Been on trt for 4 years now and thinking of getting off. Need questions answered

[TASSY5]

Ok first no flaming, this is serious questions.

Ive been on 200 mg per week fpr the last 4 years. I went from a working slob basically to a fit strong guy that looks great.
43 yrs old
230 lb
5'10" h

here is my deal. it has over the last several years put a strain on my 25 yr marrage. reason for that is my sexual appitite, short temper now, and bascially i've become a asshole ( and I know it)
my marrage is falling apart and it has alot to do with my up front attitude now.
I was thinking about getting off for a while to see how things change with me.

If i was to ween down and stop completely am i going to be in for any harsh effects?
Will my nuts ever start working naturally again?
What can i expect????

My endo never explained to me yrs ago this would be for life and its seems to be hurting my relation ship with my wife and kids.

respectfully
thanks for any assistance

[Bigfoot66]

At 200 a week what are your levels? That could be the culprit.

Also an elevated E level can kick your *** if you aren't in tune with it.

Before going off talk to your MD about supplements that could taper down your disposition..and bring your wife in with you. My wife is my gauge for my levels being off.

In all seriousness being upfront isn't so bad if you are in control of it. It's taken me a while of being level to have my upfront expose itself. Not a bad feeling after many years of being the nice guy to a fault.

Ok first no flaming, this is serious questions.

Ive been on 200 mg per week fpr the last 4 years. I went from a working slob basically to a fit strong guy that looks great.
43 yrs old
230 lb
5'10" h

here is my deal. it has over the last several years put a strain on my 25 yr marrage. reason for that is my sexual appitite, short temper now, and bascially i've become a asshole ( and I know it)
my marrage is falling apart and it has alot to do with my up front attitude now.
I was thinking about getting off for a while to see how things change with me.

If i was to ween down and stop completely am i going to be in for any harsh effects?
Will my nuts ever start working naturally again?
What can i expect????

My endo never explained to me yrs ago this would be for life and its seems to be hurting my relation ship with my wife and kids.

respectfully
thanks for any assistance

[Far from massive]

My suggestion would be getting a full panel of bloodwork done to see where all your levels are, maybe seeing another Endo for this. If you were only 43 when you started and your endo did not explain the long term nature of TRT and the possilble consequences of stating treatment there is a good chance he also does not understand the importance of proper hormone levels, and more importantly the balance between the various hormones. Either too high a Testosterone level or too high or low estrogen level can cause problems, it may be that you only need a dosage of 100mg every wk to maintain suffecient to get your free Testosterone levels high enough to help you maintain your energy and libido without being so high as to cause your attitude to be inapropriate for someone 43-46 years old.

PS Did not mean to ignore your question on coming off entirely, I know it would be a rough go to try to get your endogenous testosterone production working again after 4 yrs even if it was perfect to begin with so since it was poor to begin with it will be very difficult. However I do not know much other than that so I will leave reccomendations on restarting your system to those who may have more knowlege.

[lifter65]

you should probably see a specialist if you're serious about coming off, not an endo or uro but an antiaging doc or dr crisler

[steroid.com 1]

Were you taking HCG during these past four years? If not, starting-up may be difficult if not impossible depending upon how much your testes atrophied.

Also, with the correct management of a TRT protocol you shouldn't be having anger and short temper issues. This suggests that something else is going on here IMO. What about E2 management???

As the other fellows mentioned here; you need to see a specialist who understands these things and knows how to get you re-started if that's even possible.

[JD250]

Dude, I've been married for 26 years so I understand you wanting to put your marriage first but please listen to what these guys are saying.......there are OTHER issues that are more than likely causing the "attitude" problems, having proper hormone balance won't make you an asshole........get complete blood work and the answer will probably be obvious.

Hang in there bro, we've all had ups and downs just like this, you'll be fine with a little persistence.

btw.......I've been an asshole most of my life, after getting dialed in close with my TRT protocol I find that I'm actually a pretty decent guy unless my e2 is out of whack.

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Yes, putting your marriage first is important. So you either get off TRT and have your T levels go back to where they were 4 years ago, or you fix your TRT so it is good for you and good for your marriage. 200 mg/week is a lot. I bet you could stay healthy and good on 100mg/week. I also bet your rage is T related and not HRT related (in other words you are doing too much T).

