catching flack!!!!

[fishizzle0927]

since becoming a member and posting my stats with my current research tren e @500mgs a wk and tbol @ 40 mgs a day. i have been advised by many vets/ seniors to add some test to that current research and have recently acquired 8ml of sust 250.... i have 7 weeks of research will 250 mgs of sust be a sufficient additive? please feel free to elaborate....

[Ernst]

Sorry, but I don't remember seeing any of your previous posts. Would you please throw up stats and cycle experience? What is your proposed cycle and pct?

Generally speaking any cycle benefits from a test base. 250mg/wk is a perfectly sufficient base.

[JohnnyVegas]

I keep hearing that you should run more Test than Tren, although there is a thread where they are arguing about it...was that your thread? If you want to run 500mg Tren, and equal amount of Test and 40mg/day of Tbol, that is 1280mg/week. That seems heavy. How many cycles have you run?

I just want to make sure you don't get caught up in adding Test while maybe pushing your cycle too far.

Cute dog!

[dec11]

I keep hearing that you should run more Test than Tren, although there is a thread where they are arguing about it...was that your thread? If you want to run 500mg Tren, and equal amount of Test and 40mg/day of Tbol, that is 1280mg/week. That seems heavy. How many cycles have you run?

I just want to make sure you don't get caught up in adding Test while maybe pushing your cycle too far.

Cute dog!

you're hearing wrong mate. alot tout that on the board. as long as you are injecting an amount of test above your baseline you are fine

[fishizzle0927]

you're hearing wrong mate. alot tout that on the board. as long as you are injecting an amount of test above your baseline you are fine

thats what ive read just wanted a lil insurance.

[fishizzle0927]

I keep hearing that you should run more Test than Tren, although there is a thread where they are arguing about it...was that your thread? If you want to run 500mg Tren, and equal amount of Test and 40mg/day of Tbol, that is 1280mg/week. That seems heavy. How many cycles have you run?

I just want to make sure you don't get caught up in adding Test while maybe pushing your cycle too far.

Cute dog!

was thinkn bout dropping the tbol all together.......

[JohnnyVegas]

you're hearing wrong mate. alot tout that on the board. as long as you are injecting an amount of test above your baseline you are fine

Gotcha...and I read that in the thread I mentioned. I haven't really formed a final opinion because I am not running Tren. How do you know your baseline? Normally I wouldn't hijack a thread with my own question, but it seems relevant to the original question.

[carp123]

500mgs of tren is a heavy dose ,no need to start at that ,300mgs per week is a great starting point for tren ,start low and build up with tren not stright in at the deep end ,as for the the test you could do with getting more in but if you cant then you will just have try and work around with what you have ,its not ideal but lets see .

weeks 1-10 200mgs sust per week

weeks 1-9 300mgs tren e per week

it seems you have limited access to gear so what about your pct? hcg is recomened on cycle while useing 19nor steroids (tren/deca)

if it were me i would wait untill you find a good source and get more test and do the following

weeks 1-12 500mgs test per week

weeks 1-10 300mgs tren e per week

hcg on cycle at 400iu per week

nolvadex/clomid pct..

[songdog]

That is right.I thought you had to run the same.But some good vets and mods set met stright.You also need to run the tren at least 2 weeksw longer.

[dec11]

Gotcha...and I read that in the thread I mentioned. I haven't really formed a final opinion because I am not running Tren. How do you know your baseline? Normally I wouldn't hijack a thread with my own question, but it seems relevant to the original question.

basically shoot 100mg pw to be safely around baseline, ave. male produces 30-70mg natty test pw

[fishizzle0927]

Sorry, but I don't remember seeing any of your previous posts. Would you please throw up stats and cycle experience? What is your proposed cycle and pct?

Generally speaking any cycle benefits from a test base. 250mg/wk is a perfectly sufficient base.

