first cycle and full statue . advices and correct me as you want

[gothicaly]

now this is my full statue :

age : 23
my tall is : 180 cm
weight : 75 kilograms
bf : 13.5 %

3 years of training

and the important part is :

am hard gainer = its really hard to gain more weight
also i have acne on my back and some hair losses


i eat 9 meals per day
2 whey and 1 casein
3 meals chicken or fish or meat and rise or pasta
2 protein bars
1 cheese and bread + sald

now am looking 2 work harder and eat this meal plan for more 2 months
then i wanna reach around 80 kilo grams

after that i will run steroids

i wanna start with test + eq ( bolden )

need your advices and your comments
i need alll advices that are available cause i have to collect my steroids
and focus as a motovation to reach 80 kilo grams in 2 months then start


thanks for allll

[Windex]

now this is my full statue :

age : 23
my tall is : 180 cm
weight : 75 kilograms
bf : 13.5 %

3 years of training

and the important part is :

am hard gainer = its really hard to gain more weight
also i have acne on my back and some hair losses


i eat 9 meals per day
2 whey and 1 casein
3 meals chicken or fish or meat and rise or pasta
2 protein bars
1 cheese and bread + sald

now am looking 2 work harder and eat this meal plan for more 2 months
then i wanna reach around 80 kilo grams

after that i will run steroids

i wanna start with test + eq ( bolden )

need your advices and your comments
i need alll advices that are available cause i have to collect my steroids
and focus as a motovation to reach 80 kilo grams in 2 months then start


thanks for allll

There's a lot wrong going on here. Firstly, Equipoise is not what you use as a first cycle and you seem to have done zero research for yourself about steroids. They are no a joke. Secondly you are still too young to be doing any kind of steroid because your endocrine system is still developing and shutting yourself down prematurely can put you at severe risk of permanently damaging your body for the rest of your life.

In addition, you already have acne and that will just make it even worse for yourself potentially.

As well, you need a good 3-5 years of serious training (without long breaks) so you can develop your ligaments and tendons. Steroids do not increase tendon/ligament tissue density, only consecutive and progressive training does that.

For example, last month an idiot at the gym decided he wanted to start taking steroids after only working out for a year with no proper eating plan. All of a sudden, he thinks he's the man and tacks on an extra 40 pounds to bench press and injures himself tearing both of his rotator cuffs. Not only was he in agony for hours until they drugged him at the hospital, he now has a few thousand dollars of physiotherapy and rehab to look forward to, looked like a completely idiot, and he doesn't even get to be in a gym until next year.

Finally, and most importantly, you diet is complete garbage no offense. You need to get to the diet section and read the stickies and educational threads so you can understand how to properly eat. You shouldn't be eating 9 meals a day, protein bars are for emergency purposes only, you only need 1 shake, and cheese and bread and pasta are also unacceptable.

You would actually look worse with steroids if you ate that meal plan. Dieting is the foundation of proper bodybuilding and 2 months is nothing for dieting.\


You are no where near ready to use steroids, focus and improve upon your diet and training.

[gothicaly]

There's a lot wrong going on here

. Firstly, Equipoise is not what you use as a first cycle and you seem to have done zero research for yourself about steroids.

no i have read much about steroids . and i see that i should start with test onley or test + dbol , or another orals
but eq is more stronger than dbol , so whats wrong to start with it ?? specially am not planing to do cycle again




They are no a joke. Secondly you are still too young to be doing any kind of steroid because your endocrine system is still developing and shutting yourself down prematurely can put you at severe risk of permanently damaging your body for the rest of your life.

why ? i have read on many places that i shold be more than 21 years . so am 23 what i will damage ? and why ? specially i see many guys used steroids
and no side effects on the first cycles




In addition, you already have acne and that will just make it even worse for yourself potentially.


As well, you need a good 3-5 years of serious training (without long breaks) so you can develop your ligaments and tendons. Steroids do not increase tendon/ligament tissue density, only consecutive and progressive training does that.

For example, last month an idiot at the gym decided he wanted to start taking steroids after only working out for a year with no proper eating plan. All of a sudden, he thinks he's the man and tacks on an extra 40 pounds to bench press and injures himself tearing both of his rotator cuffs. Not only was he in agony for hours until they drugged him at the hospital, he now has a few thousand dollars of physiotherapy and rehab to look forward to, looked like a completely idiot, and he doesn't even get to be in a gym until next year.

Finally, and most importantly, you diet is complete garbage no offense. You need to get to the diet section and read the stickies and educational threads so you can understand how to properly eat. You shouldn't be eating 9 meals a day, protein bars are for emergency purposes only, you only need 1 shake, and cheese and bread and pasta are also unacceptable.

You would actually look worse with steroids if you ate that meal plan. Dieting is the foundation of proper bodybuilding and 2 months is nothing for dieting.\

ok i will fix it i will make the best meal plan


You are no where near ready to use steroids, focus and improve upon your diet and training.

i have been in the gym for 3 years and i am 23 years old . and from searches am ready to use steroids

and how can i reach 200 bounds natty ! in case i can so why i should use steroids ?? 200 bound is my goal al ready




i wanna thank you windex for every single word you says here
i realy respect you man for your wants to help and correct people here

thank you very much and i still wanna more from you to reach my goal

[gothicaly]

up up up

[lc1213]

You asked for advice and windex gave you the correct advice. Waiting 2 more years to cycle is a good tradeoff instead of having irreversible physical and psychological problems for the rest of your life. You're young so take advantage of being 23 and use your natural test production and diet to get you to your goal instead of being 23 with a shutdown hpta taking Viagra so your dick can get hard, Xanax for anxiety so on and so forth.