For what it is worth, I keep my Test Cyp low to avoid everything you are talking about. I am just happier and a better person at lower levels, and a bear at higher levels. Total T @ 900+ is just plain bad for me and my marriage. Total T @ 700 is very good for me and my marriage. My doc started me out at 100mg/week of Test Cyp. About a month into that I lowered it to 80mg/week for a variety of reasons. After 3 months I added 250 IU of hCG 2x/week and went back to 100mg/week of Test Cyp. After about a month of that I dropped back to 80mg/week of Test Cyp and 100 IU of hCG 2x/week. I plan on staying at this level for a long time because I feel so much better at it and am much happier at this level. Screw being able to do lots of sets and having great workout recovery. I want to be happy and I want to have a happy life. Big muscles and great workout recovery don't help me be happy and they don't help my marriage one bit. My current script is more than enough to allow me to have very good workouts, a good physique but not huge, and recover well enough do lift and do aerobics at a reasonable level for a 57 y/o man.

So as stated above, first thing is to get bloodwork done so you see where your T, free T, and E2 are at. Second thing to do is bounce over to the PCT forum and read all of that stuff. Because PCT (post cycle therapy) is exactly what you have to do; except your cycle was 4 years! But it is the same concept.

Finally, decide if you are going to do PCT or lower your T amount and get your mood roid rage control.

Good luck!

[steroid.com 1]

Yes, putting your marriage first is important. So you either get off TRT and have your T levels go back to where they were 4 years ago, or you fix your TRT so it is good for you and good for your marriage. 200 mg/week is a lot. I bet you could stay healthy and good on 100mg/week. I also bet your rage is T related and not HRT related (in other words you are doing too much T).

For what it is worth, I keep my Test Cyp low to avoid everything you are talking about. I am just happier and a better person at lower levels, and a bear at higher levels. Total T @ 900+ is just plain bad for me and my marriage. Total T @ 700 is very good for me and my marriage. My doc started me out at 100mg/week of Test Cyp. About a month into that I lowered it to 80mg/week for a variety of reasons. After 3 months I added 250 IU of hCG 2x/week and went back to 100mg/week of Test Cyp. After about a month of that I dropped back to 80mg/week of Test Cyp and 100 IU of hCG 2x/week. I plan on staying at this level for a long time because I feel so much better at it and am much happier at this level. Screw being able to do lots of sets and having great workout recovery. I want to be happy and I want to have a happy life. Big muscles and great workout recovery don't help me be happy and they don't help my marriage one bit. My current script is more than enough to allow me to have very good workouts, a good physique but not huge, and recover well enough do lift and do aerobics at a reasonable level for a 57 y/o man.

So as stated above, first thing is to get bloodwork done so you see where your T, free T, and E2 are at. Second thing to do is bounce over to the PCT forum and read all of that stuff. Because PCT (post cycle therapy) is exactly what you have to do; except your cycle was 4 years! But it is the same concept.

Finally, decide if you are going to do PCT or lower your T amount and get your mood roid rage control.

Good luck!

GNBM, got to tell you man, I luv your posts and input here; always the voice of reason!

You're just an educated man, with a real life conservative approach to TRT and a real breath of fresh air compared to the guys who abuse TRT.

I for one appreciate your posts and sound responses.

Happy Father's Day!

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Thanks gdevine!

[zaggahamma]

200mg ew is a high dose to be on long term and/but agree with gdevine and whoever else agreed that anger management/behavior is a separate issue, imo

if you are "up front" about an issue that you should be upfront about you have that right...anger is ok, violence isnt..

coming off trt would be ludicrous..also, imo

[38jumper38]

Tell me about been asshole, I'm on trt for 15 weeks and my wife is ask me to get off. She say the more I work out, more muscle I put in, more animal I become, I'm trying to control myself, some times I just loose it. Hope don't put much pressure in my marriage.

[JD250]

200mg ew is a high dose to be on long term and/but agree with gdevine and whoever else agreed that anger management/behavior is a separate issue, imo

if you are "up front" about an issue that you should be upfront about you have that right...anger is ok, violence isnt..

coming off trt would be ludicrous..also, imo

Good points JPK.......maybe some of you guys should get some blood work done.......might need to back off a little on doses or get e2 under control.......I feel much more aggressive now.....but in a good way.......unless my E2 is jacked up, then I start getting a little short with people.


Did you guys have these issues before? Are they worse now?

[steroid.com 1]

TRT and hormone optimization managed and balanced correctly should NEVER show the neg sides of T abuse...and let me say it again...NEVER. Either the individual is being managed incorrectly or they are abusing. TRT is about the optimization of T in men who are low or are clinically low to mid/high normal levels.

Anger and short tempers that disrupt the fabric of a family is not what TRT is about.

It's this type of thing that threatens this type of therapy for us all.

If you guys have these sides and you are being managed by licensed medical physicians I suspect that things are worng and you need better medical supervision.

My .02 at least.

