PCT without AAS

[J. Cole]

Hey Guys,

So heres the deal. As some of you may have read in my other thread, I believe my gear is either completely bunk or just severely underdosed. I am at the end of week 6 on my test cyp cycle. So I am going to up the dosage and take it out another two weeks. If at that point I still feel nothing and no gains I am going to end it wait the appropriate time (18 Days) then begin PCT.

So my question is this...Is it bad/dangerous to take PCT chems (nolva/clomid) in the worst case scenerio that my gear is in fact completely bunk (i.e. no aas in my body)?

Thanks guys
-J

[Devils Advocate]

Ya gotta' feel somethin' by now to know if it's bunk or not. Increased libido is usually a tell-tale sign for me.

[chuckt12345]

where is the sex drive at?

[jtuner77]

not at all.

[J. Cole]

not at all.

as in its safe to run PCT without theoretically having any aas in your body?

[J. Cole]

where is the sex drive at?

the sex drive completely normal it hasnt changed, only up 5ish pounds, no bloat, no testicular atrophy...so im leaning towards completely bunk gear

[Fetch]

If at that point I still feel nothing and no gains I am going to end it wait the appropriate time (18 Days) then begin PCT.

So my question is this...Is it bad/dangerous to take PCT chems (nolva/clomid) in the worst case scenerio that my gear is in fact completely bunk (i.e. no aas in my body)?

Thanks guys
-J

It is infinitely worse if you did NOT take the PCT, and your gear ended up being dosed high enough to shut you down. Take the PCT chems. There is no added risk to taking the PCT chems if you had been on a regular cycle.

[jtuner77]

People have been known to do this to try and bring up Test levels to within range before jumping on TRT.

[chuckt12345]

just wait a few more weeks,, some people take longer than others,, if you really want to know go get blood check. PCT will not hurt either way.

[themoreyouknow]

wait another week or so and if nothing start pct. and like said above, its def better to take the pct than to not. you might even get a slight test boost

[sxxen]

how come you haven't taken a blood test?

[cb714]

how come you haven't taken a blood test?

There's the money answer right there.

Only a blood test would tell you for sure

[binsser]

yeah and 6 weeks is far to early i only starting seeing differances in week 8 it can take 6-8 weeks i thought mine was bunk as well then i suddenly got massive pumps iron arms and acne to contend with i mean what more do you want????? lolololoolloolol

[funkymonk]

Get some damn bloodowork done. $50.99 for a female hormone test @ privatemdlabs.com, shows serum test, e2, LH, and FSH. If LH and FSH are NOT suppressed, your gear was probably 100% bunk.

[J. Cole]

yeah and 6 weeks is far to early i only starting seeing differances in week 8 it can take 6-8 weeks i thought mine was bunk as well then i suddenly got massive pumps iron arms and acne to contend with i mean what more do you want????? lolololoolloolol

thats why I am going to take it out another two weeks to see if anything happens

[J. Cole]

Get some damn bloodowork done. $50.99 for a female hormone test @ privatemdlabs.com, shows serum test, e2, LH, and FSH. If LH and FSH are NOT suppressed, your gear was probably 100% bunk.

why female? and i dont see the test that includes all that, care to pm me the link to it?

much appreciated
-j

[MBMETC]

give it a lil more time week 6-7ish for me on my first and when it pops its amazing ;-)

[funkymonk]

why female? and i dont see the test that includes all that, care to pm me the link to it?

much appreciated
-j

Because the male is like $200. If you've got the cash to spend, get that one instead, but serum T/LH/FSH/e2 is good enough.

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tes...4&search=#1032
discount code: not sure for July, google it or peruse some other forums

[funkymonk]

Discount code for July: 54pi4exv

[J. Cole]

so i looked into privatemdlabs and the closest lab to me in 3 hours away which is just unrealistic for me at this time... are there any other options?

[Bonaparte]

so i looked into privatemdlabs and the closest lab to me in 3 hours away which is just unrealistic for me at this time... are there any other options?

Check again unless you live in North Dakota. Labcorp is everywhere.

[J. Cole]

"Due to state billing laws, PrivateMD Labs cannot provide services in NY, NJ, MA or RI."

