kettlebells, mma and steroids ?

[karate-bjj]

Hi
I am in my 3rd week of Sustanon 250 cycle, this is the first time I use steroids so I really don't know much about them.

I practice MMA and BJJ and teach karate so flexibility and strength has to mix in my workout, I do not want the bodybuilder body but I want to increese weight by about 10-20 pounds muscle.

the problem is that its seems everyone does regular weight lifting but I do kettlebells. in kettlebells I can't target a single musclegroup, I train the body as whole and therfore I can't use the workout routines posted in other threads.

I am only about 185 pounds and 6´2" so I need more mass, at the moment I do double military press with 70 pounds kettlebells but my goal is 106 pound in the next 4 months.

at the moment I work out 2x 40 minutes session each day for 5 days and rest for 2 days, with kettlebells I never feel overtrained, and never sore after workout, no matter how hard I push myself I never get fatigued or get muscle pain.

I use mass gainer and liquid amino to increase protein intake and calories.

so how should I do my workout to get max results ? (with kettlebells)

[BigBuck6]

Hi
I am in my 3rd week of Sustanon 250 cycle, this is the first time I use steroids so I really don't know much about them.

I practice MMA and BJJ and teach karate so flexibility and strength has to mix in my workout, I do not want the bodybuilder body but I want to increese weight by about 10-20 pounds muscle.

the problem is that its seems everyone does regular weight lifting but I do kettlebells. in kettlebells I can't target a single musclegroup, I train the body as whole and therfore I can't use the workout routines posted in other threads.

I am only about 185 pounds and 6´2" so I need more mass, at the moment I do double military press with 70 pounds kettlebells but my goal is 106 pound in the next 4 months.

at the moment I work out 2x 40 minutes session each day for 5 days and rest for 2 days, with kettlebells I never feel overtrained, and never sore after workout, no matter how hard I push myself I never get fatigued or get muscle pain.

I use mass gainer and liquid amino to increase protein intake and calories.

so how should I do my workout to get max results ? (with kettlebells)

Your first mistake was running a cycle without knowing what you are putting in your body. Beyond that though, diet is key to gaining lean mass and yours may need some work. Supplements can only help so much in terms of diet and will yield poor results if you rely on them. How are your intensity levels when your working out? What are your sets/reps? Granted you may think you can't target one specific muscle group but many compound movements in body building don't either and still yield results. The key is to work for the feel and try to emphasize the target muscle as much as possible. You cannot take secondary and stabilizers out of the equation but it is possible to really target that muscle to overload it.

[terraj]

Bigbuck is right. Educate before you medicate.

Kettlebells are more for conditioning and functional strength, you might gain some mass from them...but growth will more then likely stall after a couple of weeks. You need to be able to increase intensity...this is done relatively easy with tradition weight lifting.

Can you get dips and chins in there as well?

[karate-bjj]

a normal workout is a combination of exercises, usually reps are few, from 3 to 10 and sets are 3 to 5.

I just finished a workout and this is it.

revese lunge and snatch with 88 pound kettlebell, the exercise was first 1 reverse lunge on each leg and one snatch, then two rl. each leg and 2 snatches.. until I got up to five, that set repeated 3 times.

next exercise was plank row with 88 pound kettlebells and explosive pushups.
one row each hand and one pushup, then 2 rows and 2 pushups up to five, repeated 3 times.

then I did a 10 rep 3 sets of overhead pull with 55 pound. and finished with 5 reps 3 sets of very slow pullups.

the reason I don't know enough about what to do is I live in Iceland and talking about steroid use here is like talking about heroin use... nobody admits using it and nobody shares information.

I did however google sustanon and other types of steroids and it seemed to me that sustanon was the right choice for me as a fighter, the only problem was that I use kettlebells and not conventional weightlifting and I did not find any useful information on kettlebells with steroids...

[BigBuck6]

a normal workout is a combination of exercises, usually reps are few, from 3 to 10 and sets are 3 to 5.

I just finished a workout and this is it.

revese lunge and snatch with 88 pound kettlebell, the exercise was first 1 reverse lunge on each leg and one snatch, then two rl. each leg and 2 snatches.. until I got up to five, that set repeated 3 times.

next exercise was plank row with 88 pound kettlebells and explosive pushups.
one row each hand and one pushup, then 2 rows and 2 pushups up to five, repeated 3 times.

then I did a 10 rep 3 sets of overhead pull with 55 pound. and finished with 5 reps 3 sets of very slow pullups.

the reason I don't know enough about what to do is I live in Iceland and talking about steroid use here is like talking about heroin use... nobody admits using it and nobody shares information.

I did however google sustanon and other types of steroids and it seemed to me that sustanon was the right choice for me as a fighter, the only problem was that I use kettlebells and not conventional weightlifting and I did not find any useful information on kettlebells with steroids...

Okay I don't have a lot of experience with kettlebells but I talked to my buddy who does everything looks alright except you need to up your volume. I am more concerned with upping your reps per set rather than the number of sets involved because that will lead to more hypertrophy which is your ultimate goal. If that means dropping the kettlebell weight in order to do more reps than so be it, you will eventually get back up to that weight with more reps.

As far as your research I have heard that Iceland in particular is crazy when it comes to anabolics. I actually believe one of the pros was arrested and asked to leave the country because they thought that he used anabolics. That does not mean that you couldn't have accessed studies from various universities online or gotten books from libraries or the internet you get what I am saying. I/We are glad to help you in any way I just personally feel education is key in this area.

[karate-bjj]

thanx for the info.

so I should drop the weight a little and do more reps if I understand it correctly ?

then 10 reps 3 sets of each exercise should be enough ?

what about exercise time and rest time ?

