Hypogonadism

[DRAMBRO]

I think I have Hypogandism based on my side effects and being on estrogen related steroids for awhile

i have an appt monday

is this permanent??


is this something that can be reversed??

i hear alot about treating it with TRT,,,,but for how long?

please advise

[n00bs]

if you did any search you would realise testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy is to replace testosterone.. It is for life.

[Swifto]

Why do you have side effects? Genetics?

Primary or secondary hypogonadism?

Sorry, I didnt catch that "think". Why?

Bloodwork?

[Swifto]

if you did any search you would realise testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy is to replace testosterone.. It is for life.

If you actually read his sentence it asks about treating HRT/TRT cow boy.

[n00bs]

If you actually read his sentence it asks about treating HRT/TRT cow boy.

Originally Posted by DRAMBRO
I hear alot about treating it with TRT,,,,but for how long?

Well he thinks he has hypogonadism the first thing if he looked it up was he would see proper TRT is life time. Kick starts are not and they are not TRT

[DRAMBRO]

Well he thinks he has hypogonadism the first thing if he looked it up was he would see proper TRT is life time. Kick starts are not and they are not TRT

swifto

my cycle was 12 weeks

250 sust...250 tren....shot twice a week with .025 caber twice a week


felt great on cycle

for PCT

did clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20 /20 ///thats 4 weeks total


once the PCT stopped...my libido stopped

havent had a good ereection in 2 ,months..EVEN WITH CIALIS


test levels came back at 384.
i have a mtg with urologist on monday to go over my options



I TAKE A LEVITRA and nothing

i am constanly pissisng and my penis apppears to have shrunken...all signs of hypgandism...


cant believe 2 bottles of tren may have ****ed me up for life

[n00bs]

Penis doesnt usually shrink..

DO you have e2 or any other blood test levels.

[DRAMBRO]

stupid pcp only ordered 3 tests

prolactin which came up <1.0 L normal range 2.0 to 18.0 ng/ml
test 384 normal should be 241 to 847 BUT BEING 30,,,i should be in the 700s
estrradiol 30 range 13 to 54 pg/ml

[n00bs]

Do you know if your levels were good before hand?

[DRAMBRO]

never had bloood work but im guesssin my test was higher

always had a high sex drive

didnt do enough test to combat the tren

did caber to fight off the prolactin but i think i needede hcg for pct,,,instead i just did clomid n nolva..>A ROOKIE MISTAKE

it was my 1st cycle

[layeazy]

first cycle unusual but i suppose can happen we all react different see a professional for sure

[DRAMBRO]

i think the ratio of tren to test over 12 weeeks is what screwed me based on feedback...
plus after a 12 wk cycle, shouldve done hcg

my 50 clomid n 40 nolva wasnt enuff

[Swifto]

I......Have.... Told......You

[DRAMBRO]

i know swifto

im just torn because i have the urologist appt monday


do i scrap whatever he says and go with the protocal u laid out

or is there a chance he may give me a script for something that may also address this issue, etc

[Flier]

I......Have.... Told......You

Tell the rest of us.
Might be good info to have on hand.
Thanks

[Flier]

"havent had a good ereection in 2 ,months..EVEN WITH CIALIS"

Cialis doesen´t cause an erection. It only helps you to relax the arteries leading to the penis, enhancing the bloodflow.
However you still need to be stimulated in a convential way....ass, tits. If this doesen´t turn u on due to low libido....no erection, even w cialis.
Also...EVen if Cialis enhances the bloodflow TO the penis, u still need to shut off the flow FROM the penis.
The floodgates open once u have an orgasm...or if u are stressed,the release of adrenaline will inhibit the closure of blood exiting, so u will never have an erection. Or if you are starting to have an erection, and starting to STRESS over it because it doesen´t grow fast enough, or you get afraid it won´t grow, or u get upset at your little friend....u will release adrenaline, and erection will never happend.....ie, performance anxiety.

So...don´t start to stress over this, and stay away from the pill. Relax and let nature put things back in order. It takes several months for the body to reach equilibrium after the major f...up we do to it after AAS.

[Flier]

Penis doesnt usually shrink..

DO you have e2 or any other blood test levels.

