My First Cycle (Log)

[Ibo]

Hello Forum users i decided to make a log here so you guys can review it and help me out as i go through with this..

Heres a little info about me:
My stats At the begging of the cycle were :
19 years old
153 lbs
5.10" - 5.11"

back in the days I use to work out daily and had a good routine, at one point i got to 165 pounds, but then i began to drink and party heavily, give up on the gym and after 9 months of partying, i was back at my low weight of 153 pounds. I decided to go back at the gym, I made sure i worked out for 3 months at least before i started my cycle.

My cycle consists off:
100 Dbols
3x 10ml Test E
20 amps of Sustanon 250
And debating weather to go Nolvadex or Clomid, and HCG.

I begain my cycle exactly 54 days ago, (I know this because i have a chart starting from day 1 with photos, info, days of injections, etc...

I started the first week with just my dbols.. took about 3 a day for the ongoing 5 weeks.. I begain to Inject Test E, first week did 300mg In my thighs, (Monday, and Thursday)..
After my first injection my thigh got numb, and it felt sore.. it was a good feeling. Id switch from right and left thigh every injection. until the first vial finished. (I did 400mg injections after only did 300 mg the first week.)

I also timed my dbols to run out on the week when the Test E should kick in..
Ive been taking weekly pictures of my progress, and keeping up with my workouts and diet. I also take vita stacks, and have some protein shake after my workout and early in the morning 1-2 hours before-breakfast. (I also obviously eat with it. )

So basically now im on week 8, injecting about 400mgs 2wice a week - The Test E is kicking in i started feeling it im on my second vial. At about 171 pouds at the moment..

So far:
Start: week 0
153 lbs


Week: 4
162 lbs


Week: 8
171 lbs



Im still debating on when exactly to start my PCT, and which 1 to do..
I will have progress pics up.. and if you guys can help me out and support me though this.

Thanks, and i apologize for the long essay i got going over here. Cheers.

[SlimmerMe]

^^^ all of this and you are 19?

[Ibo]

^^^ all of this and you are 19?

Yee that was the only issue i knew that was gonna come up but yeahh.. Plus i already started cant really reverse anything but go hard at it..

[SlimmerMe]

Well well well is all I can say.....

also you might want to pass this by Swifto in the PCT forum and ask in his "Swifto's Q&A" to get real PCT feedback to make sure you are doing all of this right ( especially your PCT) before it is TOO late....

[Ibo]

Well well well is all I can say.....

also you might want to pass this by Swifto in the PCT forum and ask in his "Swifto's Q&A" to get real PCT feedback to make sure you are doing all of this right ( especially your PCT) before it is TOO late....

Should i repost my whole post on there? or just ask them what pct i should do.. ?

[SlimmerMe]

Let him know everything you are doing....and post in Swiftos Q&A in the PCT forum to get the ball rolling...he is the expert here

[SlimmerMe]

here is the link.....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto....

[Ibo]

here is the link.....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto....

Thankyou !

[bass]

more statistics to the steroid abuse!

[Standby]

even tho your to young and could have made more gains natty there a big difference from week 0-4 got any currents you can post up?

[Windex]

Good God - you don't even know what to do for PCT and had very poor planning + research and you started to cycle anyways...Hope you don't have to take Viagra to get stiff in a few years. post pics 2 months after your cycle, I'd be surprised if you keep any of your gains. Best of luck your going to need it.

[Gucks]

3 months of training? try 3 years man! ur 154 ibs! i coudl easily get to at least 180ibs natty in a year of proper training and dieting. whats ur diet like? and u dont have ur pct sorted? 800mg of test e a week for ur first cycle is stupid aswell. i could go on...

[east coast 13]

im 30years old 200lb ,i have all my gear ready to go but im still holding for my first cycle,i think you should stop now do a pct and wait till when you are ready......

[MACHINE5150]

^^^Shaking head in disbelief..

[Ibo]

Good God - you don't even know what to do for PCT and had very poor planning + research and you started to cycle anyways...Hope you don't have to take Viagra to get stiff in a few years. post pics 2 months after your cycle, I'd be surprised if you keep any of your gains. Best of luck your going to need it.

Loll nahh i dont need Viagra.. and kk i will post pics

[Ibo]

I never asked yu forum uses to hate. on me i asked for advice .. :/ only person that was helpful was SlimmerMe
My pct woulda been Clomid and HCG but i was askin yu guys for advice .. maybe i should choose something different..

[MACHINE5150]

Loll nahh i dont need Viagra.. and kk i will post pics

maybe not now.. but you keep doing test at your age and u will soon enough.. you run a high rik of doing irreversible damage to your hormonal system by doing AAs at your age.

[bass]

I never asked yu forum uses to hate. on me i asked for advice .. :/ only person that was helpful was SlimmerMe
My pct woulda been Clomid and HCG but i was askin yu guys for advice .. maybe i should choose something different..

well you asked for advice and you got it, you just don't want to listen!

[SlimmerMe]

I never asked yu forum uses to hate. on me i asked for advice .. :/ only person that was helpful was SlimmerMe
My pct woulda been Clomid and HCG but i was askin yu guys for advice .. maybe i should choose something different..

