got my test levels back...

[brolic272]

age:22
height: 5'11
weight: 195

never done a cycle or taken any hormones but i got my test levels back

total-307
free-6.81

was planning on waiting a year to cycle anyways but now it's not looking like thats gonna happen. im not looking or hoping to go on HRT but im gonna see my doctor and/or an endocrinologist just to see what they recommend because a lot of people are telling me im way too low for my age. and i have a decent amount of muscle. but my libido has been at an all time low so i guess this helps explain that. my diet is very clean but not much fat which others have told me can be a reason.

this really sucks. how bad are those levels?

[layeazy]

dude if you have decent amount of muscle then just leave it...your way to young to in fathom the idea of HRT...

[brolic272]

i know brah i dont wanna go on HRT....what other options are there? my libido is at an all time low too...are natural test boosters even that effective?

[brolic272]

bumping for more advice/thoughts....

and if it has any relevance heres some more of my blood levels

Cholesterol-110

HDL-38

LDL-42

Triglyceride-149

[bbh90]

dude if you have decent amount of muscle then just leave it...your way to young to in fathom the idea of HRT...

why do you say that when his test levels are so low?

personally if i was that young with sh!tty a$s test levels like that i would be very happy to start TRT so i can feel actually feel like a 22 year old again like he should

[auslifta]

why do you say that when his test levels are so low?

personally if i was that young with sh!tty a$s test levels like that i would be very happy to start TRT so i can feel actually feel like a 22 year old again like he should

Agree if your levels are in a very low range for your age, maybe trt is the answer. Wait to see what your endocrinologist has to say, just make sure they don't give you gel to take, make sure you tell them your fine with injections-if you are.

[brolic272]

why do you say that when his test levels are so low?

personally if i was that young with sh!tty a$s test levels like that i would be very happy to start TRT so i can feel actually feel like a 22 year old again like he should

yea man it sucks. if you were to see me in real life you'd think my test levels were normal to above normal but nope. hrt sounds good for the reason you mentioned but if there's an alternative method that can get my natural test levels in the normal range, i'd prefer that. i'd think most people wouldnt want to have to depend on taking something for the rest of their life but hey it just might happen....

and i just got back from a great workout in the gym. it's like studying hard for a test and then taking the test with all the confidence in the world. then when the teacher hands out the grades you're all excited because you're positive you Aced the thing....only to find a big fat letter F circled in red ink. what a letdown

i never would have guessed it was this bad, or bad at all for that matter.

[auslifta]

how is your sleep?

[brolic272]

how is your sleep?

i get at least 7-8 hours of sleep consistently every night. 6 at the least.

[Bullseye Forever]

i know brah i dont wanna go on HRT....what other options are there? my libido is at an all time low too...are natural test boosters even that effective?

IMO before i got on TRT,i tried a shit load of natural test boosters and none of them helped me at all,im 44 years old,been on TRT for 4 years now,and my Endo has me taking 600mg of test cyp every 10 days,and my levels are 405,and ive been on that dose for about 6 months now,so yes your levels are really low for your age.I will be on TRT for life,my endo is trying to get my levels up to around 750.......for reasons i cant understand from my doctor,my body just requires alot of test,im 6'5 and weigh 275,he said my levels should be around 750,i get checked every 6 months.....so if i were you i would def see an Endo,also you could try taking just plain L-Arginine at 5 grams/day for your libido,thats what my doct recommended for me with my libido problems and it has helped alot

[brolic272]

IMO before i got on TRT,i tried a shit load of natural test boosters and none of them helped me at all,im 44 years old,been on TRT for 4 years now,and my Endo has me taking 600mg of test cyp every 10 days,and my levels are 405,and ive been on that dose for about 6 months now,so yes your levels are really low for your age.I will be on TRT for life,my endo is trying to get my levels up to around 750.......for reasons i cant understand from my doctor,my body just requires alot of test,im 6'5 and weigh 275,he said my levels should be around 750,i get checked every 6 months.....so if i were you i would def see an Endo,also you could try taking just plain L-Arginine at 5 grams/day for your libido,thats what my doct recommended for me with my libido problems and it has helped alot

besides keeping up with the hassle of being on HRT for life, what are the biological cons/negatives of being on HRT? i really dont want to freak out but this is just really disappointing. roughly how much/often can natural test levels fluctuate?