[TASSY5]

Yes, putting your marriage first is important. So you either get off TRT and have your T levels go back to where they were 4 years ago, or you fix your TRT so it is good for you and good for your marriage. 200 mg/week is a lot. I bet you could stay healthy and good on 100mg/week. I also bet your rage is T related and not HRT related (in other words you are doing too much T).

For what it is worth, I keep my Test Cyp low to avoid everything you are talking about. I am just happier and a better person at lower levels, and a bear at higher levels. Total T @ 900+ is just plain bad for me and my marriage. Total T @ 700 is very good for me and my marriage. My doc started me out at 100mg/week of Test Cyp. About a month into that I lowered it to 80mg/week for a variety of reasons. After 3 months I added 250 IU of hCG 2x/week and went back to 100mg/week of Test Cyp. After about a month of that I dropped back to 80mg/week of Test Cyp and 100 IU of hCG 2x/week. I plan on staying at this level for a long time because I feel so much better at it and am much happier at this level. Screw being able to do lots of sets and having great workout recovery. I want to be happy and I want to have a happy life. Big muscles and great workout recovery don't help me be happy and they don't help my marriage one bit. My current script is more than enough to allow me to have very good workouts, a good physique but not huge, and recover well enough do lift and do aerobics at a reasonable level for a 57 y/o man.

So as stated above, first thing is to get bloodwork done so you see where your T, free T, and E2 are at. Second thing to do is bounce over to the PCT forum and read all of that stuff. Because PCT (post cycle therapy) is exactly what you have to do; except your cycle was 4 years! But it is the same concept.

Finally, decide if you are going to do PCT or lower your T amount and get your mood roid rage control.

Good luck!

I really appreciate your depth in this responce. It means alot.
Also to you other guys I am very thankfull for your replies.
I did just do blood work a week ago and will see my endo on the 24 th. I will let you know what my results are.
Seriously, thanks for your replies and your advice. it means alot.

[JD250]

Hang in there bro, you'll get it worked out I'm sure. Keep us posted.

[bass]

man i feel your pain! i can't add anything to whats already been said, except to wish you the best!

[lovbyts]

Good luck and I agree with all the above. Best to get your E2 levels checked. They are the root of all evil controlling your emotions I bet. I'm getting mine checked in another 8 hrs. LOL I know I can be a little quick to jump back at the woman but in all honesty I think it's better than being a pushover or letting them manipulate you like most of them will given the chance. I dont think I have ever started a argument but I defiantly and not one to back down when I know I'm right.

If you know you are being an ass hole then that's a good start and it may have nothing to do with the TRT, it could just be that 20 year itch. As for the sex appetite well there are always outlets for that that dont involve cheating.

[APIs]

Were you taking HCG during these past four years? If not, starting-up may be difficult if not impossible depending upon how much your testes atrophied.

Also, with the correct management of a TRT protocol you shouldn't be having anger and short temper issues. This suggests that something else is going on here IMO. What about E2 management???

As the other fellows mentioned here; you need to see a specialist who understands these things and knows how to get you re-started if that's even possible.

Totally agree with the above. Don't go blaming all your woes on TRT now. I learned a long time ago, that "I" am responsible for my behavior & the outcomes that result. Can't go & blame it on this or that. At the end of the day, I am usually the cause for any problem(s) being encountered. Thankfully, the only issues I experience these days are luxury problems. At the very least I would suggest some self reflection, a new doctor & lower dosing first before stoppping TRT altogether....

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Although we are all responsible for our actions, I have found that managing my emotions is much easier when my hormones are in the right place. In fact, it is darn difficult when they are completely whacked.

[TASSY5]

GOT MY RESULTS AND ALL WERE OK. BUT THE DOC TOLD ME TO GOTO 1/4 CC AS IT MAY BE ENOUGH FOR ME

Also put me on Clomid to kick start my testicles.

and xanax to mellow me out.

And of all things to add to this info i got yesterday...
My wife asked me for a divorse i am absolutly torn up.

[zaggahamma]

[QUOTE=TASSY5;5678823]GOT MY RESULTS AND ALL WERE OK. BUT THE DOC TOLD ME TO GOTO 1/4 CC AS IT MAY BE ENOUGH FOR ME

Also put me on Clomid to kick start my testicles.

and xanax to mellow me out.

And of all things to add to this info i got yesterday...
My wife asked me for a divorse i am absolutly torn up.[/QUO
Fuvck bro sorry to hear
Totally separate issue there..can only relate and feel for you....id like to advise /comment on your docs recpmmendation but .....

