off gear muscularity

[nelly]

I understand why all you guys always advice on having everything correct before you cycle but, I have a question can you build the same muscularity and be as vascular off gear? I mean it seems that the muscle harndness and definition that people obtain on gear seems unmatched as to guys who train clean. Am I wrong in assuming that this particular look cannot be achieved otherwise? Its hard for people not to want to cycle after seeing guys look like this. I understand that it may take years for one look like this even on gear, but you can certainly understand the want right?

[MR-FQ320]

^^^^Rome wasn't built in a day , I was of the same thinking of pal , that gear is the answer WRONG ! I'm bettter now than when i was on cycle and it's all due to diet and cardio, yeah it's tough but you gota put the hours in to reap the rewards, but it is worth it.

[ScotchGuard02]

I trained naturally for 30+ years before I ran a cycle of AAS. No matter how hard I trained and what I ate I never was as vascular or hard as I am now. BTW, I'm on week 7 of anavar + Test/Deca cycle. This is my 3rd cycle and I didn't look like this on my first 2 cycles. Even with AAS it seems to take time for the body to really take advantage of it. It just takes time, patience, discipline (dieting) and tons of work.

[nelly]

^^^^^^^^ This is sort of wht I meant. I am not saying that everyone should always cycle or that it does not take time, I was just wondering if the results of a well carried out cycle can be matched by a natural state. Thanks.

[marcus300]

A natural bodybuilder will never match a bodybuilder who takes steroids but you can get in serious shape and condition from dieting and training. Genetics would also play a huge part in this but I am edging on the side of the average man but of course you can get vascular and ripped if you play the game correctly with dedication.

[awms]

I dont care what anyone says your best best physic comes when you are on sauce. When I was natural I looked good, and I was big, but after my first test cycle it was a whole diffrent story!

What I noticed was the ability to still stay lean while taking in mass amounts of calories which is somthing that for 99% of people is not possible. The nice thing is also that if you slip on sauce it hardly effects you but if your natural and you slip up it can set you back a month in your training goals.