[Bullseye Forever]

besides keeping up with the hassle of being on HRT for life, what are the biological cons/negatives of being on HRT? i really dont want to freak out but this is just really disappointing. roughly how much/often can natural test levels fluctuate?

it just depends man,everyones endroncrine system is different and we all react different to certain doses,and my doct told me,its really hard to explain why everyone is different,example,my best friend is on lifetime trt as well,and he is a bit bigger than me,he's 6'10 315 and he only takes 200mg every 14 days,from my knowledge of it,which isnt very good it just depends on how much your body metabolizes it

[brolic272]

it just depends man,everyones endroncrine system is different and we all react different to certain doses,and my doct told me,its really hard to explain why everyone is different,example,my best friend is on lifetime trt as well,and he is a bit bigger than me,he's 6'10 315 and he only takes 200mg every 14 days,from my knowledge of it,which isnt very good it just depends on how much your body metabolizes it

is it normal for somebody my age (22) to be put on HRT? i was wondering if i got my test levels tested again if the result could be significantly different a few weeks, months, or whatever down the road. like if i went to my endo and said "last week my test levels were X", would it make sense for him to test me a week later again? thats why im saying i dont know how much these levels can fluctuate.

and is your friend in the NBA? thats like the size of that huge guy who fought brad pitt in the beginning of Troy haha

[Bullseye Forever]

is it normal for somebody my age (22) to be put on HRT? i was wondering if i got my test levels tested again if the result could be significantly different a few weeks, months, or whatever down the road. like if i went to my endo and said "last week my test levels were X", would it make sense for him to test me a week later again? thats why im saying i dont know how much these levels can fluctuate.

and is your friend in the NBA? thats like the size of that huge guy who fought brad pitt in the beginning of Troy haha

yes 22 years old is really young to be put on trt,you need to get your prolactin levels checked most importantly,it may be that your body just doesnt produce enough test on its on

[stevey_6t9]

IMO before i got on TRT,i tried a shit load of natural test boosters and none of them helped me at all,im 44 years old,been on TRT for 4 years now,and my Endo has me taking 600mg of test cyp every 10 days,and my levels are 405,and ive been on that dose for about 6 months now,so yes your levels are really low for your age.I will be on TRT for life,my endo is trying to get my levels up to around 750.......for reasons i cant understand from my doctor,my body just requires alot of test,im 6'5 and weigh 275,he said my levels should be around 750,i get checked every 6 months.....so if i were you i would def see an Endo,also you could try taking just plain L-Arginine at 5 grams/day for your libido,thats what my doct recommended for me with my libido problems and it has helped alot

hope that was a typo.

[Flier]

HRT is waaay to premature my friend. You have a few years of trial, and experimenting with natural ways of boosting Test before HRT.
Your Test is low, your Prolactin might be high, your Estro might be high..
Chol profile looks good...however Triglycerides high...right?

Your Endo will do a complete BW, and take it from there.
US docs./endos/Uros are agresseve on quick fixes...(my experiance)
The quick fix is to give you a 100mgs shot of Test C, and send you on your way on HRT,,,,case closed.
Don´t do it. I have seen guys bonce back/up naturally, and women bounce back from low Thyroid hormones naturally, defying the Endo´s recommendation on starting HRT.
As you state, your Test will fluctuate, sometimes greatly, during your lifetime. As you know, your test fluctuate greatly in a 24 hr period, hence take your BW at 8am.
During "lifetime" because Test prod. is conditional. During job search, your Test prod. will increase, Stuck in the same job routine without challenge for years, your test prod will decrease. No girlfriend-High Test, Stable relationship-lower Test. Many other social causes.....doesen´t mean you should fire your GF or quit your job....hehe...but be aware that ONE BW tells very little...u need a trend...maybe full BW every other month..
Also low Test breeds low test..as your lifestyle will be affected by low test, which will be a lifestyle which do not require high test. The subconscious will recognize and adapt.
I have lived with your Test levels since late 20´s, I´m now 42. I´m putting on muscle at will, and have no related health problems.
However....the low test is reflected in my personality! Very laid back, never on the hunt, low libido, definitely a "couch potato (a very fit one :-))", will seek employment where I don´t have to "invent the wheel", picking friends/girlfriends thereafter...and so on.
I doubled my Test level last year with some "TRT", definitely changed my personality, and found out, the effect of low test, personality wise, works for me.
Doing my first Cycle starting in 1 week. Will be interesting to see how I change...hehe....raging Idiot for 12 weeks..

