What's a good base to start cycle from?

[Gucks]

I'm 18, 6"3" 174 ibs @ 10%bf, i know im to young and to inexperienced to cycle! i just want to get some idea of when is a good time to start cycling.

i originally wanted to get to 200ibs natty by 20 and then cycle. what u guys think? to early? squeeze more then that out natty? appreciate all the advice.

last thing is what age/height/weight were guys on here when they started cyceling and do u regret it or do u think u culd have gone earlier?

the idea i had for first cycle:
test. enanthate: 500mg/week 12 weeks
deca: 250mg/week 12 weeks
d-bol: 20mg/day 4 weeks

standard pct, week 13-16 clomid plus n'dex during cycle ED.

gd starter cycle or not? few years away anyway.

[38jumper38]

26 or older its what's every one thinks it's the best age to try first cycle.
You can get 5 to 10 lbs naturaly per year with proper trayning and diet.
So if you wait and keep training will be the best for you.

[JohnnyVegas]

So, you aren't going to cycle for several years, but you want to get your ducks in a row now and figure out your exact plan? I wish I had the ability to plan that far ahead. I won't even commit to going shopping with my wife at 1:00 today.

[dec11]

So, you aren't going to cycle for several years, but you want to get your ducks in a row now and figure out your exact plan? I wish I had the ability to plan that far ahead. I won't even commit to going shopping with my wife at 1:00 today.

yeah, a good few of these kids are going in with the 'im only researching' angle, its bullshit im personally not falling for. my guess is that its kids that have already been told/banned and have re-joined

[Gucks]

yeah, a good few of these kids are going in with the 'im only researching' angle, its bullshit im personally not falling for. my guess is that its kids that have already been told/banned and have re-joined

lol, no. im not trying any angle. if i wanted advice for cycle then i wuld just come out and ask 4 it. i know plenty of guys in my gym who cycle, i have no problewm geting roids but im not an idiot. im only 18 and 174 ibs! been told not to plenty of times before. i guess ill ask wen i think i am ready 2 cycle then :P but is 200ibs a good goal for natty?

[Gucks]

So, you aren't going to cycle for several years, but you want to get your ducks in a row now and figure out your exact plan? I wish I had the ability to plan that far ahead. I won't even commit to going shopping with my wife at 1:00 today.

i dont have a wife so i cant comment :P and ye im impatient...been annoying guys i know for months now about their cycles and shit. 26 like the other guy said seems way 2 far away...is 20 2 young? 21 is as old as ill go i think. am i being an idiot seting a d8 so far in advance though? i wanan be good 2 go wen i hit natty potential!

[Gucks]

26 or older its what's every one thinks it's the best age to try first cycle.
You can get 5 to 10 lbs naturaly per year with proper trayning and diet.
So if you wait and keep training will be the best for you.

26 just seem so far away to me...8 years is nearly half my life :P and ive gained almost 40 ibs in nearly a yr since i started training porperly lol. i was coming from a tiny base tho (about 132ibs) wen i was borderline anorexic out of hopital. wuld like to gain another 28ibs over next yr. setting my sights to high u think?

[dec11]

lol, no. im not trying any angle. if i wanted advice for cycle then i wuld just come out and ask 4 it. i know plenty of guys in my gym who cycle, i have no problewm geting roids but im not an idiot. im only 18 and 174 ibs! been told not to plenty of times before. i guess ill ask wen i think i am ready 2 cycle then :P but is 200ibs a good goal for natty?

200 is a good aim, if you want to educate yourself on aas, theres plenty of info on this site, use your eyes rather than your fingers on the keyboard

[SlimmerMe]

i dont have a wife so i cant comment :P and ye im impatient...been annoying guys i know for months now about their cycles and shit. 26 like the other guy said seems way 2 far away...is 20 2 young? 21 is as old as ill go i think. am i being an idiot seting a d8 so far in advance though? i wanan be good 2 go wen i hit natty potential!

NO WAY! 20? 21? and stay away from roids for longer than you are thinking.

You have a TON of hormones now. And if you cannot achieve what you want with what you have, then you are not eating nor training correctly. AAS will only be temporary. Once you go off, you will not keep your gains. Plus you will not keep your high test levels either. You will never return to what you have while peaking with your natural peak you presently have. And then you will come back here begging for help because you have ED and cannot stand it.

You have not stopped growing. If you take any juice while you are still growing which is around 25-26 years old, then you risk a negative feedback loop. What happens is that you start to get used to the synthetic and then your own natural test levels start to either slow down a lot or shut down since it thinks..."heck, you don't need me anymore.." so your own production goes down the drain. And there you have it. Erectile Dysfunction at 20 or 21 and I bet that is not a goal.

