Sustanon, Deca, Tren, d-bol, anavar

[Dozer]

My stats:
26 years old
5' 9"
192lbs
11% bf
Training for 5 years

My last cycle was test E 500mg split 2x a week for 12 weeks. Ran D-bol weeks 1-4 25mg a day. Ended that cycle in late February of this year. My starting weight was around 170lbs. I have it all documented and recorded. My end weight was 196lbs. I ran a full pct with nolvadex, clomid and HCG I didn't track body fat like I should have. I lost a little vascularity on/during the cycle though. My new meal plan is much cleaner this time.

I've been in and out of cycles for 5 or so years now. Here is what I have and my tentative plan.

12 week cycle- 40ml sustanon 275mg/ml
20ml deca 300mg/ml
20ml Tren 100mg/ml
Enough d-bol and anavar
Full PCT including nolvadex, clomid, and HCG

Weeks

1-4 D-bol 30mg/day

1-7 Sustanon 1.5ml 2x per week
Deca 1.5ml 2x per week

7-12 Sustanon 1ml 3x per week
Tren 1ml 3x per week

Anavar- starting mid to end of cycle 40mg/day-- ?? advice appreciated

With the test I started PCT 2 weeks after the last shot. ??

Please no stoning lol. I am just looking for advice. Any constructive criticism is much appreciated. I have full meal plans and solid routines for the duration of the cycle. Thanks for your help.

[wmaousley]

Why are you only running Dbol for 4 weeks?

[Vullfromsc]

the basic idea for your cycle is good, but it is recommended to run deca for at least 10-12 weeks. i really doubt you will see a huge benefit from the deca for 7 weeks, it would be better to just run tren the whole time through or deca the whole time through.

the anavar can be run how ever long you want, it isn't that liver-toxic compared to other oral steroids. i would take 60mg though instead of 40mg, 40mg is a little on the low end

im assuming your sustanon has a deconate ester for the longest one right? if so, start pct exactly 10 days after the last shot..

[Dozer]

the basic idea for your cycle is good, but it is recommended to run deca for at least 10-12 weeks. i really doubt you will see a huge benefit from the deca for 7 weeks, it would be better to just run tren the whole time through or deca the whole time through.

the anavar can be run how ever long you want, it isn't that liver-toxic compared to other oral steroids. i would take 60mg though instead of 40mg, 40mg is a little on the low end

im assuming your sustanon has a deconate ester for the longest one right? if so, start pct exactly 10 days after the last shot..

Yea it as 125mg deconate. I did some reading. I read that deca and tren use similar pathways. Could it be he set it up this way because of that? Picking up the tren right after deca without a break?

[Dozer]

bump....

[SAMS_DAD]

I would drop the deca since your only running it for 7 weeks, your not going to get any effect out of it running it that short. Maybe subsitute NPP instead? Maybe try running anavar at the beginning of the cycle @ a higher dose or dropping it all together (your already running tren at the 2nd half of your cycle, y run another compound that provides similiar results?). Maybe dbol or/ anavar +sustanon up to week 7 (+NPP if you could get your hands on some), drop oral, NPP and run sustanon and tren for remainder?

[Dozer]

NPP? I'm not gonna lie, never taken this much in a cycle... plus it wasn't cheap lol. I just want to get the most out of all this gear. My favorite cycles have always been ONE oil with dbol... always gotten great results. This cycle was put together with a good buddy that got his pro card awhile back... I don't know if jumping in the deep end is quite the right step yet.

[gym_junki]

Which tren do you have a or e

[Dozer]

Sams Dad-- For the first half are you recommending D-bol and sust and the second half use sust and tren alongside NPP?

[Dozer]

Which tren do you have a or e

Tren E

[calstate23]

NPP? I'm not gonna lie, never taken this much in a cycle... plus it wasn't cheap lol. I just want to get the most out of all this gear. My favorite cycles have always been ONE oil with dbol... always gotten great results. This cycle was put together with a good buddy that got his pro card awhile back... I don't know if jumping in the deep end is quite the right step yet.

Okay...Tell if I am wrong here but this cycle was put together by a GOOD buddy who has his pro card and you come on here to ask strangers about your cycle?? That makes absolutely no sense to me, why wouldn't you just as your buddy who planned this cycle for you? Doesn't he have a pro card?? And wouldn't he be able to guide you with PCT...

