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    Arizona enacts ban on abortions based on gender, race

    So I'm thinking outloud here....

    A black couple goes to their doctor to check the race of their fetus. The doctor informs them the fetus is black, just like them. In astonishment, the couple turn to face each other.... Black? How could that be? Well, we will have none of that... we want to abort! I'm sorry sir, we can no longer abort fetus' on the basis of race.....????

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    PHOENIX (Reuters) – Arizona Governor Jan Brewer on Tuesday signed into law a controversial bill that makes the state the first in the nation to outlaw abortions performed on the basis of the race or gender of the fetus.

    The move comes as anti-abortion groups across the nation try to seize on gains made by political conservatives during the November elections, seeking enactment of new state laws to further restrict abortions.

    Under the new Arizona statute, doctors and other medical professionals would face felony charges if they could be shown to have performed abortions for the purposes of helping parents select their offspring on the basis of gender or race.

    The women having such abortions would not be penalized.

    State legislators have said no such law exists anywhere else in the nation.

    Backers of the measure said the ban is needed to put an end to sex- and race-related discrimination that exists in Arizona and throughout the nation. They insist the issue is about bias rather than any broader stance on abortion.

    "Governor Brewer believes society has a responsibility to protect its most vulnerable -- the unborn -- and this legislation is consistent with her strong pro-life track record," a spokesman said.

    But opponents have maintained that while such abortions may be happening in other countries like China, no clear evidence can found of it occurring in Arizona.

    Planned Parenthood Federation of America also said the measure may erode a woman's rights, fearing that doctors for the first time would feel compelled to ask their patients the reasons for seeking an abortion.

    A Planned Parenthood official in Arizona condemned the governor's action in a statement to Reuters.

    "This law creates a highly unusual requirement that women state publicly their reason for choosing to terminate a pregnancy -- a private decision they already made with their physician, partner and family," said Bryan Howard, the group's chief executive.

    The law contains no explicit provision requiring doctors to ask their patients their reasons for seeking an abortion, nor for patients to disclose such reasons. But opponents of the measure feel passage of the new law might make them feel more inclined to do so.

    The law would take effect 90 days following the end of the current legislative session.

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    Gotta love the party of no government interference in our lives, huh?

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    That place is getting out of control.

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    Well put DSM

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    There was a bunch of people on campus today handing out brochures to vote No to abortion. The flyers had some super sad pictures on them of aborted babies

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    Quote Originally Posted by fattymcbutterpants View Post
    There was a bunch of people on campus today handing out brochures to vote No to abortion. The flyers had some super sad pictures on them of aborted babies
    It's the same type of scar tactics they put pictures on cigarette packages of extreme cancer patients.

    I had an idea long time ago of a solution to abortions/birth. Like any idea I'm sure people can find flaws.
    My idea was/is every male and female need to be temporarily sterilized from birth. Only after they have reached a pr determined age (lets say 23+) a predetermined academic level (high-school graduate) and a predetermined wage/credit status acceptable to their environment or where you live then you would be given an anti sterile shot so you can procreate.

    yeah yeah I know, government/people would then control who could and who couldn't have kids and many things would not be fair but I am only saying it hypothetically and if everything went right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    Gotta love the party of no government interference in our lives, huh?
    Always spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    It's the same type of scar tactics they put pictures on cigarette packages of extreme cancer patients.

    I had an idea long time ago of a solution to abortions/birth. Like any idea I'm sure people can find flaws.
    My idea was/is every male and female need to be temporarily sterilized from birth. Only after they have reached a pr determined age (lets say 23+) a predetermined academic level (high-school graduate) and a predetermined wage/credit status acceptable to their environment or where you live then you would be given an anti sterile shot so you can procreate.

    yeah yeah I know, government/people would then control who could and who couldn't have kids and many things would not be fair but I am only saying it hypothetically and if everything went right.
    and what a draconian society that would be!?

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    Yes it could easily go down that path and probably would. It could turn out like Logans run also but either way yes it would probably turn out bad. I think the concept is good but again, reality/people would screw it up.

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    ^ If there were some omnipotent benevolent metaphysical uncorruptable being that could administer a program like that? I'd still say pass......

    .... the thing that makes us Human is our ability to screw things up! I'd rather be that than some "kept" child where some"thing" was watching over me "for my own good". Taking away our freedom of choice at it's most basic level (procreating), and making "unauthorized" procreation a crime is a society I'd rather not be a part of. This power of control over us would not be an isolated case... there would be a whole host of other restrictions imposed. For example, what happens to our elderly and sick? are they taken off in a cart someplace to be disposed of for the greater good? I can see an argument being made that since they are no longer or able to contribute to society, then it is in society's best interest to eliminate all the deadwood. So instead of retirement, you just get on the bus when you turn 70 and they take you to the hospital for euthinization? That is, unless you are wealthy, then the rules wouldn't apply to you. You just buy some more time, everything is good to go, the sun continues to shine, the birds continue to sing....

