18 year old needing a diet for bodybuilding mass!!!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

hey guys im new to the site and im ive really been into bodybuilding but i want others help if you would like, im willing to undertake nething needed and all constructive criticism. i have pics in my post in the new members section if you want to know exactly what your working with. but i am totally committed to this and would love the best of help! im currently massing right now and plan on competing in the fall while ill still be in the teen divisions because i turn 19 in the fall. thanks guys!!!!

[SlimmerMe]

Hi ButterG.....welcome here!

The guys here are pros with a great heart.

For them to help you get started, please post up what you eat and how much and when you eat. Then they can review your diet and help improve it.

PS: to the trainers.....I think ButterG is very eager to learn with dedication
GOOD LUCK!

[SlimmerMe]

Also: BG, for short, you might want to post your photos here too....it will help

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Hi ButterG.....welcome here!

The guys here are pros with a great heart.

For them to help you get started, please post up what you eat and how much and when you eat. Then they can review your diet and help improve it.

PS: to the trainers.....I think ButterG is very eager to learn with dedication
GOOD LUCK!

alrighty!!! thanks alot for your support slimmer! ill get pics up then a sample of what i ate today

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

[SlimmerMe]

alrighty!!! thanks alot for your support slimmer! ill get pics up then a sample of what i ate today

you are most welcome....I am thinking....BUG for short? or do you like BG? there is already a BG here but room for 2!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

heres before photos of me

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

ok im a college student who only gets work once in a while so money is tight. but neways i normally shoot for just as much protein as i can but eat the beast carbs i can and low on the fat.
i drink at least a gallon of water a day
today i woke up a little alte so i drank a glass of v8 fusion and ate 6 vegetable egge rolls and a bowl (1c)of plain oatmeal( 6g protein each)
was in class and ate 2 meal replacement protein bars during class then ate a large wheat black angus steak sandwhich from quiznos with a cup of v8 fusion
worked out drank a 50g protein shake
ate 20 plain wings with oatmeal(.75c)
8 oz. chiken breast with 2 slices of wheat bread.

if you would like i can try and be more specific all u need to do is ask and ill do my best but this is a sample and what i ate today
sorry if u think its crap lol but im trying and im asking for help please
also note that today is still goin on and i have more plain wings to eat when i get hungry

[musclestack]

Judging by the pics, I wouldn't worry about bulking anymore. It looks like you put on a lot of mass since the before pics (bf included). As far as competing, I think you actually look much better in the first pics. I would reevaluate your goals....JMO. Good luck, bro!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

I understand but when i cut down ill be at least 50 pounds bigger then before and im sure thatll help when competeing. in the leaner pic i weighed 135 now i weigh 237.

[baseline_9]

U need to cut man

Get working on a cutting diet and routine and we will help u fine tune it

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

alrighty bro. so would u say a leaner mass diet is a bad idea?

[baseline_9]

alrighty bro. so would u say a leaner mass diet is a bad idea?

Yes, bad idea

I dont care what anyone says with added muscle there is added fat no matter how clean ur diet is

AAS and pep's will obviously reduce the fat gain or ever reduce overall BF but that is another topic up for debate

Any size you gain will only apear as..... well bulk/fat because ur BF is already fairly high.

You need to get lean ans then begin to gain weight slowly. Adding good gains over a long period of time is the only way to look good and stop you from yo-yo'ing

Get to 10-12% BF and see what u got

Then decide to do a 'lean bulk'

[baseline_9]

M gonna dit u at 22% bodyfat ( im pretty bad at estimating tho TBH )

237 lbs
185 lbs LBM
52 lbs Fat

If you git down to 203 with no muscle loss you would be sitting at 10% BF

In all reality that is highly unlikley IMO, you will loose some LBM

I would hazard a guess and say you need to loose 30-40 lbs before you should consider a 'lean bulk'

[Standby]

ya man cut down to 12-15% again then bulk back up. how this game works bulking is easy a fvck for me sh*t i could eat a weigh loss pill and gain fat i hate it lol but seriously cutting sucks for most you dont want to be so high up you gotta cut 50lbs that would suck

[Standby]

i have pics in my profile if you interested i seeing them i started at 255lbs my newest pic up was 215-218 somewhere in there

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Yes, bad idea

I dont care what anyone says with added muscle there is added fat no matter how clean ur diet is

AAS and pep's will obviously reduce the fat gain or ever reduce overall BF but that is another topic up for debate

Any size you gain will only apear as..... well bulk/fat because ur BF is already fairly high.