That's nice to hear but I certainly hope YOU HEAR what the guys are trying to tell you.

19 is way too early. We want for you to be safe and not come back here next year begging for help as you try to fix what you have already done. Please go to Swifto as I suggested and get him to help you get off all of this correctly so you do not mess yourself up.

[rekone77]

Buddy no one is tryin to hate on u they r just tryin to tell u thata aas is a little bit more serious on your body than u think. Obviously u are goin to do what u want but deffinately do some more research so you don't do some serious unreversible stuff to your body. Gotta have thick skin on this forum but all the info they have given is correct buddy

[FireGuy]

I did get a good laugh on the "back in the days when I used to work out regularly." That kind of quote is usually reserved for people at least over 30 not at 19 years old.

[lovbyts]

maybe not now.. but you keep doing test at your age and u will soon enough.. you run a high rik of doing irreversible damage to your hormonal system by doing AAs at your age.

Besides that he looks like he has been working out for a whole 6 months and is about 4 years away from being ready for any type of cycle if not more. Why do kids think they need aas when they are not even close to being in shape? Go back to the comic books where you can believe in the magic pill or nuclear/hazardous waste accident that transforms you into some super hero because that's your understanding of aas.

Sorry but post like this are pathetic at best. Reminds me of the old skinny dude at the beach who gets sand kicked in his face using aas to jack himself up. Doesn't happen that way.

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[marcus300]

Stop taking steroids straight away before you cause yourself damage, DO NOT IGNORE THIS ADVICE.

[SlimmerMe]

Stop taking steroids straight away before you cause yourself damage, DO NOT IGNORE THIS ADVICE.

IBO....you heard it from the TOP now!

I just checked the PCT forum where Swifto has his thread.....I do not see anything from you asking him how to approach stopping all of this. You need to stop and get Swifto's advice as to what to do now.....

PLEASE!!!

You can mess with your endocrine system by doing all of this and all of these guys are trying to tell you this. They have been down this road and know. And many of them are trying their best to stay away from the "Over 40 forum" and by continuing what you are doing? You are headed to that forum faster than you can imagine. 'Tis true.

I want to see a post in Swifto's Q&A asap please. Tell him everything you have been doing. NOW!

[cyounger100]

im 30years old 200lb ,i have all my gear ready to go but im still holding for my first cycle,i think you should stop now do a pct and wait till when you are ready......

i did the same bud good decision i was the same age and weight you are goin too be one happy camper once you start im 220 now

[cyounger100]

i really hope you listen too marcus but if not you want be the first 20 YO too not get there dik hard lolll

[Ibo]

alright guys.. ive decided im gonna stay away from sust.. and im just gonna find a pct, for test e.. for my self and get my self out of it.. Ill let yu guys know how its going and fix shit upp ... thanks for the advice. ill post up pics and get my self checked upp at a clinic like i always do.

[bass]

alright guys.. ive decided im gonna stay away from sust.. and im just gonna find a pct, for test e.. for my self and get my self out of it.. Ill let yu guys know how its going and fix shit upp ... thanks for the advice. ill post up pics and get my self checked upp at a clinic like i always do.

congratulations, you've made a smart move, not many youngsters listen to advice but you did and i commend you for it. when the time comes, everyone will help you with your cycle! good luck!

[lovbyts]

No also be smart and continue learning how to eat and stick in the gym every day just like you where on cycle. You will still have the same or better results without all the negative side effects. Dont think that without the juice you are doomed to being skinny, far from it. You have ever bit of potential as you did before but now you dont have to worry about all the negative parts.

[Ibo]

No also be smart and continue learning how to eat and stick in the gym every day just like you where on cycle. You will still have the same or better results without all the negative side effects. Dont think that without the juice you are doomed to being skinny, far from it. You have ever bit of potential as you did before but now you dont have to worry about all the negative parts.

I will, ive been researching and eating and working hard, i guess now im just gonna keep it at natural, and healthy way..

[lovex]

post the lastest Pics....

[marcus300]

I will, ive been researching and eating and working hard, i guess now im just gonna keep it at natural, and healthy way..

Well done. Good news

[SlimmerMe]

x 2.....thanks for this news Ibo~ Smart move.

[Standby]

still wanna see the latest pics lol

[Ibo]

still wanna see the latest pics lol

Ill post it up in the next day or 2 when i fix my camera..

[SlimmerMe]

Since you are stopping do you have your PCT plan?

[shawgy]

Hey guys im new on this and love the advice and education im getting.But i need some advice myself.Im 38 and used to be a great all around athelete.Ive fallen off the wagon,now!!!!!! im ready to change.I wanna start a cycle to give me a quick boost and get rockin.Im 5-11 and about 200lbs.got some belly fat,gettin serious about my diet.What should i start using to cut fat and build muscle.I dont wanna look like the man on the cover of a mag but a wanna look lean and have good natural lookin muscles with some good size.Any help?

[rekone77]

start your own thread in the newbies section