Yes, the penis actually shrink, and will appear smaller than normal in flacid state. Natural reaction to stress. A protective response of the body to retract the penis and testicles under times of stress, the direct result of adrenaline released in the body.
Sinalfa (Terazosin), an Alpha-blocker will block the action of adrenaline, and the penis and testies will drop to normal size unaffected of the stress accompanied with anxiety, work, or whatever.

[Flier]

i think the ratio of tren to test over 12 weeeks is what screwed me based on feedback...
plus after a 12 wk cycle, shouldve done hcg

my 50 clomid n 40 nolva wasnt enuff

SHit, I´m talkative today....2 cups of coffee, to my normal dose which is 1...sorry.
Your PCT is more than enuff.
You really can´t "feel" if it´s enuff.
BW is the only way to tell, and if your Pituary is back at work releasing LH into the bloodstream, at normal levels, your PCT did the job.
The fact that your test came back at 384 (how long after PCT) is a signal that you´re back in business...low, yes, but be patient, nature is at work, and nature is perfect, perfection takes time, be patient.

[DRAMBRO]

FIRST TIMER 42..

i appreciate ur professional and mature response

the question I have for u is since i have been shutdown for 2 months

goin this long without sex is takin a tolll on me

do u agree that HCG with Clomid and Nolva even at this late date may speed up my recovery

[marcus300]

FIRST TIMER 42..

i appreciate ur professional and mature response

the question I have for u is since i have been shutdown for 2 months

goin this long without sex is takin a tolll on me

do u agree that HCG with Clomid and Nolva even at this late date may speed up my recovery

If its only been 2 months so there could be a big chance you can still recover, tren can prolong recovery and in some cases go on for months after the cycle, I would do an aggressive pct protocol and see if you can recovery, then if you cant you will need to seek hrt therapy which will be for life so IMHO try to recover first before hrt.

[Flier]

Shut down? What do you mean? your test is at 384! When was that blood drawn?
You WERE shut down. If your test now is 384 your Pituary is no longer shut down.
If I were you, before anything else, I would have blood drawn once per week, 8 am, same day every week, starting now. One BW tells u nuttin. And you need to see Test, SHBG, Free Test, Estro, LH and FSH. Then let´s see if you can establish a trend. Let´s say if your LH is 3/3.3/3.6.....and Test 384/390/420.......would u then f... with it? No! So no more f...... around with meds until u figure out what´s really going on.
By the way, level with your Endo, Doc, or Uro. You will communicate so much better.
I will myself be drawing blood every 2 weeks on my cycle, and continue during and after PCT until back to normal. This will tell me how my body is recovering so I don´t have to guess.
Just seeing a slight improvement in your hormone balance week after week will take a lot of your anxiety away, and just by that, you might start to feel some flood filling your penis (and staying) again.
Now, if u really are shut down, which I don´t believe, do what Marcus says. But u are far away from any HRT! Many options for kickstarting the pituary before considering HRT. One study shows, ONE injection of Triptorelin kickstarted test production in subjects that was shut down for years. You have many options.

[Swifto]

Your HPTA is not shut down as stated above.

Your estrogen is a little high and if I had you on anything, I'd probably have you on Aromasin 10mg/ED and it will change the Androgen:Estrogen ratio, there fore raising endogenous testosterone. I'd go with 3-4 doses of 20-25mg/ED, then 10mg/ED and get BW done 3-4 weeks into this.

If that doesnt work, do an aggressive PCT and get BW taken 4-5 weeks after it finishes.

You may need HRT if all that fails and your not happy with where your TT is.

[DRAMBRO]

i appreciate all this advice

im guessin monday at urologist, i should request to have ALL my levels takin, not just prolactin, estradiol and test, etc

i know FHS and LH , etc need to be looked at before being treated


its just crazy that for someone who was as horney as me everyday to go 10 weeks without an erection..etc

my dick looks like its dead..lol......feel so bad for the lil guys

[n00bs]

Thats like saying Viagramakes your penis bigger.. It may appear bigger because of blood flow however the penis has not grown In size,there is no structural change in connective tissue..

Say reason with why it hasn't " shrunk" ..

[DRAMBRO]

Thats like saying Viagramakes your penis bigger.. It may appear bigger because of blood flow however the penis has not grown In size,there is no structural change in connective tissue..

