BAD NEWS. Please Help! (Worried)

[cboyer5]

Hi guys,

I'm brand new to the forum and hope I can get some help here. I've done quite a bit of reading and know that I should have never done this so please (at least try) to refrain from beating in my head that I shouldn't have done a cycle at my age.. I have already realized that, and regret it.

I'm currently 22 years old now, but previously at the age of 17 I did a pretty decent sized cycle.. The source of the juice as well as the PCT were questionable, infact I'm not sure if the capsules I took for PCT were even legit.

I did a cycle of if I'm not mistaken it consisted of about 500mg/week of test-e and I was also taking another one and I think it was Deca but I can't remember.
I also did the first 2 weeks and last 2 weeks of 50mg Test-Prop EoD.

Anyways, I gained about 25 pounds and then later lost most of it...

Lately, I have been feeling a sense of depression, foggy-minded, lack of energy, bad memory, etc... I did my research on these symptoms and it linked to hormone levels.. I then realized that this could be due to the cycle I did previously..

I went and got a blood test done and and I have a few things that are abnormal.

My testosterone level is at 374 ng/dL and I also have other blood levels that are abnormal such as my good/bad cholosterol, and my AST/ALT (SGOT/SGPT) levels which are EXTREMELY high which could potentially be dangerous to my liver and I'm still trying to figure out what might be causing this.

I have posted the picture to my test results for you to view them. What I'm asking you guys is if I'm screwed for life or is there any chance of recovery here and what should my next steps be? My dad is a specialized doctor and can perscribe anything, however that is only if NEEDED.

I would really appreciate anyones help and I thank you for taking the time to read this. I'm refocusing my habbits and trying to become a healthier person.

Thanks!

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[cboyer5]

All these views and no replies? Cmon Vet's, help me out

[auslifta]

Have you had an endo or doctor review your results?

[auslifta]

oh I cant see the results, would you be able to type them out please?

[Honkey_Kong]

All these views and no replies? Cmon Vet's, help me out

You've got a serious situation on your hands there. The ALT levels are a better indicator of possible liver problems. The AST levels can indicate a problem with your liver, but they can also indicate other more serious problems with other body parts (IE a heart attack). Your cholesterol levels are out of whack too. What's your blood pressure at? The whites in your eyes aren't a bit yellowish are they? Any problems with your breathing like shortness of breath? Recent tingling in the jaw or arms?

To put it lightly, you need to see some doctors immediately. You might want to start talking to your dad about this and tell him exactly what you've done.

[cboyer5]

oh I cant see the results, would you be able to type them out please?

Here is another link to see my results: http://i51.tinypic.com/14wzxgh.jpg

You've got a serious situation on your hands there. The ALT levels are a better indicator of possible liver problems. The AST levels can indicate a problem with your liver, but they can also indicate other more serious problems with other body parts (IE a heart attack). Your cholesterol levels are out of whack too. What's your blood pressure at? The whites in your eyes aren't a bit yellowish are they? Any problems with your breathing like shortness of breath? Recent tingling in the jaw or arms?

To put it lightly, you need to see some doctors immediately. You might want to start talking to your dad about this and tell him exactly what you've done.

I have spoken with my Dad and told him about previous use.. I do not have jeandis (spelling?) - the yelloish in eyes.. I do have Asthma so shortness of breath is normal.. I'll get tingling in arms when waking up but I think thats from sleeping on it funny.. Last time I took my blood pressure (couple months ago) it was pretty normal...

I can say that I have been a pretty heavy drinker and I have also messed with Roxicodone and Suboxone lately but neither within 14 hours of the test. I am pretty sure these can affect the results but I do not think they can affect it THAT MUCH. I am worried about the liver levels and my dad did say that this is a bit more serious than the test levels, however I would like to resolve both as I do feel symptoms of low test.

I appreciate you're response and look forward to hearing from you again..

Thanks!

[Honkey_Kong]

I asked about the jaundice due to the elevated bilirubin level. Most of the low test symptoms can also be symptoms of other problems.

[cboyer5]

I asked about the jaundice due to the elevated bilirubin level. Most of the low test symptoms can also be symptoms of other problems.

Gotcha. Well heres what my dad recommended: Stop drinking alcohol / taking any type of pain medicine for 2 weeks and get another blood test done, then move from there.. does this sound pretty reasonable? Sometimes I feel like my Dad takes a very slow approach on health issues.. he's very conservative.

[Phate]

alcohol and pain meds(which contain acetominophen, can cause liver levels to increase like your tests have shown). Your liver wouldn't be showing signs like that from a cycle 5 years ago without other symptoms present as well, what medications are you taking and what dosages?

