Test E not working?

[Chris32]

Hi. I am using human grade test enanthate @ 250mg/ml. I just started this cycle a week ago, so obviously it would be too early to tell its effects. My concern, however is that, as I have done 2 previous cycles in the past where I never got results.

I am wondering if there is such a thing where test does not wor on someone? I have tried 4 diffrent brands (UKbolics, redstar, GP, medistar, and now the legit human grade Test Enanthate - ICN Galenika – 1ml ampules)

my first cycle was about 8 weeks and the first few weeks I am pretty sure was underdosed redstar, cause some of my buddies didn't get gains on it ethier. However cycle number two, was 10 weeks at 500mg/w of test e, and I frontloaded with 40mg dianabol/day (Legit blue hearts) for 2 and a half weeks in the start. I was eating a lot; about 3500cal/day, and trainging realy hard 5 days, 1hour heavy weight workouts. I gained about 6 pounds towards the end of the cycle and that was probably mostly fat, my strength gains were minimal, only about what you would expect doing it all naturally. (shoulder press +5lbs, bench +10lbs... etc) I never really felt any effects, some days I felt much more confident, some days sex drive was high, then I would expirience a week of extremely low sex drive.. it was al over the place, but on average lower then normal. The only really diffrence that I noticed was that I would last like 4x longer at sex, (even my girls in all kinds of positions could barely make me cum). So all obviously there was an effect and the test was real in my system, but why did I not gain any real muscle mass? Is there a diffrence between the test we buy in vial and the test the body produces other the the estrification of it? Would bioidentical test be a better option or something? any thought?

I am going to run this cycle I just started (12weeks @500mg/w) eating very clean good calories, and training 4-5days intense a week. But as it is a week in my sex drive has gone down oddly, and I will be doing a low does of hcg to keep some test that actually works.

Stats:
22years old
180lbs
6.0"
6+years training
12-14% bf

Please let me know what you think it could be. It is highly unlikeley that all the test and dbol I have done in the past was bunk, as my friends were using it and they were getting results. Should I consider trying tren or some progestin as it may bond diffrently with androgen receptors?

[JohnnyVegas]

This is your third cycle at 22? You probably won't get much advice at your age...other than to not proceed.

[L1nk]

You've done two and still at 180? Its not the gear its the lack of food your eating during cycle.

[cro]

your not going to hear what you want to hear. did you ever use a pct after previous cycles?

[Chris32]

yea too young thats debatable I guess.. I started at late 21, I am almost 23 in a month..
I used pct Nolva 40/20/20/20

[38jumper38]

see you at HRT SOON.

[Chris32]

screw it. I'm a pct outa this. my test levels are naturaly riddiculously high anyways... I can wait a few more years..
still kinda wonderin why it wouldn't work though.. let me kno if you have any thoughts..

[D7M]

Do me a favor and list your diet in complete detail.

[Chris32]

I keep it clean cut down on carbs, almost no sugars, no dairy (lactose intolerant) and I stay away from artificial sweeteners.
for breakfast whole free range eggs, with some veggies, or all in an omelet, and some whole grain bread with some butter.
lunch, chicken with some potatoes, lots of broccoli and other veggies, get some tuna, and salad in as well.
I'll have some protein smoothies throughout the day as well, 3 or 4 scoops/day.
For dinner usually something with chicken and veggies, and occasionally some steak and or some beef,
I'll also heave a fair bit of nuts, and various trail mix, lots of almonds and other high protein foods.
I try to keep the protein the highest, and the fat the lowest in my diet.
It really depends on a day to day baisis, but I work hard to keep it at least 95% clean and whole foods that are as unprocerssed and healthy as possible.

average cal/day ranged form 3000-3800 or so...

[Bulkn]

Add in the measurements of what you eat each meal. At a glance your not eating enough carbs.

[Chris32]

I try and keep it 60% protein, 30% carbs and 10% fat.
I know diet is important, but it can't be 100% diet. In studies where people taking 600mg/week, and eating just above 2000 cals a week, with no protein suplementation, and no working out still gained muscle about twice as fast as those with strict diets and working out relentlessly. The ones that were on 600mg/w and working out and eating more gained muscle more then 4 times as fast as those in without the gear (obviously) but it just shows that just for taking having many times normal levels of testosterone in your system you will still see pretty amazing gains even sitting on your ass. This is from peer reviewed journal..

I'm gona search for it and post it..

have any of you heard of bioidentical test??

[n00bs]

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[LightBearer631]

my test levels are naturaly riddiculously high anyways

i doubt that, if they were then you would be a lot more than 180 at 6ft tall

[Honkey_Kong]

i doubt that, if they were then you would be a lot more than 180 at 6ft tall

That isn't necessarily true. There are a lot of factors involved. The OP should get some blood work done post PCT. Not just to check his test levels, but his thyroid & pituitary hormone levels and his insulin production

[bruary17]

your not eating enough. Wheres the heavy carbs? screw veggies right now..rice, potatoes, oats, breads, wheat pasta...you need more calories...you have to eat like a horse to gain!

[Far from massive]

Right ^^^^ 60/30 is way carb weak for someone who is having trouble gaining. Also aim for 6 or more real whole food meals a day. I feel throwing in a bunch of protein shakes may work for some but for many others it interferes with good digestion.

[Tough92]

You say u train 4-5 days a week?well is it 4 or 5?can't be both,and that's not a real diet.Should do proper research in dieitng/training before you get on aas