You need to get lean ans then begin to gain weight slowly. Adding good gains over a long period of time is the only way to look good and stop you from yo-yo'ing

Get to 10-12% BF and see what u got

Then decide to do a 'lean bulk'

ok i gotcha lol, where do i start?? lol
btw aas is outa the question for years to come lol

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

M gonna dit u at 22% bodyfat ( im pretty bad at estimating tho TBH )

237 lbs
185 lbs LBM
52 lbs Fat

If you git down to 203 with no muscle loss you would be sitting at 10% BF

In all reality that is highly unlikley IMO, you will loose some LBM

I would hazard a guess and say you need to loose 30-40 lbs before you should consider a 'lean bulk'

sounds good bud!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

ya man cut down to 12-15% again then bulk back up. how this game works bulking is easy a fvck for me sh*t i could eat a weigh loss pill and gain fat i hate it lol but seriously cutting sucks for most you dont want to be so high up you gotta cut 50lbs that would suck

lmao damn that blows man, ya is say cuttting that much would be rough

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

i have pics in my profile if you interested i seeing them i started at 255lbs my newest pic up was 215-218 somewhere in there

sweet! ill go chek em out

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

justwent and ate 12 egge whites 4 slices of whole grain toast 1 banana 4 strawberries sum broccoli and a stalk of celery

[FireGuy]

Since you have multiple threads going I am going to copy and paste my comments from the picture thread;

Being you asked for comments. I would be 10x more impressed had your "now" pictures been the "before" pictures and your "before" pictures were your "now" pictures. You went from a lean healthy guy with some decent muscle to someone who is literally obese. I know those are not the words you want to hear but if you want honest assessments you have to be open to critisism. I would suggest getting your diet under control immediately and start a serious cardio schedule.

[FireGuy]

ya man cut down to 12-15% again then bulk back up. how this game works bulking is easy a fvck for me sh*t i could eat a weigh loss pill and gain fat i hate it lol but seriously cutting sucks for most you dont want to be so high up you gotta cut 50lbs that would suck

No offense Standby but this is terrible advice. I am not sure why you think the game works like that but I can assure you it doesnt.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

No offense Standby but this is terrible advice. I am not sure why you think the game works like that but I can assure you it doesnt.

could u give me more correct advice bro? no offense to u standby but all opinions and advice are welcome, i appreciate it tho

[FireGuy]

I commented on your pic thread. Slow and steady muscle gain is where it's add Buttery. The fact that you are open to critisism and are willing to listen to other peoples advice is a great asset and will serve you well in this sport.

[Standby]

Once again see my commet in the picture thread I'd never from any one to get fat

Although it does seem I did say that lol my bad dont know what j was thinking

[gbrice75]

I would be 10x more impressed had your "now" pictures been the "before" pictures and your "before" pictures were your "now" pictures. You went from a lean healthy guy with some decent muscle to someone who is literally obese.

Sorry i'm late to this one Buttery, props for being open and posting up pics etc. I see that Slimmer has you well on your way here at AR!

I couldn't agree more with what everyone has been telling you. You need to drop bodyfat man, there's no doubt about it. You shouldn't even be dreaming of the word bulk right now IMO. You went from 135 to 237, but how much of that was quality mass? You put on ALOT of bodyfat brotha. I'm not saying that to be mean, but one thing we do well here is honesty. FG said it best above....