[Flier]

Just saw this in another tread. Like I said, you have years of experimenting/observing before TRT.


"500 would make me feel like a lifeless eunich. Definitely would have no libido either. I need about 800 to feel it. So 500 can be super low for some guys.

I was at 400 for about 10 years and a 6 week course of clomid kicked me to 800 pretty much permenantly."

[vtach12]

So you have decent muscle/ strength? Have you had a dexa scan done? Low bone density at your age can also confirm a too low of a T level. With a lower than average level like that, but everything else is good, you may not want to go on TRT just yet. An endo MD may want to do an MRI of your head to find out why your T is lower than average, in the unlikely event you have a pituitary tumor or something. You need to find the cause before you treat the symptoms. You should have several signs of low T, not just one. You are just so young to jump in to it. Not saying not to do it, but you should have several symptoms. Try a new girlfriend??? ...lol

[Tigershark]

You should wait more then a year before you cycle. Check out the diet section. Tons of great info there that can help.

[thewarrior8845]

hey brolic im 22 and i had low test a few years ago. my levels were around 350ng/dl. I found out i had low thyroid function and after i got on thyroid meds my level went up to a little over 500ng/dl. My doc says my test will go higher once my thyroid problem is corrected. Basically you should find out why your low and go from there. If you go on TRT and you have some other condition you wont feel any better with trt. Find out whats causing the low test.

[brolic272]

hey brolic im 22 and i had low test a few years ago. my levels were around 350ng/dl. I found out i had low thyroid function and after i got on thyroid meds my level went up to a little over 500ng/dl. My doc says my test will go higher once my thyroid problem is corrected. Basically you should find out why your low and go from there. If you go on TRT and you have some other condition you wont feel any better with trt. Find out whats causing the low test.

thats exactly what im gonna do. i set up the appointment with my doc for tuesday and then gonna see an endocrinologist. by no means am i hoping/trying to get on hrt. that's the last option on the menu right now and i'd like to avoid it if possible. thanks for all the advice to everyone in this thread.

[Bullseye Forever]

hope that was a typo.

nope it wasnt

[Far from massive]

thats exactly what im gonna do. i set up the appointment with my doc for tuesday and then gonna see an endocrinologist. by no means am i hoping/trying to get on hrt. that's the last option on the menu right now and i'd like to avoid it if possible. thanks for all the advice to everyone in this thread.

Glad to hear you are taking the good advice and seeking a lot more tests and a second opinion before jumping into anything. That said if after getting a second opinon and more lab tests done and the endo's and doc's feel that the only way to address your condition is through TRT don't be afraid to go that route, the small number of sides from legitimate substitution ( an amount that produces good blood levels) of natural test far outwieghs the problems of a life with low test. Think of it like diabetes taking insulin for the rest of your life sucks too but it sure beats the hell out of the alternatives.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I had the exact same text level (well close, 317) before my first cycle. I decided to blast and cruise instead of do traditional cycles as a result. I figured it would cause me less emotional stress doing it that way. So far I am still healthy. I don't know if I will ever come off completely

[AlphaMaleDawg]