I do 2 workout each day, at noon and again at 5 pm. each workout is 40 min. plus warmup and cooldown, a full hour with everything.

I work out monday-friday and rest on weekends.

is that too much workout ? should I rest more ?

still learning.. Im used to a regular routine but the nationals in BJJ is in 8 months and I need to get up by a weightclass and be strong enough for that weightclass.

at the moment I'm in the same weightclass as Gunnar Nelson a Gracie blackbelt and by far the best BJJ wresler and MMA fighter in Iceland and most of europe... not the ideal opponent if I'm aiming for a 1.st price :P

[BigBuck6]

thanx for the info.

so I should drop the weight a little and do more reps if I understand it correctly ?

then 10 reps 3 sets of each exercise should be enough ?

Yes that should be enough if I am understanding your workout correctly

what about exercise time and rest time ?

Compound movements like squats and lunges should require most rest that smaller muscle groups

I do 2 workout each day, at noon and again at 5 pm. each workout is 40 min. plus warmup and cooldown, a full hour with everything.

I work out monday-friday and rest on weekends.

is that too much workout ? should I rest more ?

You may be overtraining or undereating a few others on here may be a better judge of that its hard to tell but that sounds like a lot. Are you getting enough sleep and the right diet?

still learning.. Im used to a regular routine but the nationals in BJJ is in 8 months and I need to get up by a weightclass and be strong enough for that weightclass.

at the moment I'm in the same weightclass as Gunnar Nelson a Gracie blackbelt and by far the best BJJ wresler and MMA fighter in Iceland and most of europe... not the ideal opponent if I'm aiming for a 1.st price :P

You're obviously experienced but you overall really need to look at intensity rather than timeframe in your workouts. 30 full out intense minutes mean a lot more than an hour of half @$$ing it. That also goes for every set, they should be maximum effort.

Are you completely opposed to conventional bodybuilding? If you could throw in 1-2 exercises per week we could easily get you into that weight class with the right diet and rest. Squats and deadlifts will guarantee you at least a few pounds if not more if you have been leaving them out of your routine.

[karate-bjj]

I do squats and deadlifts, where I work out there are 8 kettlebell coaches, they each have their own workouts that everyone follows so every workout is unique.
the gym has mostly kettlebells, there is one straight barbell and one curl bar and some weights so í can do benchpress and curls, that's it.. it's a fighters gym and they all do kettlebells here.

I think I can do most conventional workouts just with kettlebells, I'm not opposed to bodybuilding, but most bodybuilders try to get really big biceps and pecs, that is something that really works against you in BJJ... you really can't get a rear naked choke if your arm doesn't fit under the opponents chin

I need more muscle weight and lot more strenght without overgrowing the biceps and pecs.

all my workouts are full intensity, some are strengthening and some are cardio but in every workout I borderline on throwing up or passing out... but I recover really fast and an hour after the workout I feel great and can't wait to get back in the gym.

the weight I'm using is almost half my bodyweight in each arm, that's about double the weight most of the people I work out with uses.


I sleep about 8-10 hours but I'm not sure about the diet... I was told when I got the sustanon that I should eat a LOT and use mass gainer and liquid amino to help..

on a regular day this is my diet..

8 am 5 eggwhites + banana + yoghurt + liquid amino
10:30 am 2 sandwiches with cheese + 1 liter fruit juice (carrot, orange and lime)
12 am workout
1 pm mass gainer + glutamine
2 pm big ribeye steak with sweet potato
4 pm 5 eggwhites + banana + yoghurt + liquid amino
5 pm workout
6 pm mass gainer + glutamine
7 pm ribeye or chickenbreast, vegetables, olive oil, noodles or rice.. usually WOK
9 pm yoghurt + banana + sandwich.
10 pm sleep...

[BigBuck6]

I do squats and deadlifts, where I work out there are 8 kettlebell coaches, they each have their own workouts that everyone follows so every workout is unique.
the gym has mostly kettlebells, there is one straight barbell and one curl bar and some weights so í can do benchpress and curls, that's it.. it's a fighters gym and they all do kettlebells here.

I think I can do most conventional workouts just with kettlebells, I'm not opposed to bodybuilding, but most bodybuilders try to get really big biceps and pecs, that is something that really works against you in BJJ... you really can't get a rear naked choke if your arm doesn't fit under the opponents chin

I need more muscle weight and lot more strenght without overgrowing the biceps and pecs.

all my workouts are full intensity, some are strengthening and some are cardio but in every workout I borderline on throwing up or passing out... but I recover really fast and an hour after the workout I feel great and can't wait to get back in the gym.

the weight I'm using is almost half my bodyweight in each arm, that's about double the weight most of the people I work out with uses.


I sleep about 8-10 hours but I'm not sure about the diet... I was told when I got the sustanon that I should eat a LOT and use mass gainer and liquid amino to help..

on a regular day this is my diet..

8 am 5 eggwhites + banana + yoghurt + liquid amino
10:30 am 2 sandwiches with cheese + 1 liter fruit juice (carrot, orange and lime)
12 am workout
1 pm mass gainer + glutamine
2 pm big ribeye steak with sweet potato
4 pm 5 eggwhites + banana + yoghurt + liquid amino
5 pm workout
6 pm mass gainer + glutamine
7 pm ribeye or chickenbreast, vegetables, olive oil, noodles or rice.. usually WOK
9 pm yoghurt + banana + sandwich.
10 pm sleep...

Those aren't bodybuilders, those are Jersey Shore cast members. True bodybuilders attempt to obtain true symmetry and proportion. I understand your reasoning and respect that though. The truth is unless you really train a muscle hard (biceps and pecs for example) it's not going to grow, it's really hard to get muscles to grow; I dare most people to try.

[BigBuck6]

I also just realized your diet is at the bottom.