First Cycle- Test C only, Q's about the PCT

[PennIron]

Hey everyone, Great forum. I've been reading it continuously trying to learn as much as I can. I think I have an alright grasp on what is going on, but some of the abbreviations are greek to me.

Anyways, I have questions about my first cycle. Stats: 25yo/6'1"/220 about 10%bf. Been lifting serious since 17 (until about 22, then stopped playing sports after college). I still lift hard though, out of habit I guess. I have always toyed with the idea of running a couple cycles just to see where I could go with it (physically) but never did before as I was too young/wanted to stay clean throughout my athletic years.

Recently, talking with a friend who has experience with Steroids, he brought up the idea of running a Test C only cycle, at about 500mg's a week for 8-10 weeks. After researching this, it sounds about right, no?

This is where I lose my mind; trying to figure out the PCT. It seems as if the test cycle is the easy part, it's the PCT that makes my brain spin, so please excuse my ignorance.

After running Test C for 10 weeks, I wait for 2 weeks after the last shot of Test. Then, for the first two week of PCT I'll use 40mg of Nolva and 50mg of Clomid injected once weekly (I assume on the exact same schedule as the Test). Then, the next two weeks will be 20mg of Nolva and 25mg of Clomid.

After that, take about 8-10 weeks off before the next cycle.


Does that sound about right? For gyno, there was another substance to be used (or rather, be kept on hand just incase) what is it?


Any other comments, feedback, questions, etc would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[gjames2012]

you will run pct and time off for the same time as the cycle. time on = time off. why the cyp first and not test e out of curiosity?? its the usual choice for first cycle

[gjames2012]

^^^ oh and have you read the pct stickies or the main page cycle charts??? they have pretty much everything. good luck

[PennIron]

Oh, I don't know. As I understand it, Test E and C aren't much different. I thought it was more of a, "whichever you can get your hands on will work" kind of deal. But they are typically not that much different from one another, no?

[PennIron]

^^^ oh and have you read the pct stickies or the main page cycle charts??? they have pretty much everything. good luck

Yeah, I have, that's where my brain started spinning. So much information and I essentially cliff noted it for myself coming to the conclusion that the nolva and clomid combination would be good. If there is a better PCT, I'd love to see it.

I don't have a whole lot of expert experience with this, so that's why its easier for me to keep it simple.

[gjames2012]

most first cycles are test e or c but the most common and recommended is a test e at 500 mgs a week split every 3.5 days in 250 mg shots keep a-dex on hand in case of sides and pct will start two weeks after last shot, common looks like this:
first day- 300mg clomid/20mg nolva/.25a-dex
days 2-30- 100mg clomid/20mg nolva/.25mg a-dex
days 31-37 o clomid/20mg nolva/.25mg a-dex

this is all dosed every day but there are mixed opinions on a-dex for pct and using that much clomid. some get too emotional! lol anyways im sure someone will chime in who has more experience. i am about to run first cycle and been researching and learning for 3 years. this pct tends to be the safest anf most popular from what i gathered. good luck

[Bio-Active]

Hey everyone, Great forum. I've been reading it continuously trying to learn as much as I can. I think I have an alright grasp on what is going on, but some of the abbreviations are greek to me.

Anyways, I have questions about my first cycle. Stats: 25yo/6'1"/220 about 10%bf. Been lifting serious since 17 (until about 22, then stopped playing sports after college). I still lift hard though, out of habit I guess. I have always toyed with the idea of running a couple cycles just to see where I could go with it (physically) but never did before as I was too young/wanted to stay clean throughout my athletic years.

Recently, talking with a friend who has experience with Steroids, he brought up the idea of running a Test C only cycle, at about 500mg's a week for 8-10 weeks. After researching this, it sounds about right, no?

This is where I lose my mind; trying to figure out the PCT. It seems as if the test cycle is the easy part, it's the PCT that makes my brain spin, so please excuse my ignorance.

After running Test C for 10 weeks, I wait for 2 weeks after the last shot of Test. Then, for the first two week of PCT I'll use 40mg of Nolva and 50mg of Clomid injected once weekly (I assume on the exact same schedule as the Test). Then, the next two weeks will be 20mg of Nolva and 25mg of Clomid.

After that, take about 8-10 weeks off before the next cycle.


Does that sound about right? For gyno, there was another substance to be used (or rather, be kept on hand just incase) what is it?


Any other comments, feedback, questions, etc would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Slow down a bit Bro. You have the rest of your life to run cycles. You really need to spend some more time researching PCT and fully understand it before running any cycles. Honestly I think PCT is the most important part of the cycle especially at your age. No point in risking messing up the natural feedback of your own hormones right now.

[PennIron]

Slow down a bit Bro. You have the rest of your life to run cycles. You really need to spend some more time researching PCT and fully understand it before running any cycles. Honestly I think PCT is the most important part of the cycle especially at your age. No point in risking messing up the natural feedback of your own hormones right now.

I get what you're saying, I'm just excited to try it all out, most people can't wait to turn 21, I couldn't wait to turn 25.


What you say is something I have/am learned/ing. The PCT seems to be the most important, albeit complicated step to the steroid world. I really want to make sure I get that right.

I misspoke on the pct, after reading my notes I wrote, it should be every day, not weekly.

Is my PCT ok? Or should it resemble gjames' pct more?

[PennIron]

Afternoon bump!

[Bio-Active]

I get what you're saying, I'm just excited to try it all out, most people can't wait to turn 21, I couldn't wait to turn 25.


What you say is something I have/am learned/ing. The PCT seems to be the most important, albeit complicated step to the steroid world. I really want to make sure I get that right.

I misspoke on the pct, after reading my notes I wrote, it should be every day, not weekly.

Is my PCT ok? Or should it resemble gjames' pct more?

your PCT is not ok if you think you are going to inject clomid or tamox(nolvadex)

[crown9139]

you don't inject nolva or clomid lol. just a heads up before you load that needle up

[vtach12]

Yes make sure you have a solid PCT program in place BEFORE you cycle. Keep adex on hand in case you start to have high Estrogen sides. Some HCG would save your testies on cycle as well.

[Sicko]

most first cycles are test e or c but the most common and recommended is a test e at 500 mgs a week split every 3.5 days in 250 mg shots keep a-dex on hand in case of sides and pct will start two weeks after last shot, common looks like this:
first day- 300mg clomid/20mg nolva/.25a-dex
days 2-30- 100mg clomid/20mg nolva/.25mg a-dex
days 31-37 o clomid/20mg nolva/.25mg a-dex

this is all dosed every day but there are mixed opinions on a-dex for pct and using that much clomid. some get too emotional! lol anyways im sure someone will chime in who has more experience. i am about to run first cycle and been researching and learning for 3 years. this pct tends to be the safest anf most popular from what i gathered. good luck

IMO your numbers are way to high especially for a tes only cycle. No need to run for so long or with clomid so high. Some will say that even the clomid at 100 for two weeks is not needed.
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20