On the steroid.com site. there as steroid effectiveness chart that has test cyp giving higher stregnth gains then tren. this makes me question the integrity of this chart.
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On the steroid.com site. there as steroid effectiveness chart that has test cyp giving higher stregnth gains then tren. this makes me question the integrity of this chart.
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Dont see how it can,Tren is 5 times more anabolic than test mg for mg. Nothing has increased my strenght like tren does in actual use....
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That chart is completely junk
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tren never did shit for my strength. But it made me very vascular and hard and burned some fat away.
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Tren is the pinnacle of all steroids...its by far the strongest compound mg for mg but it also comes with some nasty sides which is why I will never touch the stuff! Shuts you down hard, makes you loose hair no matter who you are, gives you a limp dick unless you are taking a moderate dose of test along side it and is much much harder on your liver than test alone. But man have I seen guys in the gym change while using tren! one of my budies dropped like 10lbs of fat and gained prob 25lbs with the stuff and he wasnt even dieting lol crazy!
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See tren made me HORNY lol
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I never lost any hair any of the times I ran tren...Originally Posted by awms
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and my sex drive goes through the roof.
things effect people differently.
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Yeah me either lol. Never shed a hair on tren. I lost more hair from ****in dbol than tren. Funny though, i ran Winny Tren and Masteron in a cycle and never lost hair. But then i do dbol one time and hair falls off like its snowing. Wtf? lol
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havent used tren but test cyp is awesome for size and strength
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No size gain for me or my buddy, just a great cutting effect. Not sure if A or E is different when it comes to gains.
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Ive heard E is incredible. Never tried it though.
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Ill try E next blast but probably after Deca.
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I have run Tren A, Test Prop, Test Cyp and Deca and combinations of all but Deca and Tren together and for me none worked as well as Tren for quick growth and strength. However something I noticed that dirtybrd said is that Cyp alone works great for cutting as long as you watch your diet carefully, conversly Cyp and Deca give great gains, strangly enough without a lot of bloat for me, possibly because I always ran a very large dose of Cyp as well as a good sized dose of Deca.
Couple of other notes, Tren did cause significant hair loss. Toward the end of my Deca blast it caused significant zits on my back and shoulders as well as hair on my shoulders and back. For these reasons I stopped it as I am 55 and have never had body acne "backnee" or hair on my upper back or shoulders and was not about to join the middle east club at this late stage LOL. However I am happy to report that after dropping the Deca the backnee has subsided as well as the hair growth and I would not hesitate to run Deca again, ohh yeah this all started about wk 8 of my 12 wk blast along with a slight loss of labido which has also subsided.
Last edited by Far from massive; 05-28-2011 at 08:23 PM.
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So you ran winny. Tren a. And master on with out any test how did that work. Bet u was lean and strong as he'll?
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I'm 11.8 % bf. How do you think it would work. I'm 5'9". At 190 to 195. Thick in the chest and shoulders. Bench is around 380 to 390
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tay-boe bit early to be bullshitting on the forum mate those lifts just aren't realistic at that low body fat and weight...
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nothing is stronger,tren is the strongest item commercially used.
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It all depends on the person. Tren never facked with my hair and I ran it at 125/mg ed for 6 months straight once. It did shut me down big time though and caused fina dick a few times over the years. Test and tren are by far the only two things I have absolute faith in if you're looking to see great results for the money.
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Winstrol stomps tren in strength gains and hardness
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You my friend, have high natural levels of DHT im guessing..
From what ive gathered, dbol messes with the other side of the DHT+t/E ratio.
DHT derived cause hairloss thru similar actions of the hormone.
DBOL is more estrogenic than winny, mast... so it plays with the 'bottom' part of the ratio (the estrogen)
DBOL raises estro, I hope u didnt take finasteride with DBOL that makes it worse...
estrogen causes hairloss also...
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My estro has been a bit high on tests. Ive been cruising for a long time wanting to come off, (ive posted this in other threads). I usually blast and cruise. Cruise on 200mg test a week and blast to 400 MAX. When im on 200 my E2 is about 47 (still a tad bit high) max is 55. When i go to 400 im at like 90.You my friend, have high natural levels of DHT im guessing..
From what ive gathered, dbol messes with the other side of the DHT+t/E ratio.
DHT derived cause hairloss thru similar actions of the hormone.
DBOL is more estrogenic than winny, mast... so it plays with the 'bottom' part of the ratio (the estrogen)
DBOL raises estro, I hope u didnt take finasteride with DBOL that makes it worse...
estrogen causes hairloss also...
I do notice when my E2 is too high my sex drive tends to fade dramatically and my mood is depression. Never knew E2 caused hairloss, maybe thats why i went through a big shed. I was extremely bloated on Dbol. But yeah i stacked mast and winny and never had a problem with hair. My DHT is only 29. So not really that high.
As far as propecia.. I will NEVER take that. Id rather be bald with muscles and a hard dick than feel miserable with no libido just to save a few hairs. Plus if i went bald i wouldnt care, i pull it off quite well and chicks dig it. esp when ur jacked lol.
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haha i did winny for a cycle i ended up shavin my head.. i think it makes me look more muscular than a head full of shaggy hair lol. but never again for winny...
ok gotcha, im still puttin this DHT+t/E ratio down. got it a lil backwards.
Do u take a low dose AI during ur cruise? w8 ur wantin to comeoff..
200mg week cruise is a bit on the high side, if ur wantin to come off might wanna drop this down to 150mg/week cuz typically test cyp 200mg every 2 weeks is a TRT dose. (so 100mg/week)
It does take some time for the AR to balance itself, so keeping it as close to normal possible can help increase recovery.
Since ur DHT is low, you could get away with some mast/winny by itself and not suffer much suppression. but i doubt u have a use for it...
if ur wantin of, better start some HCG asap
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Yeah man but im to paranoid about losing size. I will go into a depression. I had a bad traumatic incident happen in my life which has caused me to use steroids as my bandaid. Very wrong and stupid decision. As dumb as this sounds, being muscular makes me happy. Please dont flame me guys, im just being honest. I went down a rough road and hey i made my bed now i gotta sleep in it, i get that, and thats how it is.
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^^ better than than a bottle of jack
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lol good point
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Yeah Roid Reaper I do the same as you.Cruise at 200 blast at 400.I love tren my wife loves trenMakes me horny as hell.My strength goes thru the roof.Makes me vascular as hell
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Never any sex drive problems on 200mg a week right? Im hornier than i was at 16 on test lol. Have been for a while.Yeah Roid Reaper I do the same as you.Cruise at 200 blast at 400.I love tren my wife loves tren
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Better to be jacked then drink it!!
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tren is some crazy shit. ive done it a few times. i def makes my hair fall out and i get super vascular. strength goes throught he roof. make me sweat really really bad. i end up sleeping on towels every night, when i can sleep. it did give me fina dick as well but thats what cilas is for. it also help shred me. im not a very aggressive person but i have a short wick on that shit. never could gain much size on it though. its def some potent stuff but the sides are a little to much for me to handle. when im able to get back in it. it will be test, deca, a-bombs for me. i believe it will be a while until that happens. probably take me 6-8 months just to get close to where i was when i hurt shoulder, if ever
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