Anavar only cycle reasonable for my goals ???

[benbean77]

anavar only cycles seem quite popular for beginners so wanted to know what people thought of them, rather than jumping the gun into a test cycle.
stats
24
6'
80kg
13% b,f
3 years decent training
goal: add few lb's lean muscle, decent strength gains. will mabi involve clen to get as lean as possible.
cycle plan i have in mind is 6 weeks @ 60-70mg ed & clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off @ 120mcg ed, with a light nolvadex PCT.
input please
thanks

[wilshere]

I think anavar is perfect for you pal, i used anavar for my first cycle at 60mg ed and gained 10kg in 8 weeks. I seemed to hit a few walls on anavar but you just have to push through them. The only sides i noticed was a massive loss in apetite and tiredness, but apart from that i loved it.

[im83931]

I think anavar is perfect for you pal, i used anavar for my first cycle at 60mg ed and gained 10kg in 8 weeks. I seemed to hit a few walls on anavar but you just have to push through them. The only sides i noticed was a massive loss in apetite and tiredness, but apart from that i loved it.

I think its s a bad idea. Anavar can cause shut down. 6 weeks isn't long enough to run an anavar cycle, and test only is the best beginner cycle. And you are the first person I have ever heard of gaining 10kg in 8 weeks of anavar. Sounds like you thought you were buying var and got something else.

Also at 24 and 3 years of training I think its too soon to start AAS. You can always start a cycle later.

[beelong122]

is this a trend lately? I'm sick of seeing oral only cycle posts. var will shut down ur natural test therefore u need test to keep ur levels up basically a trt dose at the lowest. oral only cycles are a no go

[brad1986]

Anavar is arguable the only steroid you could take without test becaus of how mild it is. Personally i would always use test over any compount ess as a base but I think you could run this safely.. I do think test prop for 8 weeks only would be better (you can add the clen too)

[guitario]

is this a trend lately? I'm sick of seeing oral only cycle posts. var will shut down ur natural test therefore u need test to keep ur levels up basically a trt dose at the lowest. oral only cycles are a no go

I'm sick of seeing the trend recently about the bs of oral only cycles being the devil!

There is shut down, and there is lower. Two completely different things, and mainly dose dependent. A mild dose of Anavar will not shut anyone down completely.

I'm not saying oral only is better than with test, i'm just saying you don't HAVE to include test to get good results.

[D7M]

I don't think the issue is shutdown vs. not shutdown or how suppressed one will be on Var only, because you WILL be suppressed/shutdown.

The issue is how YOU will react being shutdown without exogenous test.

I've ran var alone before and felt great, healthy libido, not moody or any other of the complications that come with low test. I did a few weeks of nolva after it and was fine.

You can't really expect that much from var only. Maybe a few pounds, some hardening up if your diet/cardio are on point.

If anyone is interested, look of BJJ's Var only log. Extremely detailed and comprehensive. Pretty sure he gained over 10lbs and lost BF.

[guitario]

I don't think the issue is shutdown vs. not shutdown or how suppressed one will be on Var only, because you WILL be suppressed/shutdown.

The issue is how YOU will react being shutdown without exogenous test.

I've ran var alone before and felt great, healthy libido, not moody or any other of the complications that come with low test. I did a few weeks of nolva after it and was fine.

You can't really expect that much from var only. Maybe a few pounds, some hardening up if your diet/cardio are on point.

If anyone is interested, look of BJJ's Var only log. Extremely detailed and comprehensive. Pretty sure he gained over 10lbs and lost BF.

Do you have a link for that log by any chance? It could help the op and my friend is about to embark on a Var only cycle and i think it could benefit him.

[D7M]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.TkQ0RoIlqSo

[YoungMan]

guys var cant shut you down there is an article on this forum somewhere very interesting i read once HOWEVER It can drassticly suppress you really low after excesive use..... then cause the side effects of low libido and such, but there have been many people who have had no side effects, with good results you just cant expect much from it thats all

[Ashop]

I think anavar is perfect for you pal, i used anavar for my first cycle at 60mg ed and gained 10kg in 8 weeks. I seemed to hit a few walls on anavar but you just have to push through them. The only sides i noticed was a massive loss in apetite and tiredness, but apart from that i loved it.

