Questions about PCT for beginner cycle

[Dunk]

Hello there- after having read a lot about PCT protocols, I am seeing conflicting information about the use of HCG. Given a 10 week Test E / Dbol cycle, some users are saying to run HCG from weeks 4 to 12, and then follow clomide / nolva pct. In another article on here posted by user pinnacle, it is suggested to run HCG in post cycle.

I have a few options here for PCT, and I am wondering which will be most effective with a dbol / test e cycle

1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

? From my research here is what I have found:

wk 1-3 HCG 1000ius/ED (Mon/Wed/Fri)
wk 1-5 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-5 Proviron 50mg/ED
Vit. E throughout

OR

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day


OR

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
with HCG weeks 4-12

OR

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

There are so many different PCT protocols- I am leaning toward:
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

Mainly some of the people on here are saying NO HCG in PCT, and others are saying HCG in PCT.

What do the expert users on this forum think? Expert advise please.

[38jumper38]

first cycle has to be simple, don't run to many compounds you have side and you don't know who's causing.
1-test 500mg/week (10 or 12 its up to you)
2-don't run d-bol.
3-hcg week 4 to 10 or 12, 2x250ui/week (do not run hcg in pct)
4-have nolva or liquidex in hands, just run with cycle " IF " you see sings of gyno
5-star PCT 14 days after last pin
6- nolva and clomid is standard for pct (Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20/20)

[charliemurphy229]

absolutely perfect advice, one compound, hcg, an ai like adex or exemestane on hand, clomid and nolva pct.

[djm6464]

first cycle has to be simple, don't run to many compounds you have side and you don't know who's causing.
1-test 500mg/week (10 or 12 its up to you)
2-don't run d-bol.
3-hcg week 4 to 10 or 12, 2x250ui/week (do not run hcg in pct)
4-have nolva or liquidex in hands, just run with cycle " IF " you see sings of gyno
5-star PCT 14 days after last pin
6- nolva and clomid is standard for pct (Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20/20)

id go with this

keep it simple with the test....dbol will cause more aromatization, have an AI on hand in case of e2 issues, i prefer aromasin as its a suicidal inhibter and has a positive effect on the hdl, 12.5mg ed.....a-dex is fine too, if you do use the dbol, more than likely you'll be using either or

hcg wk2/3 up till a week before pct, it has a 5 day half life...start with 250iu 2xwk and go from there

if you have controlled estrogen on cycle via an ai, i dont see the use in nolva or another ai in pct....you'll be fine with just the clomid, or preferably toremifene, taper either or

pct is something that everyone will differ, until you experiment with stuff, you wont know what you like best, altho all the above posts are pretty standard stuff

experiment wise, i used to use a natty t booster starting wk 3..meh....last 2 pct i used daa (i got the liquid grape one from primordial performance, i used bulk the first time n it was nasty), and its easily better than a natty t, works very good, i sart it day 1, and go about 6 wks, overlapping the serm

[DjBrandenburg]

When you say have Nolva on hand in case of Gyno, what dosages do you want me to use? Just in case I do see gyno coming in

[bigpapabuff]

you could use 10mg ed of nolva, but I would say save the nolva for pct and have exemestane or adex on hand for gyno during cycle.

[DjBrandenburg]

you could use 10mg ed of nolva, but I would say save the nolva for pct and have exemestane or adex on hand for gyno during cycle.

Alright. As for the exemestane or adex, should I again do 10mg ed of one? And should I continue until it's gone or just finish the test with it?

[liveinyourbody]

Not trying to jack the thread, but this is answering my question also.
For example Short Burst cycle 4weeks long, full pct after. look something like this:

Weeks 1-4: Test Prop 100MG/ED, Arimidex 10mg/ED.
Weeks 4-8: Start PCT 2 days after last pin: Clomid 100/100/50/50.....Nolva 40/40/20/20.

Does that sound alright guys, and no HCG needed unless Im having major problems?