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Sorry to hear bro. How long were you married? The reason I ask is if she is about the same age as you I would assume a woman would live the sexual aperite for her. Since as I have heard from friends that is when the sex starts to decline. Was there something else going on? How much of an ass were you being? The reason I ask is because I have been on for 3 months and I can tell my attitude has changed, but not towards my wife other than more of a sexual desire. So I am just wondering if there is something else. If I am out of line in the questioning I am sorry but I had to ask.

[Bigfoot66]

So much for the phrase "for better or for worse". There's something she's not saying. I'm sorry man...

[lovbyts]

GOT MY RESULTS AND ALL WERE OK. BUT THE DOC TOLD ME TO GOTO 1/4 CC AS IT MAY BE ENOUGH FOR ME

Also put me on Clomid to kick start my testicles.

and xanax to mellow me out.

And of all things to add to this info i got yesterday...
My wife asked me for a divorse i am absolutly torn up.

Interesting timing, just as you are getting things under control. maybe that's part of the problem, once you dont have a problem she wont have anyone to blame for what is going on. Usually there is more going on than you know and has been for a while all with the reasoning that YOU are an asshole to her so it's justified but all along maybe it's been her pushing your buttons as women do and maybe part of you has known or felt something eating at you that you have been ignoring also causing you to be an Ahole sometimes.

Whatever happens good luck and dont be another statistic who gives up 110% of you life.

[TASSY5]

thanks guys, i am torn up unside and she put up a wall and wont talk to me and doesnt even want to come in contact with me.
I cant believe i did something to make her get this way.
regardless. i am cutting down to 1/4 cc and taking half of a 50 mg Clomid tab each day to hopefully get me going again naturally.
25 1/2 hears down the drain. i dont know how she will make it financially, i just dont see it happening.

[Far from massive]

Tassy,

Really sorry to hear the news, hang in there. PS I agree with lovbyts often women do not say what is really going on. Also its been my experience once a women announces to the man that they are through, she has already explored her options and has already implemented an escape plan, so although you love her still do not worry too much about her economic or other survival she probably has that covered. Also be cautious with the zanax, lots of Dr's prescribe it to deal with a patients complaint without considering the long term consequences. Any benzodiazapens use should be temporary to ease you past the current separation issues not a long term treatment option.

[zaggahamma]

all good advice above....sounds as if coming from someone thats been in your shoes and ditto here...

none of us are discounting how u feel regardless of who's "to blame"..like said above "for better or worse"..REALLY TAKEN LIGHTLY THESE DAYS...and i dont even soak that in or think it...

...we have long(er) lives these days and you cant look back...not saying you have to forget her, etc. and if u feel you would have her back thats all good too...BUT....live for you and only you atm...she's bringing you down atm...YOU know wuts right is right and wuts wrong is wrong...if theres some areas that are gray seek advice, counseling...

50mg of test a week is a bit low on the medical side, imo

ttyl

[lovbyts]

Tassy,

Really sorry to hear the news, hang in there. PS I agree with lovbyts often women do not say what is really going on. Also its been my experience once a women announces to the man that they are through, she has already explored her options and has already implemented an escape plan, so although you love her still do not worry too much about her economic or other survival she probably has that covered. Also be cautious with the zanax, lots of Dr's prescribe it to deal with a patients complaint without considering the long term consequences. Any benzodiazapens use should be temporary to ease you past the current separation issues not a long term treatment option.

That is true about 80% of the time, women dong jump ship unless they have another ship to jump onto. Sorry to say.

You say it's been 25 years so she is around 45+ Ohhhhh sounds like it could also be Menopause. Thats just as bad because women go more nuts than usual. A FEW realize it and will seek medical help and take medication to stabilize the hormones but most of them; as usually will think nothing is wrong with them and it's all your fault and the rest of the world. Most of them get a hair up their ass to go out and play, to show they still have what it takes even though they dont or at least not what they think they have.

If there is a chance you can talk to her MD to see if he will request blood work for her maybe she will listen to him? Either way you have to look out for #1 and when it comes to $$$$ that is the number one thing women go for. Time to liquidate what you can. Dont do it in a rush, dont make it obvious but dont be foolish thinking it wont happen to you. I have seen it to many times and a good friend of mine took my advice 10 years ago and still thanks me several times a year. LOL

[bass]

thanks guys, i am torn up unside and she put up a wall and wont talk to me and doesnt even want to come in contact with me.
I cant believe i did something to make her get this way.
regardless. i am cutting down to 1/4 cc and taking half of a 50 mg Clomid tab each day to hopefully get me going again naturally.
25 1/2 hears down the drain. i dont know how she will make it financially, i just dont see it happening.

sorry to hear it man, hang in there, and if you need company you know we are all here to support you get your life back! i really hope thing will work out for you!