I commented on your pic thread. Slow and steady muscle gain is where it's add Buttery. The fact that you are open to critisism and are willing to listen to other peoples advice is a great asset and will serve you well in this sport.

Listen to this advice. Plenty of people run the 'bulk/cut/bulk/cut' cycle, I came into this game with the same mentality. More often then not, you bulk and add a bunch of fat and a little bit of muscle (like you did), then you cut and drop a bunch of fat and most of the muscle... when all is said and done you may wind up with a pound or two of muscle.... hardly seems worth putting your body through all that when you could have achieved BETTER results just going slow and steady with a full body recomp.

Look for my progress thread in this section, also look for Baseline's (in the remote trainer sub forum) as I believe you will find ALOT of useful info there.

Good luck!

[SlimmerMe]

Thanks to all above and OP you are in GREAT HANDS HERE..

So it is a consensus that he should have built slowly from his original photo but since he didn't, now what? what is the solution?

[gbrice75]

Thanks to all above and OP you are in GREAT HANDS HERE..

So it is a consensus that he should have built slowly from his original photo but since he didn't, now what? what is the solution?

IMO a diet and cardio routine that at first is focused primarily on blasting bodyfat, and then adjusting slowly to maintaining LBM while continuing to slowly reduce fat. Cardio will play a key role here, he should be doing it 6x a week bare minimum. I'd be doing 2x a day (actually, I am). AM fasted and again PWO. Eat below maintenance but not by much since cardio will be so dialed in.

[gbrice75]

IMO a diet and cardio routine that at first is focused primarily on blasting bodyfat, and then adjusting slowly to maintaining LBM while continuing to slowly reduce fat. Cardio will play a key role here, he should be doing it 6x a week bare minimum. I'd be doing 2x a day (actually, I am). AM fasted and again PWO. Eat below maintenance but not by much since cardio will be so dialed in.

PS - Slimmer, are you trying to frighten people with that avy again? Your pic looked much MUCH better, trust me! =P

[SlimmerMe]

^^^^ sometimes I have to take a break from me, myself and I......

Didn't mean to scare you again...I'll be back sooner than later.....

Thanks for the advice for OP. He seems to have a great attitude.

[gbrice75]

^^^^ sometimes I have to take a break from me, myself and I......

Didn't mean to scare you again...I'll be back sooner than later.....

Thanks for the advice for OP. He seems to have a great attitude.

Wait till I tell Stack It about this... lol

Yes, the OP has a great attitude and should do very well. Buttery, I expect to see great strides made by you sir!

[FireGuy]

Thanks to all above and OP you are in GREAT HANDS HERE..

So it is a consensus that he should have built slowly from his original photo but since he didn't, now what? what is the solution?

Well what's done is done. The best thing you can do now is put together a diet that allows you to lose 1-2 lbs a week until you get under 15% bodyfat MINIMUM. I wouldnt worry too much about BMR or TDEE I would just shoot for around 2800-3300 calories a day right now with a traditional 40-40-20 split. You are also going to have to become very good friends with the various pieces of cardio in your gym. I would aim for 250-300 minutes per week. 6 sessions at 45 minutes each as an example. At this point it really doesnt matter when you do it just as long as you do it. If that amount of cardio doesnt have you losing 1-2lbs per week consistently then you need to drop the calories by 200 per day and continue to adjust until you start dropping weight again. You should be able to lose fat without any major plateaus for quite some time. Once your bodyfat levels get in the 12-14% range you could consider adding in some calories and thinking about slowly adding some muscle onto your frame again. The main thing now is to get you healthy and in shape again. Right now your bodyfat levels are way too high for reasons beyond just cosmetic. That would be my advice for now. Notice nowhere in here did you hear the words "cut" or "bulk". You should do your best to remove those from your vocabulary as well. They serve no purpose to you for your immediate goals.

[SlimmerMe]

^^^more great advice. When he returns, perhaps he should start an entire new thread with a log....what do ya think?

Question: for BGood and anyone else including me.....does it matter which type of cardio is done? as long as the heart rate is up to the cardio level?