[Gucks]

200 is a good aim, if you want to educate yourself on aas, theres plenty of info on this site, use your eyes rather than your fingers on the keyboard

ye, ive read as much as i can on here and from talking 2 guys with experience. just wanted 2 throw some feelers out 2 see if i was being realistic or not. thanks very much. hopefully i can make 200 in about 18 months

[Gucks]

NO WAY! 20? 21? and stay away from roids for longer than you are thinking.

You have a TON of hormones now. And if you cannot achieve what you want with what you have, then you are not eating nor training correctly. AAS will only be temporary. Once you go off, you will not keep your gains. Plus you will not keep your high test levels either. You will never return to what you have while peaking with your natural peak you presently have. And then you will come back here begging for help because you have ED and cannot stand it.

You have not stopped growing. If you take any juice while you are still growing which is around 25-26 years old, then you risk a negative feedback loop. What happens is that you start to get used to the synthetic and then your own natural test levels start to either slow down a lot or shut down since it thinks..."heck, you don't need me anymore.." so your own production goes down the drain. And there you have it. Erectile Dysfunction at 20 or 21 and I bet that is not a goal.

lol, this isnt just because ur a girl, but u do sound like my mum lecturing me about being obsessed with working out :P im still making good gains atm, my diet and training isnt perfect but im working on it as much as i can! im not turning to AAS as a solution, ill only use them when i feel my gains arent coming as fats as they should be. bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint! im well aware of that :P and u dont need 2 try and shock me into avoiding them with slowing down my reproductive system, with proper PCT and not abusing AAS for more then 1/2 cycles a yr then the long term side efffects can be kept to a minimum, eveyr guy ive spoken to has said the only real side ffects they've had r acne, some hair growth and a few guys had a bit of gyno cause they were 2 cheap 2 buy n'dex :P i know the risks and know not 2 abuse orals etc. and ur test levels bottom out at 25/26 but after 21 ur talking less then 100mg/week. theres a general consesus out there that 24 with at leats 3 yrs training r neccessary. im prepared 2 take the risk and start a bit earlier then that, im one of those guys who was shaving when i was 14! lol

[Gucks]

thnks 4 advice slimmerme btw not ignoring it, ill decide when the time comes, but i feel the benefits outweigh the risks of juicing at 21. some people have even told me im old enuf 2 start now at nearly 19...not even considering untill i reach at least my goal of 200ibs 8% bf natty tho! thank u very much

[dec11]

ye, ive read as much as i can on here and from talking 2 guys with experience. just wanted 2 throw some feelers out 2 see if i was being realistic or not. thanks very much. hopefully i can make 200 in about 18 months

woah there kiddo, i didnt mean start when 200lb, start at 25yrs old minimum and not at all if you are still gaining then (which, if you ask me, anyone can), i gained up until 31yrs old naturally and still prob could have gained more

[bigbossofdariver]

you should be much bigger then 200lbs at 6,3 when you start taking aas. i would say lean 245

[Gucks]

woah there kiddo, i didnt mean start when 200lb, start at 25yrs old minimum and not at all if you are still gaining then (which, if you ask me, anyone can), i gained up until 31yrs old naturally and still prob could have gained more

lol, sorry. misunderstood. and can i ask wht weight u were wen u started then?

[Gucks]

you should be much bigger then 200lbs at 6,3 when you start taking aas. i would say lean 245

245? r u serious? im not looking to be a pro here, 245 is branch warrens competition weight...my genes arent that good. im tall but ive always been thin, 245 is way beyond my natty potential. i wuld say 210 is my absolute max natty.

[Bigd89]

Lol. You joined this month and your already 15 post away from 100. Good job!

[Gucks]

Lol. You joined this month and your already 15 post away from 100. Good job!

lol, just reached 100. does tht seem like a post whore? i dont do bs comments anyway. just spend alot of time on here in evenings reading threads lol

[MACHINE5150]

6'4" i would shoot for 245lbs.. i am 6" shorter and got to 245lbs naturally.. only used gear to change the BF %

as for when to use juice, 25 is what is recommended. 21 is way too young.. the risks start dropping off after about 23.. but it depends on the person. you are 100 times more likely to do permanent damage doing steroids at 20 than you are at 25.. there is too many things going on since you are still growing at that age.

[marcus300]

Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[marcus300]

Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[dec11]

lol, sorry. misunderstood. and can i ask wht weight u were wen u started then?

i was a massive 9st at age 17 when i started.

where do you train in dublin?