IMO before i got on TRT,i tried a shit load of natural test boosters and none of them helped me at all,im 44 years old,been on TRT for 4 years now,and my Endo has me taking 600mg of test cyp every 10 days,and my levels are 405,and ive been on that dose for about 6 months now,so yes your levels are really low for your age.I will be on TRT for life,my endo is trying to get my levels up to around 750.......for reasons i cant understand from my doctor,my body just requires alot of test,im 6'5 and weigh 275,he said my levels should be around 750,i get checked every 6 months.....so if i were you i would def see an Endo,also you could try taking just plain L-Arginine at 5 grams/day for your libido,thats what my doct recommended for me with my libido problems and it has helped alot

this is very interesting to me. I always thought the amount of synthetic test injected would give almost everyone the same test levels. I didn't know it differed in some individuals, like it does in your case. If you need 600mg of cyp just to get average test levels, you must need about 1,500mg-2,000mg weekly or something when you blast, right?

[brolic272]

I had the exact same text level (well close, 317) before my first cycle. I decided to blast and cruise instead of do traditional cycles as a result. I figured it would cause me less emotional stress doing it that way. So far I am still healthy. I don't know if I will ever come off completely

did you see a doctor for your low test levels and if so, did they not recommend you hrt? and roughly how much can test levels fluctuate within a week or a month?

[Flier]

this is very interesting to me. I always thought the amount of synthetic test injected would give almost everyone the same test levels. I didn't know it differed in some individuals, like it does in your case. If you need 600mg of cyp just to get average test levels, you must need about 1,500mg-2,000mg weekly or something when you blast, right?

U can float as much Test as u want in your blood, but if your cells does not have receptors, the Test will do nutti´n for u.
Of course everybody have receptors, but they will differ from 2-5. And makes a huge difference, and answers why some responds, lives well with low test and others do not.
Generally, Black men has 4-5. White men, 3-4. And Asian men 2-3.
Hence the difference in our body composition.
Ever wondered why black teens who have never lifted a weight, has defined chest and shoulders?
Or why the Olympic 100 m lineup consist solely of black men?
Or why Asian men are as "feminine" as they are?

There is your answer :-)

[Bullseye Forever]

this is very interesting to me. I always thought the amount of synthetic test injected would give almost everyone the same test levels. I didn't know it differed in some individuals, like it does in your case. If you need 600mg of cyp just to get average test levels, you must need about 1,500mg-2,000mg weekly or something when you blast, right?

to be honest man,i dont understand my Endo's reasoning behind it either,i wish i knew myself,i guess i should get a second opinion from another doctor,but on this dose im on now,my blood pressure is at or near normal range,no sides whats so ever,and no prostrate issues,when my next cycle comes up,imgoing to up the dose to around 700 with deca at 400mg....i know everyone who has read this thinks im crazy and lying,but im as honest as i can be about it

[Bullseye Forever]

U can float as much Test as u want in your blood, but if your cells does not have receptors, the Test will do nutti´n for u.
Of course everybody have receptors, but they will differ from 2-5. And makes a huge difference, and answers why some responds, lives well with low test and others do not.
Generally, Black men has 4-5. White men, 3-4. And Asian men 2-3.
Hence the difference in our body composition.
Ever wondered why black teens who have never lifted a weight, has defined chest and shoulders?
Or why the Olympic 100 m lineup consist solely of black men?
Or why Asian men are as "feminine" as they are?

There is your answer :-)

thanks for your post my friend,i will do some research on this to learn more about it,again thank you

[AlphaMaleDawg]

did you see a doctor for your low test levels and if so, did they not recommend you hrt? and roughly how much can test levels fluctuate within a week or a month?

no they just had an assistant call me to tell me the results and she just said it was in the normal range. What a joke

U can float as much Test as u want in your blood, but if your cells does not have receptors, the Test will do nutti´n for u.
Of course everybody have receptors, but they will differ from 2-5. And makes a huge difference, and answers why some responds, lives well with low test and others do not.
Generally, Black men has 4-5. White men, 3-4. And Asian men 2-3.
Hence the difference in our body composition.
Ever wondered why black teens who have never lifted a weight, has defined chest and shoulders?
Or why the Olympic 100 m lineup consist solely of black men?
Or why Asian men are as "feminine" as they are?

There is your answer :-)

thanks I never thought of it that way. Gotta love learning new things