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    Eventually there will be paid incentives to get abortions, people just need to feel directly negatively affected by the overpopulation first. Also on another note, maybe you should have to acquire a "birthing license" otherwise all your pregnancies will be illegal and thus aborted. Just a couple thoughts on population control; I'm not heartless, just a realist.

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    over population (what ever the hell that is) is usually identified in impoverished areas. Instead of making criminals out of the poor and uneducated, what else would we be able to do so that these people can make intelligent decisions on procreation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    over population (what ever the hell that is) is usually identified in impoverished areas. Instead of making criminals out of the poor and uneducated, what else would we be able to do so that these people can make intelligent decisions on procreation?
    I don't know if this was a rhetorical question or not, but I said we should abort them. Families should have to undergo a process to get a "birthing license" (a process much like if you were to adopt a baby) and if they are fit then they can have a child, otherwise the pregnancy would be illegal and should be aborted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    over population (what ever the hell that is) is usually identified in impoverished areas. Instead of making criminals out of the poor and uneducated, what else would we be able to do so that these people can make intelligent decisions on procreation?
    Right you are, third world countries procreate x5 as quickly as the US. And in the US I forget the numbers, but it's obviously the poor families that procreate more vs the better off families.

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    for a government to have their nose up our asss so far that they can tell us if we can have babies, then... while their nose is up our assss, what else do you think they will be itching to tell us?

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    Shouldn't the government be worrying more about Barry Bonds ?

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    ^ EXACTLY!

    Barry Bonds is a huge issue and the National Guard should just come in and carry his asss off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    Shouldn't the government be worrying more about Barry Bonds ?
    Barry Bonds is a product of what happens when you don't have birthing licenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatissimusaurousRex View Post
    Barry Bonds is a product of what happens when you don't have birthing licenses.
    I would think that more people would want an outstanding athlete like Barry Bonds in the family.

    Barry is a terrible example if you're trying to be funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    I would think that more people would want an outstanding athlete like Barry Bonds in the family.

    Barry is a terrible example if you're trying to be funny.
    His old man was definately less contraversial, and won the hearts of his fans. then again, I think we were more naive back then, without the 24 hour news channels

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    We will come to the point that birth "rights" will be limited. I like your idea of the "temporary" sterilization.
    Or, we could give a $ bonus to any female who remains childless to age 23.

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    ^ It sounds you like this principle, in theory. How would you like it if you were a newlywed, wanted to father a child, and was denied by the government?

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    First off let me say that I am pro-choice.

    But ever wonder way anti-abortion activist are white christians, like Eric Roudolph?

    Because most abortions are by white women.

    Black, Latino, Asains do not get abortions very often.

    Something to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    I would think that more people would want an outstanding athlete like Barry Bonds in the family.

    Barry is a terrible example if you're trying to be funny.
    I was trying to be funny, I don't really care about Bonds at all he can use all the steroids in the world for all I care. IMO sports will eventually evolve to the point to where it's just a bunch of monkeys pumped full of drugs throwing a ball insanely far and fast for our amusement.
    Last edited by LatissimusaurousRex; 04-01-2011 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemont51 View Post
    We will come to the point that birth "rights" will be limited. I like your idea of the "temporary" sterilization.
    Or, we could give a $ bonus to any female who remains childless to age 23.
    yes, these are the types of government incentives I'm talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    ^ It sounds you like this principle, in theory. How would you like it if you were a newlywed, wanted to father a child, and was denied by the government?
    That's the point it doesn't matter how I feel. If I want a kid that bad I think I can get my and my new wife's life together to a certain degree allowing a better environment for a child. I'm not saying the standards have to be set SO high, but any kind of standards at all would be nice.

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    Actually the more I look at the statistics everybody is having abortions.

    I just remember hearing an interview with Eric Rudolph saying that the reason he was bombing the clinics was because abortions were one of the reasons that the white race was becoming a minority.

    Again I am not a racist or pro-life

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    I'm a big fan of the morning after pill (never seen one though, just like the idea). What's the status of this pill? Not yet in the USA?

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    I heard my GF talking about it, I think it's here in the US. You might need a script for it IDK, I haven't looked into it at all.

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    Anyone can get the morning after pill in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    Anyone can get the morning after pill in the US.
    I'll drink to that

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    I ve takin a few girls to the gyno to get the morning after pill and the doctors told them to take 4 birth control pills and it is the same thing.

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