I see nothing wrong with this ANAVAR only cycle either. We have used it many times with success.

[Steroidman99]

I think its s a bad idea. Anavar can cause shut down. 6 weeks isn't long enough to run an anavar cycle, and test only is the best beginner cycle. And you are the first person I have ever heard of gaining 10kg in 8 weeks of anavar. Sounds like you thought you were buying var and got something else.

Also at 24 and 3 years of training I think its too soon to start AAS. You can always start a cycle later.

After my long-time experience with Anavar, I think that a 10 kg gain in a first-time user isn't unreal. However, I would say that a part of it will be lost after the cycle, because it is formed by water absorbed by energy stores, and such gains won't be repeated in following cycles, because you will quickly become adapted to it. During my first cycle on Anavar, I took 60-65 mg/day, but during my third cycle, 80 mg/day was barely working.

As a general rule, you can expect a solid strength increase, but only a minor increase in muscle size. For example, after 3 years on oral-only cycles (2x Winstrol, 3x Anavar) I gained +4 kg body weight (at the expense of some fat), +1.5 cm on biceps and roughly +5 cm on chest. Not much impressive, but my strength is in a completely different dimension and in some exercises I am 50-60% stronger than at the beginning. The muscles are not much bigger, but they look harder and better defined.

If I were 25 years old or so, it wouldn't be bad, because I am not obsessed with muscle mass and I would have patience, but considering that I am already 37 years old, I must admit that this approach was disappointing. At the same time, I must add that the use of highly androgenic drugs is excluded in my case, because I am very sensitive to it. Next time, I will try nandrolone or Anavar+nandrolone combo.

As for the obsession with testosterone, I think it is a fanatic approach that certainly isn't recommendable for all users. Some of them may be too sensitive to androgens like me, and the drawbacks could offset the benefits. I see no problem with solo Anavar or solo nandrolone cycles. My mood was perhaps a bit deadened, but it was more than offset by the pleasure from strength gains and energy in my muscles. Of course, if you need to pleasure your girl first, then you must use testosterone in every cycle.

[ata1979]

As probably the biggest Anavar advocate on the forum, I recommend that your first cycle be test only. But, if your gonna run something besides test I think Anavar would be the 2nd best choice, very low on sides, light quality gains. You can dip your toe into the pool and if the waters warm you can jump into heavier AAS. Someone above said somethin about shutting you down hard. That's nonsense, Clomid alone is enough of a PCT for an Anavar only cycle. I just completed my Anavar only cycle and put on 5 very lean pounds, but its the 5th time I have run Anavar so my gains are alot less than what yours would be. Run 60-80mg for about 7-8 weeks. The half life of Anavar is about 8 hours so split your dosing up to morning-noon-evening. Expect 7-10 lbs of lean muscle and decent strength gains. Hit the cardio hard cause Anavar really ups your endurance, you'll notice that what used to tire you out will become an average run.

[guitario]

Is there studies that show Anavar is good for endurance or is this in your own experience?

[ata1979]

my own experience

[benbean77]

thanks for the info so far guys, have helped alot. to be honest i think i will run anavar for 7-8 weeks at 60mg e,d possibly 70. a few more questions are that should i run a supplement like ZMA or Tribulus to help stay clear of sides like loss of libido ?? and also i have a freind who ran anavar as a first cycle but also did 20-30mg of d-bol with it too (got great results with no sides) this a good or bad idea as i also have 100 d-bol tabs that were given to me, he says use them for the first 4 weeks of the cycle to help kick start. also for PCT nolvadex or clomid ???
thanks so far

[ScotchGuard02]

I don't think Anavar's very good for endurance because I get a SUPER pump while I'm doing an endurance event, like running. My calves get so pumped I can't run. When I'm grappling my arms get pumped I have to stop. My wind's fine but my muscles get too much blood in them. Tbol seems to help my wind and doesn't give me that heavy pump. I've also done Anavar only cycles. Works good. Make sure you PCT.