[yungone501]

All advice given here on this thread is SOLID!

Op, take heed and you will go far. You have an awesome base to build on once the fat is stripped aeay brotha. Dont give up when the going gets tough and you will be happy of the outcome...i promise. Goodluck to you and hope all goes well.

[stack_it]

Wait till I tell Stack It about this... lol

Yes, the OP has a great attitude and should do very well. Buttery, I expect to see great strides made by you sir!

I've been having nightmares again. The little doll is standing by my bed whispering stack_it in a low creepy voice. I just cover my head and cry myself back to sleep .

I agree he has a great attitude and really hope he sticks with his plan. Would love to see how it turns out.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

TO EVERYONE HELPING
I really really appreciate everything everyone is doing to help me out with this in every way! i really do, this is awesome!!!! I cant wait to do all this!!!! and dont worry ill follow precisely on everything and theres no way in hell im gonna give up!!!! im so ready for this!!!!!! starting now my diet is different and when monday comes around my workouts will change as well!! thank you guys so much!!
like slimmer said should i start a whole new thread? now that im getting my shit straight and in the new thread things can be fine tuned and given more prcisely where needed

[SlimmerMe]

^^^ yep....I would suggest to start an entire new thread come Monday... a real Log of what you are doing: exactly what you are eating, how much and at what time plus your workout/training. And also any emotional/mental challenges which need to be addressed to keep you on track. This way you stay on top of it as well as get guidance along the way from the TEAM here who will help you get to your dream.

I look forward to your progress. It will be a joy to watch unfold.

[Gucks]

u shuld chest out gb's cutting log, his diet would suit you. hope he doesnt mind me posting it:

Gbrice's Current Diet:

protein/carbs/fat/total calories

5am: MEAL 1 - PRE WORKOUT
1 extra large egg, 4 extra large whites - 27/0/5/160
1/2 cup oats - 5/26/2.5/140
1/4 cup blueberries - 0/5/0/20

TOTAL: 32/31/7.5/320

WORKOUT followed by 1 hour of cardio

8am: MEAL 2 - POST WORKOUT
1 Scoop Myofusion - 25/5/3/160
1 Premier Protein Shake - 30/5/3/160
1 cup oats - 10/52/5/280

TOTAL: 65/60/10/600

10am: MEAL 3
6oz broiled tilapia - 35/0/3/165
3/4 cup brown rice - 3/22/1/110
3/4 cup black and red beans - 5/18/1/105

TOTAL: 43/40/4.5/380

1pm: MEAL 4
5oz chicken breast - 34/0/2/140
1/2 cup oats - 5/26/2.5/140
1/4 cup blueberries - 0/5/0/20
2 cups baby spinach - 1.5/1.5/0/10

TOTAL: 40/33/4/310

4pm: MEAL 5
4oz 93/7 lean ground beef - 23/0/9/180
1oz (dry) Barilla Plus Multigrain Pasta - 5/20/1/105

TOTAL: 30/20/10/285

7pm: MEAL 6
2oz Flank Steak - 15/0/6/120
1 extra large whole egg - 7/0/5/80
3 extra large egg whites - 15/0/0/60
2 cups baby spinach - 1.5/1.5/0/10
2 Fish Oils - 0/2/0/20

39/1.5/13/290

10pm: MEAL 7
1 scoop ON Casein - 24/3/1/120
1 tbsp natty PB - 4/3/8/105
2 Fish Oils - 0/0/2/20

TOTAL: 28/6/11/245


DAILY TOTAL: 271/195/62/2425

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

^^^ yep....I would suggest to start an entire new thread come Monday... a real Log of what you are doing: exactly what you are eating, how much and at what time plus your workout/training. And also any emotional/mental challenges which need to be addressed to keep you on track. This way you stay on top of it as well as get guidance along the way from the TEAM here who will help you get to your dream.

I look forward to your progress. It will be a joy to watch unfold.

lol thank you so much!!!!! i will definately do this. what forum should i post this in?