Androgen Related TRT Hairloss

[RoidReaper]

Now this is a confusing question but just curious.

Lets say your natural levels are 700 and you dont lose any hair, but then your natty levels drop, the doc prescribes u with a dose that brings you back to that 700 level, would the the TRT cause hairloss. I mean wouldnt it be the same as your natty? Or does the body respond different to Synthetic Test.

Get what im saying?

[cb714]

From what I've been told the gel converts more to DHT than the shot does. So I guess if you're using the gel for long enough eventually you will see hair loss.

[RoidReaper]

From what I've been told the gel converts more to DHT than the shot does. So I guess if you're using the gel for long enough eventually you will see hair loss.

What if were talking about shot. I was on 200mg of prop and my DHT was only 29. doesnt seem to high does it.

[jtuner77]

By what I have read that doesn't sound too high nor does your test levels.

[brad1986]

This is an intresting question id like to know the answer too.

[RoidReaper]

By what I have read that doesn't sound too high nor does your test levels.

700 is high end of normal range and i wasnt saying those were my test levels i was just giving and example.

[cb714]

I took androgel for about a month and a half doing 8 pumps each day. After about a month on it I started noticing my hair getting a little thinner in the back. It was already getting thin as it was but the androgel seemed to accelerate a bit. I brought this up to my doc, along with the fact that it's just a pain in the ass and he just put me on Test C. I just started a cycle of Test E so Im just stockpiling my Test C for the moment. I havent noticed my hair getting any thinner while on Test E but then again im barely finishing up my 2nd week.

[RoidReaper]

I took androgel for about a month and a half doing 8 pumps each day. After about a month on it I started noticing my hair getting a little thinner in the back. It was already getting thin as it was but the androgel seemed to accelerate a bit. I brought this up to my doc, along with the fact that it's just a pain in the ass and he just put me on Test C. I just started a cycle of Test E so Im just stockpiling my Test C for the moment. I havent noticed my hair getting any thinner while on Test E but then again im barely finishing up my 2nd week.

Oh yeah ur gunna have to give it another 2 months or some shit before you see it. But they say the gels convert rapidly to DHT more than the shots, How many mg of Test E r u on .

[Bonaparte]

The testosterone is the same. Your body (and hairline) will respond the same way as natural test.
But as mentioned, the rate at which it aromatises or undergoes 5a-reductase can vary by how it is administered.
Injections will yield higher estrogen levels and lower DHT levels (though it isn't a huge difference).
The inverse goes for transdermals.

[cb714]

Oh yeah ur gunna have to give it another 2 months or some shit before you see it. But they say the gels convert rapidly to DHT more than the shots, How many mg of Test E r u on .

Just the beginner 500mg/wk

[magic32]

The testosterone is the same. Your body (and hairline) will respond the same way as natural test.
But as mentioned, the rate at which it aromatises or undergoes 5a-reductase can vary by how it is administered.
Injections will yield higher estrogen levels and lower DHT levels (though it isn't a huge difference).
The inverse goes for transdermals.

Just to expand on Bona...
The difference is one of absorption, or more aptly how high his overall test levels get. In that sense, administration method would matter, e.g. 100 mg prop injection vs. 100 mg gel or patch, though identical in dosage, more prop will obviously be absorbed. But if you increase the transdermal amount or frequency accordingly (as a good doc would) to account for the differential, thereby making absorption the same, administration doesn't matter...bringing us back to total blood serum levels in which case neither would be harsher on hair thinning/hairline.

[Lemonada8]

also, since a majority of the 5ar enzyme is in tissues the gel would convert more because it has to go through the tissues to the blood. Injection puts it right in the system where it doesnt have to go through the tissues.

[CautionStallion]

The testosterone is the same. Your body (and hairline) will respond the same way as natural test.
But as mentioned, the rate at which it aromatises or undergoes 5a-reductase can vary by how it is administered.
Injections will yield higher estrogen levels and lower DHT levels (though it isn't a huge difference).
The inverse goes for transdermals.

This makes sense, i was on 200mg of cyp a week, and while my testosterone levels were in the 900s, my estrogen was at about 44 and my DHT was at 28. which i hear is pretty low on the DHT side. So as you said testosterone responds the exact same? So if a natty level is the same as a synthetic level, the body will respond the same to them. Interesting.

[Bonaparte]

also, since a majority of the 5ar enzyme is in tissues the gel would convert more because it has to go through the tissues to the blood. Injection puts it right in the system where it doesnt have to go through the tissues.

Magic, this is more what I was getting at.
Your skin contains a much higher concentration of 5a-r enzymes than most other tissues. So when you apply test gel to your skin (especially the scrotum), you'll see more DHT conversion and therefore less estrogen than with IM injections. Correct?

[CautionStallion]

Magic, this is more what I was getting at.
Your skin contains a much higher concentration of 5a-r enzymes than most other tissues. So when you apply test gel to your skin (especially the scrotum), you'll see more DHT conversion and therefore less estrogen than with IM injections. Correct?

So bona, what your saying is a low Dose Test such as 100-200mg, shouldnt effect hairline if those doses put u at a natty T level that wasnt effecting it in the first place?