[benbean77]

what you think about possibly adding in some d-bol ??
thanks alot

[gixxerboy1]

guys var cant shut you down there is an article on this forum somewhere very interesting i read once HOWEVER It can drassticly suppress you really low after excesive use..... then cause the side effects of low libido and such, but there have been many people who have had no side effects, with good results you just cant expect much from it thats all

There was a member recently on here that it suppressed him pretty good after a short time on. and his dose wasnt to high. He had blood work to confirm after having libido issues.

Its something i wouldnt run alone

[gixxerboy1]

what you think about possibly adding in some d-bol ??
thanks alot

seriosuly. You wont ad in test like you should. But fvck it ill throw in some d-bol cause i got them laying around.

I dont get why people are so against running it with test. Nobody is saying to run test at 500mg a week, anavar is going to suppress you to some point. Why not jsut run 75-100mg of test a week to keep everything normal?

[Elektra_King]

your discussions about anavar are so technical for a newbie like me. I have few very important questions if any of you have tried it please help me how to start with it.

[nilrac]

I don't have a problem with people running anavar solo. Injectable cycles aren't for everybody. Albeit I've ran test in all my cycles (3). I've used anavar, and liked it. I've also used tbol and highly recommend it. I got better results with tbol I feel, though I ran it at a higher dose comparatively and also had some primo ontop of the test in that cycle. So hard to say...

[nilrac]

I don't think the issue is shutdown vs. not shutdown or how suppressed one will be on Var only, because you WILL be suppressed/shutdown.

The issue is how YOU will react being shutdown without exogenous test.

I've ran var alone before and felt great, healthy libido, not moody or any other of the complications that come with low test. I did a few weeks of nolva after it and was fine.

You can't really expect that much from var only. Maybe a few pounds, some hardening up if your diet/cardio are on point.

If anyone is interested, look of BJJ's Var only log. Extremely detailed and comprehensive. Pretty sure he gained over 10lbs and lost BF.

^^^this is an excellent post. good points, well made.

[rawpower]

bump

[Steroidman99]

I'm sick of seeing the trend recently about the bs of oral only cycles being the devil!

There is shut down, and there is lower. Two completely different things, and mainly dose dependent. A mild dose of Anavar will not shut anyone down completely.

I'm not saying oral only is better than with test, i'm just saying you don't HAVE to include test to get good results.

The main problem probably lies in the fact that some people want to take steroids for sports purpose, while others should rather be classified as pornactors. LOL

[johngotti]

THis is the same chump that got kicked off ology cause of his dumbass ways of using steriods dont listen to this *****

[Steroidman99]

THis is the same chump that got kicked off ology cause of his dumbass ways of using steriods dont listen to this *****

Can you spend a while by arguing with me, please? I suppose you will smash all my arguments with ease. Or do you want to ban me immediately, from preventive reasons?

[DeadlyD]

My first cycle was var alone @60mgs day, before I knew anything about AAS! I had very minimal results, after years of research I started a test only cycle ....WOW. I am a very strong believer that test should be a base in any steroid cycle.

[badger2uk]

hy there, from where i buy some anavar ANd novaldex?cheers

[Steroidman99]

I learned that steroid users could be divided into two categories: Athletes and porn actors.

Athletes use steroids primarily for the purpose of improved sports performance, with improved appearance as an added benefit. They try to maximize their gains at minimal side effects, with minimal complications.

In contrast, porn actors don't care about any sports performance and the only measure of "good results" in their imagination is the ability of the steroid to pump their body with useless water. Besides that, their main concern during the cycle is, if they are able to have sex with their girlfriend every day. Their preferred internet nicknames are "Toughguy240lbs", "20InchBiceps" etc.