[cboyer5]

I have just been drinking alcohol, and in the past couple weeks I have been taking approximately three 30mg Roxicodones (very strong controlled opiate pain killer) per day. However, I hadn't taken any Roxicodones within 48 hours of the blood test. Instead, I took a 2mg (low dosage) Suboxone (a medicine to get people off of Roxy's probably about 14 hours before the test I'm assuming this might be causing increased levels but I'm not sure it would cause it to go that high... I'm worried about these levels and appreciate your help.

What are you're thoughts/recommendations?

[auslifta]

you really need to stop the alcohol and taper down your pain killers over the next 2-3weeks. Have you travelled anywhere overseas in the last 12 months? Got any tattoos? Whats your occupation?

[cboyer5]

I am, I've actually been tapering off with the Suboxone, and IF ANYTHING, I might take one more 2mg suboxone strip.. other than that I'm done and won't be drinking any more alcohol. I have not gone anywhere overseas and I have one tattoo I got done when I was 17 at a reputable shop. I have had numerous sexual partners and have a bad habit of using a condom.. I'm not sure if some sort of hepatitis might be a concern? Do you think I should just chill out on everything for 2 weeks and take another blood test like my dad said?

Any other recommendations/suggestions?

Thx Aus

[auslifta]

Yeah mate just relax and get more bloodwork done in couple of weeks. Yeah Hep was a concern. If you're suffering depression, alcohol will not help. It will make it worse. This could of been triggered when your hormone levels fvcked up after your cycle. Its a hard rutt to get yourself out of. It might sound like something your not interested in, but it sounds like you might need to see a councillor. Keep your head up. I recommend getting a referal for an endo to get your levels back in order, yes your test is too low imo, I'd be interested in your second round tests. Goodluck.

[Honkey_Kong]

I am, I've actually been tapering off with the Suboxone, and IF ANYTHING, I might take one more 2mg suboxone strip.. other than that I'm done and won't be drinking any more alcohol. I have not gone anywhere overseas and I have one tattoo I got done when I was 17 at a reputable shop. I have had numerous sexual partners and have a bad habit of using a condom.. I'm not sure if some sort of hepatitis might be a concern? Do you think I should just chill out on everything for 2 weeks and take another blood test like my dad said?

Any other recommendations/suggestions?

Thx Aus

Yeah, chill out with that shit. In fact, unless you're in so much pain that you can't bare it, you shouldn't take pain meds ever. Retesting can be good. Also, it can be a lab error too.

[Flier]

Hi guys,

I'm brand new to the forum and hope I can get some help here. I've done quite a bit of reading and know that I should have never done this so please (at least try) to refrain from beating in my head that I shouldn't have done a cycle at my age.. I have already realized that, and regret it.

I'm currently 22 years old now, but previously at the age of 17 I did a pretty decent sized cycle.. The source of the juice as well as the PCT were questionable, infact I'm not sure if the capsules I took for PCT were even legit.

I did a cycle of if I'm not mistaken it consisted of about 500mg/week of test-e and I was also taking another one and I think it was Deca but I can't remember.
I also did the first 2 weeks and last 2 weeks of 50mg Test-Prop EoD.

Anyways, I gained about 25 pounds and then later lost most of it...

Lately, I have been feeling a sense of depression, foggy-minded, lack of energy, bad memory, etc... I did my research on these symptoms and it linked to hormone levels.. I then realized that this could be due to the cycle I did previously..

I went and got a blood test done and and I have a few things that are abnormal.

My testosterone level is at 374 ng/dL and I also have other blood levels that are abnormal such as my good/bad cholosterol, and my AST/ALT (SGOT/SGPT) levels which are EXTREMELY high which could potentially be dangerous to my liver and I'm still trying to figure out what might be causing this.

I have posted the picture to my test results for you to view them. What I'm asking you guys is if I'm screwed for life or is there any chance of recovery here and what should my next steps be? My dad is a specialized doctor and can perscribe anything, however that is only if NEEDED.

I would really appreciate anyones help and I thank you for taking the time to read this. I'm refocusing my habbits and trying to become a healthier person.

Thanks!

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Why are you taking pain meds?
Imo, this has very little to do with your cycle.
Symtoms should have shown up much earlier.
This has to do with your alcohol, substance abuse.
You just need to quit cold, and hit the gym.
When it comes to the substances you are abusing, there is no need to taper off.
If you mean what you say in bold, then you will have no problem.
Hitting the weights will dramatically help you quit abusing, and shift your focus, including making you feel better as you release Endorphines.
Don´t be a ***** about, just do it, or your Dad will be talking to a headstone very soon.
If you still have low Test 6 months from now, then address that issue.

