Is my logic flawed?

[TBrah]

should someone taking steroids be able to get bigger than someone not using anything?

[Str8Jakked]

Lol, yes- you're logic is flawed...

[TBrah]

Lol, yes- you're logic is flawed...

shouldn't someone unnatural be able to get bigger than somebody who's natural? i dont understand

[Str8Jakked]

You seriously edited your original post for some strange reason....

[TBrah]

You seriously edited your original post for some strange reason....

nah I tried ot make it simpler and I should have put this in the Q & A. Thought it would have bee a more popular debate my bad.

[Twist]

Yes, people taking steroids can get larger than people who don't.

[Times Roman]

Yes, people taking steroids can get larger than people who don't.

however, there are so many "qualifiers" to this statement. For example, a dude with 40% BF on aas?

Other examples I'm sure you can easily think of.....

[Shol'va]

however, there are so many "qualifiers" to this statement. For example, a dude with 40% BF on aas?

Other examples I'm sure you can easily think of.....

You bring up a good point. Id like to see a study on guys with excessive B/F and doing steroids. Like how many have done cycles with that high of B/F. What issues they are having, if it works for them or not. It would make an interesting read.

[lovbyts]

Way to many things to consider here such as diet, genetics, training routine and 100s of other things so the answer is Yes, No, maybe, sometimes.

[Times Roman]

exactly! maybe, well almost, kinda....

[Flier]

Don´t understand the q, or what u guys are talking about.
Bigger?
Penis? Muscles?
Maybe it´s a joke I´m not getting. Happens to me a lot, especially in the US.

[gixxerboy1]

you cant compare to different people like that. like lovbyts said there are to many other factors.

[Hoggage_54]

[Twist]

wtf are you guys talking about? People who take steroids are not bound by genetic potential so therefore they are able to get bigger muscles than someone natural. Stop complicating the question.

[lovbyts]

wtf are you guys talking about? People who take steroids are not bound by genetic potential so therefore they are able to get bigger muscles than someone natural. Stop complicating the question.

That's not true in all cases. There are people who just have sucky genetics and even with all the aas they wont get big. It's usually because they will also develop other extreme side effects along the way making it impossible to continue and again if your diet is not supportive or the muscle growth you just end up eating your own muscle tissue for energy.

Your statement is to generic.

[TBrah]

I'm sure his off season he is still at sub 10%. Just because you use does not mean you can be in better shape than him. He has plenty of time under his belt and knows alot about nutrition and training. Knowledge is what gives you an edge.

true there's no way I could get into better shape than him he gets shredded during contests. I just meant more muscle if he's like 220lbs 8% offseason I should be able to get to like 240 at like 15% if I'm eating enough right?

That's not true in all cases. There are people who just have sucky genetics and even with all the aas they wont get big. It's usually because they will also develop other extreme side effects along the way making it impossible to continue and again if your diet is not supportive or the muscle growth you just end up eating your own muscle tissue for energy.

Your statement is to generic.

Is it possible for people to not be able to absorb food after a certain point? I feel like all the extra food I'm eating isn't doing anything. I'm definatley eating at a surplus maybe I'm just being impatient lol.

[Twist]

That's not true in all cases. There are people who just have sucky genetics and even with all the aas they wont get big Yes, but they would get bigger with aas than without aas. It's usually because they will also develop other extreme side effects along the way making it impossible to continue and again if your diet is not supportive or the muscle growth you just end up eating your own muscle tissue for energy.

Your statement is to generic.

It's a generic question. See bold

[TBrah]

I'm talking about Me vs Layne Norton specifically (a popular "natural" although he probably is good at just not getting caught)

I'm like 205 right now can only see 4 abs so I'm not sure of the bodyfat percentage?? Layne is like 220lbs off season.

So if I'm juicing I'm probably pathetic for not being able to get bigger than him right? assuming he is legit not on any slin/gh/aas

[auslifta]

I'm sure his off season he is still at sub 10%. Just because you use does not mean you can be in better shape than him. He has plenty of time under his belt and knows alot about nutrition and training. Knowledge is what gives you an edge.

[yungone501]

Yes!
Wait...no!
Shlt....well, hmm...f*ck if i know!

[yungone501]

Double posteroo!!!

[Standby]

i understand what everyone is saying here but im with twist. take 2 ppl. twins even. eat the same shit at the same time workout exactly the same but juice one of them.

[lovbyts]

Give the juice to the twin with MS and none to the other and the natural one still wins. hahahahaha Yes everything being equal the one using juice will get bigger of course or what would be the use of it.

[DSM4Life]

I just did a cycle of good genetics and am doing great.

[JohnnyVegas]

I just did a cycle of good genetics and am doing great.

Who is your source? I need to get me a cycle of good genetics.

[Standby]

Who is your source? I need to get me a cycle of good genetics.

fisher

[TBrah]

so basically 2 identical people one will definatley get bigger than the other if one is natural and one is not but it's not a guarentee if two different people are compared is what I'm getting.

[Twist]

so basically 2 identical people one will definatley get bigger than the other if one is natural and one is not but it's not a guarentee if two different people are compared is what I'm getting.

Yes.
With juice I can get bigger than I ever could have without juice, but I still will never be able to get as big as some people do naturally (look up member ty357, he's no longer natural but he was almost as big when he was, threads in members pics or cycle results).

[Standby]

pretty much