[layeazy]

post up some pics so we know what we are looking at and can judge your genetic potential.

6,3 good height should be able to reach 200 pounds easy if you visit the diet section..

[yungone501]

Gucks, u sound like a smart man with a good head on your shoulders. However, i can see that you anxiously awaiting the use of gear and this kind of thinking in my eyes is called feening (spelling). You really shouldnt be asking people here for advice on gear but rather diet and training. I say this because if you REALLY had your diet and training in tune, you would have no desire to use gear because you would already be making excellent gains...do you feel me? Dont be like countless other youngsters that take the dive waaaaay too early on and end up with a mouth full of regret. These men on here (well most) come to you with an actual concern, nothing else. Theres no reward for making stupid decisions so do your homework and go study study study your diet especially. Goodluck brotha!!!

[Gucks]

6'4" i would shoot for 245lbs.. i am 6" shorter and got to 245lbs naturally.. only used gear to change the BF %

as for when to use juice, 25 is what is recommended. 21 is way too young.. the risks start dropping off after about 23.. but it depends on the person. you are 100 times more likely to do permanent damage doing steroids at 20 than you are at 25.. there is too many things going on since you are still growing at that age.

u got 2 245 natty..? what was ur bf and how long did it take u? alot of respect for that. and ive seen plenty of guys loose patience and juice under 25 without any side effects apart from geting huge and leaving me behind :P maybe they will suffer for it l8r but im siting tight untill at least 200 and ill decide closer to the time. thanks machine!

[Gucks]

Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

marcus, thank you very much. i posted diet in diet forum and workout in workout forum 2 get feed back and try and improve it. having 5 sessions with a well renouned trainer over here in 2 weeks aswell. i trian hard and diet properly. i dont plan on juicing just because im not seeing gains, but my gains r already starting 2 come alot slower and harder then they did 6 months ago. not disagree with u but the stunt growth risk only reall applys to guys under 18 or l8 developers, ive been 6"3" for 3 yrs now so i wont grow anymore. and im aware ur body isnt fully developed untill 25, but it just seems to me the mojority of the growth is over, even if u do affect those loast few years of development, is it such a big deal? ive seen so many guys juice as young as 18, they make gd gains and apart from acne and the other minor side effects they've been fine for years.

thanks very much. im still on the fench about juicing wen im about 21 though

[Gucks]

i was a massive 9st at age 17 when i started.

where do you train in dublin?

gym called wespoint fitness, its a ben dunne gym i fu know who he is( used 2 be a coke head who nearly jumped off a balcony with a prostitute...) and 9 stone..?! at what height? can i ask body stats now? i was 9st 8ibs last june wen i started. dietition told me i wuld be anorexic if i didnt sort it out and tht was the begininng of my love affair with bodybuilding :P

[Gucks]

post up some pics so we know what we are looking at and can judge your genetic potential.

6,3 good height should be able to reach 200 pounds easy if you visit the diet section..

ive posted in diet and workout threads for advice and seeing a trainer in 2 weeks for some more help. 200-210 is what id like natty. my problem is what is a reasonable age 2 juice :P i wuld like 2 think i culd reach 200 by 20-21 (summer 2012). is tht realistic?

[marcus300]

marcus, thank you very much. i posted diet in diet forum and workout in workout forum 2 get feed back and try and improve it. having 5 sessions with a well renouned trainer over here in 2 weeks aswell. i trian hard and diet properly. i dont plan on juicing just because im not seeing gains, but my gains r already starting 2 come alot slower and harder then they did 6 months ago. not disagree with u but the stunt growth risk only reall applys to guys under 18 or l8 developers, ive been 6"3" for 3 yrs now so i wont grow anymore. and im aware ur body isnt fully developed untill 25, but it just seems to me the mojority of the growth is over, even if u do affect those loast few years of development, is it such a big deal? ive seen so many guys juice as young as 18, they make gd gains and apart from acne and the other minor side effects they've been fine for years.

thanks very much. im still on the fench about juicing wen im about 21 though

Your HPTA isnt full developed until the average age of 25yrs old, I can also mention guys who have cycled young and have fully recovered but I can also state many who are on hrt because they have waited till their own system as fully developed.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[Gucks]

Gucks, u sound like a smart man with a good head on your shoulders. However, i can see that you anxiously awaiting the use of gear and this kind of thinking in my eyes is called feening (spelling). You really shouldnt be asking people here for advice on gear but rather diet and training. I say this because if you REALLY had your diet and training in tune, you would have no desire to use gear because you would already be making excellent gains...do you feel me? Dont be like countless other youngsters that take the dive waaaaay too early on and end up with a mouth full of regret. These men on here (well most) come to you with an actual concern, nothing else. Theres no reward for making stupid decisions so do your homework and go study study study your diet especially. Goodluck brotha!!!

ive posted in diet and workout forum, trying 2 work on my diet (think it needs the most work) atm. and ye im still making soem gains, my problem is there alot harder then they were wen i was 160-170 ibs. that only took me a month but from 170-174 wher eim at now has taken me nearly 3 months...i have no doubt i can make 200ibs. my problem is that onc ei get there, any gains will be rediculously slow and hard 2 obtain. well aware bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint! :P but id like 2 be at the front not the back :P thanks very much!