[lc1213]

Not only is eq a tough aas to be a first cycle but we don't even see a pct planned. What is your pct protocol?

[gothicaly]

ok when my age is 25 i will be safe to use steroids ?

there no danger at 25 age ?

and why i see many websites says 21 is enough

i wanna discus with u and with windex

and thanks alot guys

[gothicaly]

pct :

11-13 prgnil
14 : 150 mg clomid ed
15 : 100 mg clomid ed
16 : 50 mg clomid ed

11-16 20 mg novaldix


eq : 500 mg every weak
testolic : 100 mg day on day off

[gothicaly]

pct :

11-13 prgnil
14 : 150 mg clomid ed
15 : 100 mg clomid ed
16 : 50 mg clomid ed

11-16 20 mg novaldix


eq : 500 mg every weak
testolic : 100 mg day on day off

[gothicaly]

and eq is mutch better than d bol

and stronger than the othor orals that i can use on my first cycle

so why not use it ?

[lc1213]

I have always read 25 was the earliest to start a aas cycle. The human body doesn't fully mature until around the age of 25. Just because a persons body is not growing vertically after a certain age, our bodies continue to mature in to our mid 20's. Search this forum and the dangers of cycling at a young age and you will read exactly how aas can affect a person negatively.

[gothicaly]

ok the dangerous of using steroids can come at any age 23 or 25
in both i will shut dowen my self then i will use pct to back

do you mean am not going to back to my nutural test level again if i used just one cylce ??

am not planing to do another cylce just one cycle is enough for me my goal is 200 pound or 190 pounds

[gothicaly]

thanks man for helping and talking to me i realy respect you and i wanna talk to you again and again
am happy talking to an experience man like you and widex

[gixxerboy1]

eq is not stronger then d-bol. read on here eq sucks. Most say they wouldnt use it again if it was free.

Sencond your diet is your problem. That is not 9 meals a day. you have 3 meals. you cant get big off of cheese and bread and bars. THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM

[gothicaly]

thanks gixxer i will tell you my new diet cause its not good i wasnt know thats bad meal plan till i asked her

so thanks you guys corrects me


i will make 4 meals meat or fish or chicken + rise + salad
+ one eggs and outs + 2 whey protien + frutes + cheese and milk before bed


first meal : outs and eggs
2 nd : lean meat + rise
3rd : whey protein + fruits ( before training )
4th : whey protein + juice
5th : canned tuna + bread
6 th : chicken breasts + rise
7 th : chicken breasts + potatoes
8 th : cheese + milk



ok eq is sucks so what should i use beside testolic ? deca ?

i wanna choose somthing strong

cause am not planing to cycle again

[nguadagno]

dude, im no expert at all and not trying to sound like it, but take the hint and go hit the diet section, thats not a good diet AT ALL, dont be proud and think you've got all the answers already, just give it a shot

[gixxerboy1]

thats def better but still not good. Also its hard to say since you dont say how many eggs or how much of anything.

also the food you are picking arent great. cheese and milk isnt a meal. i wouldnt do 2 shakes in a row. Shakes arent as good as real food.

BTW i eat a ton more at 5'6 180lbs

[Windex]

thanks gixxer i will tell you my new diet cause its not good i wasnt know thats bad meal plan till i asked her

so thanks you guys corrects me


i will make 4 meals meat or fish or chicken + rise + salad
+ one eggs and outs + 2 whey protien + frutes + cheese and milk before bed


first meal : outs and eggs
2 nd : lean meat + rise
3rd : whey protein + fruits ( before training )
4th : whey protein + juice
5th : canned tuna + bread
6 th : chicken breasts + rise
7 th : chicken breasts + potatoes
8 th : cheese + milk



ok eq is sucks so what should i use beside testolic ? deca ?

i wanna choose somthing strong

cause am not planing to cycle again

You diet still sucks.

Read my thread atleast 3 times

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...et-Information

By using steroids with a poor diet you will look worse than you do before. STEROIDS ARE NOT MAGIC PILLS OR OILS. And any weight you gain you will immediately lose after your cycle because you have no clue what your doing for eating.

You need to fix your diet and continue training for another two years. You are not ready for steroids at all it's that simple. You have no clue how to eat properly and need to take the time to read all the educational threads for yourself so you can learn.

[gothicaly]

nguadagno : thank you man . and i will find better diet .

gixxerboy1 : i will try to eat more but this meal plan is my maximum , but i will try to find 60 gram of protein every meal . realy thank you for helping

windex : thank you . realy you are helping me and dont be upset from explaining every thing for me .

my final question is : what will change when i be come at age 25 ? i will be ready for steroids ,, what thats mean ? no side effects ? or after cycle and pct

i will be back to my nutural test levels and every hermon in my body will back to the same level before cycling ?


and what about the young bodybuilders , who are going in comptitions , am sure they use steroids , so what about them ?

[gothicaly]

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[gothicaly]

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[christopher03]

well iv been told by them to.. and somthing i no now is you dont use decca your first cylce

[gothicaly]

bump again there is new questions guys plz answer me

[gixxerboy1]

your hpta will have developed more. So there is less chance of screwing that up for life.

Yes im teens who compete are probably using. But i'm sure alot of them are trying to make a career out of it. Its not a hobby.
screwing yourself up for life for an extra 15lbs now that can be easily achieved naturally isnt worth the risk. A lot of the young people running cycles will probably have some kind of issues later in life