[Bonaparte]

"Due to state billing laws, PrivateMD Labs cannot provide services in NY, NJ, MA or RI."

Come to think of it, several companies sell saliva testing kits that are supposedly quite accurate. You collect the sample yourself and mail it in to them for testing, and they email you back the results. I know Primordial has a few testing options. The main drawback is that they can only measure free hormones, not total. But if your Test Cyp is real, your free test should be off the charts along with total T.

[J. Cole]

Come to think of it, several companies sell saliva testing kits that are supposedly quite accurate. You collect the sample yourself and mail it in to them for testing, and they email you back the results. I know Primordial has a few testing options. The main drawback is that they can only measure free hormones, not total. But if your Test Cyp is real, your free test should be off the charts along with total T.

I will definitely look into that. All I am looking to see is some sign of elevated testosterone levels because i had blood work done pre cycle and know where i am at baseline

[J. Cole]

if anyone has done this and had success with it feel free to point me in the right direction of a company/website

thanks
-J

[Bonaparte]

Primordial Performance is who I'd turn to, since they know what the tests are being used for and will probably set their machine parameters much higher.

[J. Cole]

http://www.primordialperformance.com...mone_test.html

Will that test serve the purpose of telling me if my gear is bunk or not? And have you used it before/how accurate is it?

[J. Cole]

Or this one, not really sure what the difference is:

http://www.primordialperformance.com...liva_test.html

[Bonaparte]

Simple: the 1-hormone kit only lets you choose 1 hormone to test for. The 4-hormone alows you to pick 4 of them.
Just get the 1-hormone test and select free testosterone (unless you want to pay the extra $80 for the other stuff).

I can't can't believe I even had to explain that... lol

[J. Cole]

Simple: the 1-hormone kit only lets you choose 1 hormone to test for. The 4-hormone alows you to pick 4 of them.
Just get the 1-hormone test and select free testosterone (unless you want to pay the extra $80 for the other stuff).

I can't can't believe I even had to explain that... lol

HAHA thanks man I appreciate I was crazy busy tonight and wasnt thinking! thanks for the help and sorry for the dumb question

[J. Cole]

Bonaparte, have you ever tried these saliva tests?

[Bonaparte]

Bonaparte, have you ever tried these saliva tests?

No, since I live in Fl and can drive 10 minutes down the road to get bloodwork for $50.

[J. Cole]

No, since I live in Fl and can drive 10 minutes down the road to get bloodwork for $50.

haha very convenient good for you. i am going to try that test and once i get the results for the free test ill post them up and see what you guys think

[dosXX]

will it still be called a PCT even though there were no AAS used? hmm. But anyway, IMHO taking some ancillaries wouldn't hurt.

[J. Cole]

will it still be called a PCT even though there were no AAS used? hmm. But anyway, IMHO taking some ancillaries wouldn't hurt.

yeah i dont know what to call it maybe SMGWBTIASP (shit my gear was bunk this is a safety precaution) haha oh well but thanks

Im hoping my gear is just underdosed so ill have some aas in my body so i can actually do pct

[Bonaparte]

yeah i dont know what to call it maybe SMGWBTIASP (shit my gear was bunk this is a safety precaution) haha oh well but thanks

Im hoping my gear is just underdosed so ill have some aas in my body so i can actually do pct

Why would you hope for underdosed gear?
It would be much better to discover that its completely bunk and that you're good to do a real cycle now.

[Swifto]

I've have read and been told by more than one MD/GP that saliva testing is garbage.

[Lemonada8]

^ it is for a true accurate reading, but it would easily determine if the gear is fake or not.

[Bonaparte]

^ it is for a true accurate reading, but it would easily determine if the gear is fake or not.

Exactly. If his test is real, his free test numbers should be like 10X out of the normal range regardless of how accurate the saliva testing is.

[J. Cole]

Why would you hope for underdosed gear?
It would be much better to discover that its completely bunk and that you're good to do a real cycle now.

thats true but I dont have time for another cycle at the moment so I am going to run PCT as a safety precaution and i would feel more comfortable running PCT at least knowing that I am suppressed or shut down

i know for a fact that my gear is definitely not near the 250mg/mL it says