My first cycle was var alone @60mgs day, before I knew anything about AAS! I had very minimal results, after years of research I started a test only cycle ....WOW. I am a very strong believer that test should be a base in any steroid cycle.

You want to tell me that you observed "very minimal" strength gains during an Anavar cycle? Are you sure that you were not taking lentils? Or did you expect that a non-aromatizing steroid will transform you into Arnold overnight?

[Steroidman99]

hy there, from where i buy some anavar ANd novaldex?cheers

In the internet you can find Chinese sources.

[gixxerboy1]

^^^^ edit your post. your here long enough to know we dont discuss where sources or where to buy

[DeadlyD]

I learned that steroid users could be divided into two categories: Athletes and porn actors.

Athletes use steroids primarily for the purpose of improved sports performance, with improved appearance as an added benefit. They try to maximize their gains at minimal side effects, with minimal complications.

In contrast, porn actors don't care about any sports performance and the only measure of "good results" in their imagination is the ability of the steroid to pump their body with useless water. Besides that, their main concern during the cycle is, if they are able to have sex with their girlfriend every day. Their preferred internet nicknames are "Toughguy240lbs", "20InchBiceps" etc.

You want to tell me that you observed "very minimal" strength gains during an Anavar cycle? Are you sure that you were not taking lentils? Or did you expect that a non-aromatizing steroid will transform you into Arnold overnight?

Ya that's what I'm telling you! Strength gains were there, but can not come close to test, if your afraid of needles this ain't the game for you.

[Steroidman99]

Ya that's what I'm telling you! Strength gains were there, but can not come close to test, if your afraid of needles this ain't the game for you.

Yes, of course. That's the property of Anavar. You can't expect huge muscle gains from a non-aromatizing steroid. Adding testosterone will make the cycle more effective, and I don't dispute it. I am only arguing that it is meaningless in people, who use Anavar, because they want to avoid side effects. And I don't like when someone is pushing testosterone to everybody's cycle only because he will enjoy better sex then (at the expense of faster recovery).

But first of all, please don't confuse real gains (strength, myofibrilar hypertrophy) with virtual gains (water weight, sarcoplasmatic hypertrophy). I see there is a lot of misunderstanding between "athletes" and "porn actors" in this regard.

[Steroidman99]

^^^^ edit your post. your here long enough to know we dont discuss where sources or where to buy

I didn't mention any concrete sources.

[gixxerboy1]

I didn't mention any concrete sources.

doesnt matter. What you posted is against the rules. Please edit it

[DeadlyD]

Yes, of course. That's the property of Anavar. You can't expect huge muscle gains from a non-aromatizing steroid. Adding testosterone will make the cycle more effective, and I don't dispute it. I am only arguing that it is meaningless in people, who use Anavar, because they want to avoid side effects. And I don't like when someone is pushing testosterone to everybody's cycle only because he will enjoy better sex then (at the expense of faster recovery).

But first of all, please don't confuse real gains (strength, myofibrilar hypertrophy) with virtual gains (water weight, sarcoplasmatic hypertrophy). I see there is a lot of misunderstanding between "athletes" and "porn actors" in this regard.

I guess I'm just saying that test doing a test cycle is a bigger bang for your buck! Stacking var with test is a better cycle imo, that's all, but to each their own.

[ironmike22]

Is there a good online place to buy Var? Looking for the 50mg BD

[ghettoboyd]

Is there a good online place to buy Var? Looking for the 50mg BD

sorry bro thats against the rules...you may want to read them before you post again...

[sleepingz]

not being funny mate, but your throwing all the judgements and assumptions on here about other steroid users, judging someone on thier user name, how do you think steroidman sounds!? cmon man, your startin to sound a bit on the hypocrit\douche sibut said it once an ill repeat,

give test only a shot, you can cut or bulk down to your diet, if these guys didnt care thyd tell you to get a year supply and go nuts, but thyr not, there telling you the truth