Need help/advise on doing cycle...or maybe not..

[Flier]

I posted this to Swifto´s Q & A.
While I´m waiting for his response, maybe someone else has some advise to give me, thanks :-)


"I´ve been on this forum for 2 months now...reading just about everything, getting ready for my 11 week, 420mgs/week Cyp cycle to start in 3 weeks.
However, with the wealth of knowledge I´ve accumulated last 2 months, I realized how much I f..... with my HPTA last year.

Gonna try to give u the short version.
Starting Jan 2010, Nebido every 10 weeks, with 2 shots in June....total 5 shots. Started Testogel ED in June.... Started Winstrol in July 60 mgs ED for 60 days. Continued Testogel until Oct, when I did BW and to my big surprise realized I was "Shut down". Waited 2 weeks, then CLomid 50mg 10 days ED.
Result 11-19-2010: Total test : 248 (250-1100) Free Test: 28 (46-224) Bio available test: 58 (110-575)
Started 12-20-2010: Clomid 50mg 10 days ED.
Result 01-04-2011 : FSH: 4 LH: 7 Test: 18 (8-35) Free: 5,4 (2,3-9,9).....PERFECT! (I´m in Europe now, hence different value scale)
New BW 02-08-2011: FSH: 3 LH: 3 Test 6 Free 2,7 :-(

How do I feel?..normal, except constant pressure in my balls, and my balls are hiding/hanging about 50/50 during the day....(hung like cow bells during Clomid.)
(My balls shriveled up around Feb-2010)
Working out as always 6 days per week. Maintaining strength, size, BF. Solid diet and sleep.

Here is the plan:
Shot 2500iu Pregnyl today, and will continue E4D for 3 weeks, Total 15,000IU.
Then, after those 3 weks,:
Week 1-11 Cyp 420mgs/week (split 2)
Week 1-13 Pregnyl 500iu/week (split 2)
Week 1-13 Aromasin 10 mg EOD
18 days after last Cyp pin:
Week 1-6 Tamox 20mg ED (40mg ED first week)
Week 1-6 Tormifene 120/90/60/60/60/30

Stats:
Age: 42
Height: 6,4
Weight: 225
BF: 12-14

What u think?"

[scotty51312]

I'm confused bro, are you on TRT? If you're not on TRT what were you doing on Androgel?. You're cycle looks ok, but as for the PCT I would use Tamox and clomid or torem and clomid. But since you just finished up your PCT in december and you were on for so long, I'd wait a couple months. General rule is time on AAS + PCT time = time off. Now the other thing i'm worried about is since you only took clomid for 10 days then you had blood work done like 5 days after that, you may not know if you're recovered or not. I'd reccomend bloodwork be done no less than 4 weeks after a PCT,

So in short what i would do in your case is wait a couple months get bloodwork done again and if you're levels are still good then go ahead and cycle

[Far from massive]

Agree completely with what Scotty said, and yeah like him I am confused 'were you/are you' on TRT?

[Flier]

I had easy access to some Nebido (I guess, Test with some really long ester...like 12 weeks). Didn´t raise my Test, just replaced it. I thought it was going to add test. Didn´´t know anything about HPTA back then.
Then figured just add Testogel since I had access to a boatload.
Just thought all this was harmless, since I got it through prescription. Now I realize I did the same to my HPTA as doing AAS!

So now....as the last BW came back weak, I should probably do PCT instead of my planned cycle.....bummer! Already 6 weeks into my HGH, prepping for my "first" cycle.

And..no TRT, my Test level before screwing around was, I guess normal for a 41 year old. 14 (8-35)

[dosXX]

next time you should make your PCT longer 4 weeks is the minimum IMHO.

[scotty51312]

agree^^^ and wait another 4 weeks before bloodwork.

[Flier]

Well....I didn´t think I was doing "PCT". I was shut down, so my Andro gave ,e 10x50 Clomid. Which I know now, after being on this forum for 2 months, is not nearly enough.
2 months ago I didn´t know what PCT was, or AAS, LH, FSH, Pituary, or no knowledge of cycles. I didn´t even know why I have this sack hanging between my legs. Always thought it was a storage bag only, for all my children. I was told long time ago Test was produced in the muscles, mainly in the quads, because they are the biggest...
Now I´m here.....and I agree with you. I need to postpone my cycle, and do a proper PCT.
Still have not heard from Swifto, but I think he will agree as well.
I´ll start Monday, with something like this:
Week 1-2 HCG 500iu ED
Week 1-3 Aromasin 10MG EOD
Week 1-2 Tamox 10MG ED
Week 3-7 Tamox 20MG ED
Week 3-7 Toremifene 120/90/60/60/60
(Week 3-7 Clomid 100/50/50/50/50 if I can´t get Torem)

Scotty, why don´t you like the Torem/Tamox combo?

[scotty51312]

You don't want to do Aromasin in your PCT AI's stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen and are great for use on cycle when you have much more test that can be converted to estrogen. But using it durring PCT can cause an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it and lead to side effects. I think swifto will agree on that point. Clomid is good for raising natural test level and i've recovered well just running clomid for 5 weeks so it will always be a part of my PCT. That rumor about test being produced in muscles comes from a study that shows your body releases more free test after working the larger muscles in your body than the smaller ones. Specificly quads, i remember reading it years ago.

Other than the AI your PCT looks good to me. Best of luck.

[Flier]

Ok, thanks for your input. I will start PCT on Monday, and let my Cyp. collect some dust for 6 months or so.