Anyone have experience with these?

[Mackn]

For my first cycle I will be doing prop at 150mg EOD and I want to add tbol to it but I have been researching and it looks like hdrol is the exact same thing as tbol? Hdrol is also a lot cheaper. Does anyone know if tbol is pretty much the same thing as hdrol? Has anyone ran both and seen different results from the two? Thanks in advance.

[Mackn]

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[dru23]

yes,

[dru23]

i actually find and have heard that hdrol is superior for a number of reasons.

[dru23]

1. Hdrol typicaly seems to gain you a few more lbs a little quicker.

2. Both have nearly no sides

3. Hdrols quality is backed by a reputable company ( you know what your putting in yourself)

4. Hdrol cost next to nothing, Tbol could get expensive if wanting to run sufficiant dose.

5. Both seem to be easy as far as keeping gains go.

6. Both are low toxicity and dont cause much hair loss. I have probably found more people reporting hairloss with Tbol than they do with Hdrol. Thats confusing cuz i know hdrol is slightly more androgenic..

[chi]

i would not consider prop as a first cycle let alone at 150mgs eod. You don't know your reaction to aas and also you want to add a second compound to it. I would consider starting with a test eth or cyp run at a modest doasge for a first cycle

[Mackn]

i would not consider prop as a first cycle let alone at 150mgs eod. You don't know your reaction to aas and also you want to add a second compound to it. I would consider starting with a test eth or cyp run at a modest doasge for a first cycle

I want to avoid bloat and use a short acting ester. I don't see a problem with using prop for a first cycle, just more pinning is all. I might start at 100mg EOD and bump it up if I feel the need.

[dru23]

^^^^^ this

start with 250 mg of test e would be my suggestion. sorry i didnt address that point at first. but that i definitely agree.

[Mackn]

1. Hdrol typicaly seems to gain you a few more lbs a little quicker.

2. Both have nearly no sides

3. Hdrols quality is backed by a reputable company ( you know what your putting in yourself)

4. Hdrol cost next to nothing, Tbol could get expensive if wanting to run sufficiant dose.

5. Both seem to be easy as far as keeping gains go.

6. Both are low toxicity and dont cause much hair loss. I have probably found more people reporting hairloss with Tbol than they do with Hdrol. Thats confusing cuz i know hdrol is slightly more androgenic..

Is this coming from your personal experience or just from what you have heard? As far as how hdrol gives out better results...

[Mackn]

^^^^^ this

start with 250 mg of test e would be my suggestion. sorry i didnt address that point at first. but that i definitely agree.

250mg of Test E would be a waste of time

[chi]

I want to avoid bloat and use a short acting ester. I don't see a problem with using prop for a first cycle, just more pinning is all. I might start at 100mg EOD and bump it up if I feel the need.

let us know how that goes really. sorry man you are in for something you have no clue about. what are your stats. what is your pct?

[chi]

250mg of Test E would be a waste of time

how old are you? you dont even know your reaction to test bud. You never cycled before yet your saying it would be a waste of time

[dru23]

250mg of Test E would be a waste of time

lol...wow seriously? having never done a cycle and saying 250mg of test e would be a waste of time?? wow. guess i wish i had your test levels that 250 mg of test would be a "waste of time"

[Mackn]

[QUOTE=chi;5586076]let us know how that goes really. sorry man you are in for something you have no clue about. what are your stats. what is your pct?[/QUOTE]

how old are you? you dont even know your reaction to test bud. You never cycled before yet your saying it would be a waste of time

Stats -
Age - 28
Height - 6 "
Weight - 205
Bf - around 12%
Cycle exp - None
Lifting exp - 9 years

Pct - Nolva 40/20/20/20 Tore 120/60/60/60

After reading a lot on here my opinion is that a Test e cycle at 250mg pw would yield descent results but not as good as say 500mg pw. Everyone says to take advantage of your first cycle, I feel 250mg is too weak... Just my opinion

[dru23]

it being your first cycle, 250mg of test e is the recommended starting cycle. ive known guys that use 250 into their 3rd cycles. and definitely starting off i wouldnt just jump your body up with that much test, 250 is good to start getting your body into it, 5 or 6 weeks in if you feel ok jumping to 400 maybe even 500mg a week might be ok. but just jumping your body off with that high of a level of test is definitely not recommended, and i dont know many others that would suggest you starting at 500mg of test e much less 100 or 150 of prop eod.

[Mackn]

it being your first cycle, 250mg of test e is the recommended starting cycle. ive known guys that use 250 into their 3rd cycles. and definitely starting off i wouldnt just jump your body up with that much test, 250 is good to start getting your body into it, 5 or 6 weeks in if you feel ok jumping to 400 maybe even 500mg a week might be ok. but just jumping your body off with that high of a level of test is definitely not recommended, and i dont know many others that would suggest you starting at 500mg of test e much less 100 or 150 of prop eod.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...for-the-Newbie

^^ Sticky that list all good " beginner cycles "

Who is reccommending 250mg pw? You? I have not found one sticky on this board or heard from anyone that reccommends 250mg of test a week to start....

Every vet that I have talked to has said that prop at 75mg ED or 150mg EOD only for a first cycle is fine.. I don't know where you have been getting your info.

[Honkey_Kong]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...for-the-Newbie

^^ Sticky that list all good " beginner cycles "

Who is reccommending 250mg pw? You? I have not found one sticky on this board or heard from anyone that reccommends 250mg of test a week to start....

Every vet that I have talked to has said that prop at 75mg ED or 150mg EOD only for a first cycle is fine.. I don't know where you have been getting your info.

From my experiences, you'll be better off with a long ester test for a first cycle. I think 500mg is rather high for steroid virgin, but 250 isn't that much more than what some people get for TRT doses. I think 300-400mg of test E or C would be a good dose to start with to give you the gains you want while minimizing side-effects. I suggest a long ester, because you can pin yourself less frequently (once or twice a week depending on you how decide to arrange it). And on top of that, the longer ester tests don't get as sore as the shorter ones (like prop), but there are a lot of factors in that. The downside is that it'll take up to four weeks or so before you start making gains with the long ester tests.

[Bulkn]

I wouldn't do less than 400

[cro]

i ran 300 mg and had good results

[Flacco]

i ran 300 mg and had good results

And look at Cro! His 1st cycle I believe.

Mackn You've been giving people advice on cycles all this time and you haven't even started one yet!?

[Fetch]

250 is a bit low in my opinion as well, though it can work for people. And yes, technically you CAN pin Prop your first cycle, it's just a lot of pinning and more painful experience. I would recommend a longer ester for that reason alone... you need to give your muscles time to get used to the invasive needles/oil.

[alluprbdy]

My first cycle was prop @ 350mg/wk and it kicked ass. You may wanna give that a go, I did 50mg ED for 8 weeks, was +30# at the peak of the cycle.

[Mackn]

My first cycle was prop @ 350mg/wk and it kicked ass. You may wanna give that a go, I did 50mg ED for 8 weeks, was +30# at the peak of the cycle.

Nice, did you do a log? What were your before and after stats?

[warlord_wang]

I always thought hdrol was a pho & not classified as a aas