tell me adex or aromasin or stay on letro

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Ok trying to figure what is best im readying and cannot come. Up with a definitive!
4wk
Tren prop
wk1 100mg prop ed
gyno almost instant from day one started nolva 10 mg ed
wk 2 added 75mg tren ace
Alsofrom middle of wk 2 I added letro dropped nolva
letro 2:5mg ed
I have asked
so this week I dropped my test to to 50
I feel the gyno is from the test not tren
should I run adex or aromasin
I am tapering off the letro been 2 weeks no change added 20mg ed of nolve until I can get either dex or aro
help a brotha out!
Im on tren hard to do lots of cardio but tightened diet
im 5' 7 232 guessing high 15bf
I want a big chest not my own personal pair of tits
just give it to me guys.
I know I may have missed a step but lecture me later please thansk!

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Sorry on week 4
Of a 8wk

[bigbossofdariver]

your post was a bit confusing, but if you are really prone to gyno you could just stay on letro at a lower dose once your gyno subsides. say about a 1/4 a dose ed. also if you do choose another AI most ppl would suggest aromasin over adex.

[Lemonada8]

lower your prop to 50mg ed because that is obivously causing sides. You want the effects of tren more than test correct? then run 75mg ed of tren a. Up your nolva to 20mg and drop the AI. You naturally have more progestins in ur body so more tren and a lower but good test would be more in balance. If you have bad libido, increse the test to 75 and up tren to 100. You want to find what enough test is for your body to keep ur sex drive up and etc, the minimal amount then stack from there. That will increase keepable gains, and maximize recovery success due to you are still in balance just lowering the amounts, not lowering amounts and adjusting balance... thats what makes recovery harsh. Also with Tren, Def run HCG 500iu 2x week during ur cycle then first week of PCT take either 1000iu HCG, followed by clomid/nolva 100/100/50/50////40/40/30/30, OR Triptorelin *** imma have to get back to a better solutoin with this though...

and clean your diet up. Go a little calorie deficient to drop the excess fat, do alot of long fat burning HR walking/swimming. Something low impact cuz of ur size ur tryin to be big, well u gotta make sure ur heart is in shape. Tren is gonna kill endurance, but thats because it lowers ur hearts capacity for high capacity exercise. If you keep deep breathing during yoru exercise, wear a HR monitor and be in the 60-70%max hr and ull burn off that fat. Be sure NOT to get out of breath, but to be able to keep a pace going with deep breathing. You want to stay aerobic, aka using oxygen, so deep breaths help that. Like i said any hard exercise is gonna be hard cuz of the decreased capacity of the heart.


thats about it.. if u have any questions lemme know!

[Lil-C]

Neverbigenough, has the gyno subsided after the use of letro?

I'm in the same boat. I'm 7 weeks in a tren/test cycle and trying to deal with fighting gyno. I've used liqdex from week 2 but that didn't work. Just started nolva 40mg Ed for the past few days. Hopefully the lumps go down soon. If not I'll have to use letro.

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Yeah sorry it was alittle confusing
ok letro was not working for me. So im dropping it
my sex drive has been through the roof.
my only sides are the gyno sometimes short of breath. The letro made me achy.
thanks lemon exactly what I was looking for. I will. Try out the 50/75. Mix all this week may go up to 75/100 just to maximize my cycle
I wil run the nolva 20ed

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

yeah im pushing 235 I reall wouldnt mind dropping down to 215 or less
i can see top abs but i got a little belly i eat! and well a beer here and there are getting to my waist
i have hcg on hand i need to order some bac water
im going to try to restrict some calories do better dropping carbs around 6pm.
maybe i have a body responds lower doses.
thansk for all your input!

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

lil-c no the gyno has not at all with letro. thats why were saying i have higher progestins in my body naturally and that i need to lower my test

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Alright check it out been 4 days at 50prop 75 tren today was last day to tapper off letro been on20mg ed for few days on nolva and puffy nips and soreness is less. I couldn't even touch my check it achhed so far so good. And haven't noticed a drop in anything.today weight was 235 up 3lbs from a a few days ago

[Ashop]

The LETRO should be doing the job. Are you sure the gyno is estrogen related?

[Lemonada8]

Vit b6 helps with possible prolactin issues. make sure u have a multivit.

I would think its estro based, since it flared up before he started tren.

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

yeah its estro based
letro did nothing. only thing letro did is taste like shit and my knees and elbows hurt.
so i believe its estro not prolactin.
think i am just test senstive gotta find that sweet spot. with test and stack like lemonda said
only tren sides i feel is shortness of breath sometimes.
im already bald haha
no acne
definitely a little short and snappy with people
sex drive is like im 15 the wind blows

[franklin 13]

firstly, your gyno was induced from the prop you were running
i believe you started cycling with too high of a bf and this increased your chances for developing gyno
preferably you should of started this cycle a couple of bf loiwer at least
when it comes to Ai's i would defs suggest aromasin over arimidex as it is a suicidal inhibitor and easier on you lipid levels
however, if you plan on running an AI for the purposes of gyno stick with letro
letro is very potent and is known to 'kill" gyno better than most

due to its chemical structure, tren is resistant to the aromatize enzyme so none of it will convert to estrogen. obviously, estrogen levels and gyno are very closely related. however, tren does increase prolactin like you stated.

it's quite possible that letro just isnt for you as different people reactr different to substances. although, i would reccomend you look into a SERM called toremifene that is known to be quite potent in the fiht against gyno. tore effectively kills existing gyno ans stops new gyno from forming by means of inhibiting other cells from replicating (mitosis).

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

I will look into toremifene.
today im off letro completely still on 20mg ed of nolva
almost sensitivity is almost gone completly still little puffy but better everyday. at least im not waking up in pain.
im also one of those guys weight fluctuating up and down. i have lost and gained 15lbs in a month.
im working on dropping so bf trying to keeo protein high and carbs and fat little lower so my calories stay low and walking on trader mill and a good pace on incline just to get sweating.

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

alright wanted to let all know. 50prop 75tren
dropping prop to 50ed was great with the nolva
almost within a day saw a hug decrease in my gyno issues,.
I bumped my prop up to 75 for 2days and IMMMMMMEDIATELY nips got sore and puffy
so for my body under 350mg test a week is prolly my sweet spot
mayev even 300.lower sides aka no gyno for me with lowere dose test. i know low dose but stacking will be way to go
also i know most know this but i slacked on water intake can anyone say rusty brown urine!~!!! drank a ton of water pee normal again.