29 6'1" 245 15-18%bf
train 10 years
3 cycles that included sust test c p e var clen deca fina....
got nolva and clomid

[dec11]

That is right.I thought you had to run the same.But some good vets and mods set met stright.You also need to run the tren at least 2 weeksw longer.

man, no!!!! test neds to be run 2wks longer than tren

[dec11]

29 6'1" 245 15-18%bf
train 10 years
3 cycles that included sust test c p e var clen deca fina....
got nolva and clomid

as in finaplix? if so, that is tren

[stack_it]

Gotcha...and I read that in the thread I mentioned. I haven't really formed a final opinion because I am not running Tren. How do you know your baseline? Normally I wouldn't hijack a thread with my own question, but it seems relevant to the original question.

Bloodwork while off cycle and fully recovered. If you're on trt then your baseline would be your weekly dose I'm guessing.

[sixoner]

i think he meant 2 weeks longer than the 7 he mentioned in original post. because of the ester. not 2 weeks longer that test

[fishizzle0927]

500mgs of tren is a heavy dose ,no need to start at that ,300mgs per week is a great starting point for tren ,start low and build up with tren not stright in at the deep end ,as for the the test you could do with getting more in but if you cant then you will just have try and work around with what you have ,its not ideal but lets see .

weeks 1-10 200mgs sust per week

weeks 1-9 300mgs tren e per week

it seems you have limited access to gear so what about your pct? hcg is recomened on cycle while useing 19nor steroids (tren/deca)

if it were me i would wait untill you find a good source and get more test and do the following

weeks 1-12 500mgs test per week

weeks 1-10 300mgs tren e per week

hcg on cycle at 400iu per week

nolvadex/clomid pct..

already 3 wks deep with the tren tbol. have the mentioned pct. gona drop the tbol and administer 250mgs wk wks 4-12....

[dec11]

i think he meant 2 weeks longer than the 7 he mentioned in original post. because of the ester. not 2 weeks longer that test

he was talking about 7wks of researching in the 1st post wasnt he? im getting confused now

[fishizzle0927]

he was talking about 7wks of researching in the 1st post wasnt he? im getting confused now

originally had ten wk cycle.
wk1&2 200 mgs tren e 40 mgs tbol
wks3-10 500mgs tren e 40 mgs tbol

now im dropping the tbol and introducing sust @ 250 mgs wks 4-12 taking me two weeks past the tren.... make better sense?

[dec11]

originally had ten wk cycle.
wk1&2 200 mgs tren e 40 mgs tbol
wks3-10 500mgs tren e 40 mgs tbol

now im dropping the tbol and introducing sust @ 250 mgs wks 4-12 taking me two weeks past the tren.... make better sense?

yes and you need to have a clue what you are doing before you do anymore cycling. hav you even got a pct?

[carp123]

poorly planed cycle ,somewhat of a mess if you ask me.

[fishizzle0927]

nolva and clomid.

i had an idea, just took advice on the fly bro relax...... i did what was suggested

[fishizzle0927]

you guys have to realize that there are other ppl out there that give advice. and maybe what i got wasnt correct. and so that being said i did further research and extended my knowledge and made a minor change, for the better.

here to take advice and make friends not argue.....

[sixoner]

thats what I got out of everything bro.

he's good people just like a lot of the guys on here they don't want to see anybody get trashed on gear.

[fishizzle0927]

understood. thats why i took the advice

[MACHINE5150]

my buddy just gained 7-8kg and lost 3" on his waist with 350mg tren e and 600mg test. it was his 10th cycle.. so 350mg of tren is like 500mg or more of test.. 500mg is more than you need imo.. as dec said you only need a small amount of test.. my mate ran it cause he already had it and it doesn't hurt to do more, but it is not necessary.

[fishizzle0927]

my buddy just gained 7-8kg and lost 3" on his waist with 350mg tren e and 600mg test. it was his 10th cycle.. so 350mg of tren is like 500mg or more of test.. 500mg is more than you need imo.. as dec said you only need a small amount of test.. my mate ran it cause he already had it and it doesn't hurt to do more, but it is not necessary.

sounds good the weight will come for sure. the 3" on the waist would be huge!