[Dozer]

Okay...Tell if I am wrong here but this cycle was put together by a GOOD buddy who has his pro card and you come on here to ask strangers about your cycle?? That makes absolutely no sense to me, why wouldn't you just as your buddy who planned this cycle for you? Doesn't he have a pro card?? And wouldn't he be able to guide you with PCT...

I absolutely trust him on all of it... it never hurts to get a second opinion on everything. The only question I didn't know about PCT was when to start it. As much as ONE person might now, it's based off what works for them. He uses HGH along with this stack I've got listed above. It's just a lot of gear and a lot of money for one cycle. I want to make sure I'm thorough in every aspect of this round. By saying GOOD buddy I mean someone I trust and have built up enough trust to discuss this topic openly with.

As you've already seen, there are some different opinions on this particular stack/ set up

[Dozer]

bump.....

[auslifta]

Drop the tren and run the deca to week 11. No need for the tren. Whats the ester make-up of your sust?

[Dozer]

Drop the tren and run the deca to week 11. No need for the tren. Whats the ester make-up of your sust?

Test 275 from QV

30 mg testosterone propionate
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate
60 mg testosterone isocaproate
125 mg testosterone decanoate

I only have 20ml deca (organon 300mg/mL) ... can I get an effective dosage that long? I can get more.. .it'll just take a bit...

[SAMS_DAD]

you have 2 long esther compounds; deca and tren e. And your running them for a short period of time (deca 7 wks, tren e 5 wks). Your not going to get any results from either of them since both start to kick in around week 5 for most. As advised by another member, i would drop the tren all together and just run the deca for the whole cycle if you have enough. Running tren e for five weeks would be a waste imo. You could stick w/the dbol at the beginning of the cycle if you wish, but running var at 40mg would be a waste. I ran it at 80mg & 100mg my previous cycles and had great results, but i don't know if you have enough to up the dose to that amount. 50mg would be the minimum. Are you planning on running hcg throughout your cycle?

[Dozer]

you have 2 long esther compounds; deca and tren e. And your running them for a short period of time (deca 7 wks, tren e 5 wks). Your not going to get any results from either of them since both start to kick in around week 5 for most. As advised by another member, i would drop the tren all together and just run the deca for the whole cycle if you have enough. Running tren e for five weeks would be a waste imo. You could stick w/the dbol at the beginning of the cycle if you wish, but running var at 40mg would be a waste. I ran it at 80mg & 100mg my previous cycles and had great results, but i don't know if you have enough to up the dose to that amount. 50mg would be the minimum. Are you planning on running hcg throughout your cycle?

Yes I'll be running HCG. Noted on the deca and tren. I've never ran tren before. I think Deca is a better choice with the sustanon at the moment... I'll save the tren for another cycle. I'll get some more sust to go with it. I have 180 10mg tabs of anavar on hand....

I have enough deca to push 600mg a week for 10 weeks... what are your thoughts on that?

[Dozer]

What is NPP?

[auslifta]

Short estered Nandrolone (whats known as deca)

[Dozer]

Short estered Nandrolone (whats known as deca)

Gotcha appreciate it.

[Dozer]

Short estered Nandrolone (whats known as deca)

Just want to clarify... I posted in my original thread using the term "deca". I was later given the advice to stop the deca and maybe substitute "npp"... what's the difference? My compound is Nandrolone Decanoate...

[ghettoboyd]

the only difference is that npp is the short ester version of nandrolone like prop is to test...so sence you wher only planning on using it for 7 weeks or whatever it would be a more effective choice...

[Dozer]

the only difference is that npp is the short ester version of nandrolone like prop is to test...so sence you wher only planning on using it for 7 weeks or whatever it would be a more effective choice...

Makes sense, will the label say npp on it then? How do you know which one you've got? It's from a well known lab... Nandrolone Decanoate is on the label...

[ghettoboyd]

Makes sense, will the label say npp on it then? How do you know which one you've got? It's from a well known lab... Nandrolone Decanoate is on the label...

you have the long ester version...i cant even begin to spell out what npp stands for i just know it is a shorter ester...

[Dozer]

Gotcha... Appreciate it. I'm pinning twice a week with the sust. Monday morning and Thursday evening. Lowered the dosage to 450 on the deca and stretched it out to 12 weeks. Running the sust for 14