and get blood work done regularly AND are ok with the prospect of being on TRT forever once you get done cruising however long that is, then go ahead.

Just make sure you are not one of the guys who just keeps pinning himself over and over thinking "I'm fine so far" while his blood is slowly but surely getting thick like yogurt.

[Duckhombre]

What is the agreed upon cutoff limit between hrt and being on? I vote less than 200mg/week.
I know man who says " I'm off for now, just cruising, at 500mg," I argue that he is still on, just on less.
My hrt is 125mg, and I have made the commitment to stay there for at least six months a year.
Nobody mentions cardivascular congestion, ie, plaque build up, which may be accelerated by high androgens. Cardio disease is likely kill almost half of us anyway, don't push it.

[Honkey_Kong]

This is completely hypothetical, purely educational..


What's to stop you from running a higher dose of test, say 300mg, per week? If you continued to do this in the TRT fashion, would your levels stay high as long as youre on..or would there be any ramifications? Of course this would be in the later years, when your test is already going down..

again this is just something i was curious about

I don't quite get what you're asking. You mean what if instead of 100mg, you injected yourself with 300? You probably would run your script out early all because you decided to run a weak cycle. Then when you try to refill it, they'll be like "no you have to wait until next month." Good idea there.

But let's pretend the doctors upped your dose, 300mg isn't exactly a bodybuilding dose. You'd probably put just a couple extra pounds on all while really subjecting yourself to the risks involved with higher than normal testosterone doses.

If your goal from being put on TRT is to get gear, you're sadly mistaken. You'll still need to get illegal gear if you want to run cycles.

[the judge]

it took 6months or better for my doc to establish that dose...........started at 100mg and kept going up 20mg bloodwork after bloodwork until my t-level was at the high end of the scale.same for the old man........how would that be considered anabolic if that is what the body requires to be at a normal level.

[Far from massive]

I think people really have a lot of trouble with this, how ones body responds to an added hormone is a very dynamic thing and age and physical condition will play into the scenario. As said before 100mg may be a great start point and 90% of people may fall into the upper 10 percentile range on a blood test on that amount. That does not mean that the guy who is at 1300 on 100 does not need to reduce his dosage any more than it means that someone who is on 200 and has blood work stay at 500 can not safely increase to 250 or even 300 if that is required to get him to the upper 10 percentile.

Just my 2 cents.