Say reason with why it hasn't " shrunk" ..

OK guys....gonna get ALL LEVELS TESTED MONDAY AT UROLOGISTS

then based on the results either go with his plan of attack or

break open my HCG..do it for 10 days

then Follow it up with Some Clomid and Nolva for a month


i just want my dick back to normal....no one can beleive i havent had a ****in hard on in 2 months...no libido, no sex drive..NOTHIN

[DRAMBRO]

OK guys....gonna get ALL LEVELS TESTED MONDAY AT UROLOGISTS

then based on the results either go with his plan of attack or

break open my HCG..do it for 10 days

then Follow it up with Some Clomid and Nolva for a month


i just want my dick back to normal....no one can beleive i havent had a ****in hard on in 2 months...no libido, no sex drive..NOTHIN

even though my test came back st 384, is there a chance..im shutdown

384 seems awfully low for a healthy 30 yr old who works out everyday...6ft 190lbs ..etc

[Flier]

Come on...by now u know age, weight, workout routine has nothing to do with your test level.

My test is the same as yours, slowly increasing.

Nov 19 it was 248.

[DRAMBRO]

Come on...by now u know age, weight, workout routine has nothing to do with your test level.

My test is the same as yours, slowly increasing.

Nov 19 it was 248.

FirstTimer 42,

Are u having issues with ED??

and i know test and libido go hand and hand

is there a certain test level that can b viewed as a marker for low libido/ed issues , etc

for ex....is it possible, under 400 puts someone at risk for impotence, etc

[n00bs]

It also has to do with other hormones and neurotransmitters.. It is very complicated.

[DRAMBRO]

It also has to do with other hormones and neurotransmitters.. It is very complicated.

N00bs,,

do u think my issues are something the UROLOGIST may be able to address with a full dose of bloood work

depending on the results for example, if a FSH or LH level is outta wack, is there something they can prescribe

as for neurotransmitters.....how are they usually diagnosed for a problem


I know i sound like a broken record and I apologize ut goin on 10 weeks with no libido and no ability to geta FULL erection is makin me nuts

[Flier]

[QUOTE=DRAMBRO;5523784]FirstTimer 42,

Are u having issues with ED??

and i know test and libido go hand and hand


Dude, leave my dick out of this....hehe..just kidding.
Yes I do.....but the first time was when I was 20, and then maybe like once per year, but when it happend it was always first time with a new girl, so prob anxiety of some form. until early thirties when it got worse, and I started looking into it.
But related to this thread....u don´t need normal test level to have normal erection. Your test level is fine. But like said before, if your SHBG is high, and binding all your test....u have nothing floating around (free test), then test might be the problem. You will have to wait and find out. HPTA caused ED is very rare, so I suspect there is something else...and there could be sooo much. Stress, energy supplements, anxiety, blood sugar, alcohol, nikotin, cocaine, weed, subconcious trauma.....Too much of coincidence?.....well the cycle you did could just have been a trigger, just as someone takes 1 pill ecstasy and ends up in a lifelong psycosis. Not because of 1 pill of exctasy, but what that 1 pill triggered.
Best u can do is not to worry, wait for BW to come back. Maybe BW will give u the answer.

[Flier]

oh....
and when my test level was at 248, my erection wasn´t much different, but my libido was low as a result of feeling just like crap I guess

[DRAMBRO]

oh....
and when my test level was at 248, my erection wasn´t much different, but my libido was low as a result of feeling just like crap I guess

Hypothetically, if my SHBG is high, and binding to all my test....how is that usuallly addressed by a physicam??

anyone know

[Flier]

Many ways of lowering SHBG.
Since SHBG is a function of Estrogen, lowering estrogen will lower SHBG....using an AI like Aromasin.
Raising your test level will lower SHBG.
IGF-1 and Insulin will do the same.
If your Estrogen and SHBG is high, I would thing 30 days on .25 ED Aromasin or A-dex would be a great start.

[n00bs]

depends how high and why.. Lowering e2 lowers shbg and increasing test decreases shbg.

[DRAMBRO]

THANKS GUYS!!!


i have a feelin this is the problem

the tren didnt touch my prolactin but have a feeling it really screwed up my SHBG