[Gucks]

Your HPTA isnt full developed until the average age of 25yrs old, I can also mention guys who have cycled young and have fully recovered but I can also state many who are on hrt because they have waited till their own system as fully developed.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

marcus, thanks very much. u sound genuinely concerned about guys juicing 2 soon. when the time ocmes, ull be the first guy i ask! i wuld like 2 compete as an amateur at least as a hobby. in this day and age u dont stand a chance without roids. i dont want 2 get bit by the competitive bug but uve pretty much put me in my box as far as jucing b4 25 :P its a long way away and i could end up juicing maybe about 23-24 but for the moment, 20/21 is out. thanks again.

[tjax03]

200 is a good aim, if you want to educate yourself on aas, theres plenty of info on this site, use your eyes rather than your fingers on the keyboard

200 would be a decent base if he was 6 feet tall or so, but he's 6'3. One can estimate that between two men, one at 5'10 and one at 6'0, each with equal percentages of lean mass etc. there should be about a 20 pound weight difference between the two. So 200 pounds at 6'3 would appear similar to a 5'11 man who weighs 160. Very small. I think for someone of that height a weight of 220 could easily be reached naturally.

[Gucks]

200 would be a decent base if he was 6 feet tall or so, but he's 6'3. One can estimate that between two men, one at 5'10 and one at 6'0, each with equal percentages of lean mass etc. there should be about a 20 pound weight difference between the two. So 200 pounds at 6'3 would appear similar to a 5'11 man who weighs 160. Very small. I think for someone of that height a weight of 220 could easily be reached naturally.

220..? mhm, maybe. i was of the opinion that 210 at about 8% bf wuld be my natty limit. let me know if any1 disagrees

[yungone501]

220..? mhm, maybe. i was of the opinion that 210 at about 8% bf wuld be my natty limit. let me know if any1 disagrees

For others to better critique, it might be best to post a few pics. That way we all get an idea of your structure. You could have two 6' 200 men standing right beside each other and look completely different...even with the same bf%. Bone structure has alot to do with 'what looks good'. Im about 5'8" but have really small bones so appear to have much more muscularity then others of my stats, you know?

[Gucks]

For others to better critique, it might be best to post a few pics. That way we all get an idea of your structure. You could have two 6' 200 men standing right beside each other and look completely different...even with the same bf%. Bone structure has alot to do with 'what looks good'. Im about 5'8" but have really small bones so appear to have much more muscularity then others of my stats, you know?

ye i get u on the bone structure. ill see what i can do about the pics! get my girl 2 take them lol. the best i can do 4 u atm is 16" arms, 46" chest 32" waist, 20" thighs, 14" calves (my legs and calves r worst body parts, they really get to me!)

give me a day or two 2 get pics, im doing exams atm.

[Bigd89]

Im 6'2 210...so maybe we have the same structure?

[Bigd89]

Hopefully 210 is not potential. My older brother(blood brother) he's 24 and almost 6'5 and weighs nearly 280...with really high bf% though.

[Gucks]

sorry about poor pictures, best i culd do taking myself. il get my gf 2 take more on wednesday when shes over. and yes, i know im milk white :P waht u get 4 being irish...

[Gucks]

Im 6'2 210...so maybe we have the same structure?

wuld love 2 be 210 by 21! all of my family r rediculously tall...i have a cousin whose 6"10" and his brothes 6"8"! im one of the smallest guys in my family :P 15 yr old cousin has alreayd passed me out!

[dec11]

200 would be a decent base if he was 6 feet tall or so, but he's 6'3. One can estimate that between two men, one at 5'10 and one at 6'0, each with equal percentages of lean mass etc. there should be about a 20 pound weight difference between the two. So 200 pounds at 6'3 would appear similar to a 5'11 man who weighs 160. Very small. I think for someone of that height a weight of 220 could easily be reached naturally.

rubbish interpretation, how do you know what length the torso could be or the legs?