First cycle Enanthate vs Prop

[MrJuice]

Hi Guys,

So im starting a first cycle of either enanthate or prop as ive hit a massive plateau and my gains are extremely slow. Now i would like to know what would be preferable between the two. Please keep in mind that i have a very reliable source for quality prop and not enanthate. My goal is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible. Before you ask, "what are your stats?" here they are.

24 years old
6'1
92kg @ ~%13 BF
went from a skinny 58kg to 92kg in a period of around 5 years of training


what are your thoughts?

[Honkey_Kong]

Hi Guys,

So im starting a first cycle of either enanthate or prop as ive hit a massive plateau and my gains are extremely slow. Now i would like to know what would be preferable between the two. Please keep in mind that i have a very reliable source for quality prop and not enanthate. My goal is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible. Before you ask, "what are your stats?" here they are.

24 years old
6'1
92kg @ ~%13 BF
went from a skinny 58kg to 92kg in a period of around 5 years of training


what are your thoughts?

What does your diet and workout routine look like? And honestly either of them will work. Prop is a shorter ester so it's half-life is much shorter and thus you're going to be pinning yourself quite frequently. I'd recommend the enathate for your first time.

[Phate]

First off I commend you for your progress so far(do you have any before and after shots? I'd love to see that type of transformation). As stated above, diet and workout would help but here's a quick breakdown of propionate vs. enanthate(simplifed)

Advantages of Propionate
1) Shorter ester will reach maximum blood serum levels faster, i.e. faster "peaking"
2) Propionate being a small ester gives you more actual test per given amount(81.1mg of actual test/100 total vs. 69.9mg/100mg I BELIEVE, i'll check and correct if need be tomorrow)
3) If pinned properly blood levels can be kept more stable and thus less aromatization via the E2 pathway to estrogen, i.e. less water retention, lower blood pressure, "harder look"
4) Shorter cycle duration
5) Better quality source for you, personally I believe quality is a big deal when you are injecting and thus bypassing your body's immune defenses(at least the primary and secondary levels)

Disadvantages
1) More pinning=more pain=more scar tissue buildup
2) Prop, if mixed certain ways, can be more painful for some people
3) Prop can aggravate the immune system causing "prop flu"
4) Blood levels can become unstable more quickly if you miss dosages


We can get into a more detailed discussion if you like but these are some basic things to ponder over

[stpete]

hahaha..more detailed discussion Phate? Damn it, i was about to say the same thing but you beat me to the punch. College kids.....

[guitario]

Advantages of Test e? Apart from the obvious like less pinning etc.

[Lemonada8]

Along with more conversion to e2 with test e, its nothing substantial but its the reason for bloating and why peeps take a ai on cycle with test e. with prop you have a higher test spike due to its shorter life.

I love prop, pinning ED isnt that big of a deal. I do 7 week cycles and i get great gains with little loss of gains. and most who use prop dont need to use a AI for ERSE cuz it doesnt aromatize as much as test e does.

Estrogen is key for IGF-1 however, so estrogen isnt bad. Just can cause some sides if outta control

[mani_bono]

Along with more conversion to e2 with test e, its nothing substantial but its the reason for bloating and why peeps take a ai on cycle with test e. with prop you have a higher test spike due to its shorter life.

I love prop, pinning ED isnt that big of a deal. I do 7 week cycles and i get great gains with little loss of gains. and most who use prop dont need to use a AI for ERSE cuz it doesnt aromatize as much as test e does.

Estrogen is key for IGF-1 however, so estrogen isnt bad. Just can cause some sides if outta control

Hey Lemonada, So you don't use any AI during your cycle with prop? I'm on on my second cycle of prop now, first cycle I only used 50mg of proviron ED to combat any estrogen sides.
I'm starting to wonder if i need proviron at all, if as you say prop doesn't aromatize as much, If estrogen is a key for IGF, do you think using proviron would decease my gains?

[MrJuice]

So test prop looks like the way to go. What would a typical test prop cycle look like including PCT and what gains should i expect to keep once I come off?

Thanks in advance