[cro]

wtf,,, why are you poppin the pain pills ? those are horrible and alcohol? man you better get your self in check, quick before you do damage.

I am, I've actually been tapering off with the Suboxone, and IF ANYTHING, I might take one more 2mg suboxone strip.. other than that I'm done and won't be drinking any more alcohol. I have not gone anywhere overseas and I have one tattoo I got done when I was 17 at a reputable shop. I have had numerous sexual partners and have a bad habit of using a condom.. I'm not sure if some sort of hepatitis might be a concern? Do you think I should just chill out on everything for 2 weeks and take another blood test like my dad said?

Any other recommendations/suggestions?

Thx Aus

[cboyer5]

Yes I was having some major back pain and I started taking the Roxicodones.. they are extremely addicting and ABSOLUTELY need tapering off.. it's a physical reliance on the drug so your incorrect with your statement that you can quit cold... However, I have already been tapering off and I will not be taking any more of it at this point, and I'm not drinking alcohol either.. I guess I'm going to wait it out 2 weeks and retake the blood test and see the results... hopefully everything is okay.

Also, to clarify, I have actually been feeling like this for years, I just couldn't figure out what the problem is and thought it was just depression or something.

Any other thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.

[gunnery]

Hey brother, yes taper off!!!!!!! Your ast/alt elevation is def. Cause of pain meds and alcohol. Been down that road year and a half ago, quit cold turkey because my nurse wife was leaving .....and she let me...three weeks later I was functional sort of so I packed her shit for her...anyway I've been lifting hard for a yr and feel great but liver enzymes are still a little high so don't expect to heal fast it takes time, good luck man...

[gunnery]

Oh yeah and I felt the same as u till I got on trt.

[cboyer5]

Roxicodone has no tylenol (acetaminophen) in it... strictly narcotic. Can it still cause this high of numbers?

Also update: Today I got the Hepatitis Panel A,B, & C done so I should have results by monday to see if this is a factor.. How common is hepatitis?

Thanks for everyones help - I've been very worried lately.. Ive been off the meds for 2 days now and will not be drinking anymore. I will be getting another blood test in 2 weeks.

[gunnery]

Roxicodone has no tylenol (acetaminophen) in it... strictly narcotic. Can it still cause this high of numbers?
yes
Also update: Today I got the Hepatitis Panel A,B, & C done so I should have results by monday to see if this is a factor.. How common is hepatitis?
first thing they check for ... pretty common
Thanks for everyones help - I've been very worried lately.. Ive been off the meds for 2 days now and will not be drinking anymore. I will be getting another blood test in 2 weeks.

if your away from them for 2 days and are feeling ok then you werent to addicted so good for you! stay away from them ...you must have worked your way down with suboxone? anyway workout hard and cardio you'll feel great soon , see the doc and get everything else fixed...good luck brother

[cboyer5]

yeah I worked my way off of it with suboxone... I was taking probably three 30mg roxys a day for a couple of months... after this I'm done with it.. but I just dont know if thats what is causing such high levels or not.. I'm just scared its some type of hepatitis or permanant liver damage? I'm freaking out in my head...

[auslifta]

Just relax about it. "If there is something you can do about it, there is no need to stress. If you can't do anything about it, there is no need to stress."
You are starting to make the right decisions. I wouldnt be too worried about Hep, you're in a lower risk group from the answers you gave. The pain killers and alcohol are way more likely to be the cause. I just wanted to get a clearer picture of your situation before giving advice. At least you will have a better understanding after your tests are in. Your liver can repair itself, my only concern from toxic abuse is possiblity of liver cancer. You haven't been abusing for that long and are now making the right decisions. Get your arse back in the gym. Goodluck.

[auslifta]

Why are you taking pain meds?
Imo, this has very little to do with your cycle.
Symtoms should have shown up much earlier.
This has to do with your alcohol, substance abuse.
You just need to quit cold, and hit the gym.
When it comes to the substances you are abusing, there is no need to taper off.
If you mean what you say in bold, then you will have no problem.
Hitting the weights will dramatically help you quit abusing, and shift your focus, including making you feel better as you release Endorphines.
Don´t be a ***** about, just do it, or your Dad will be talking to a headstone very soon.
If you still have low Test 6 months from now, then address that issue.

Bad advice to go cold turkey with opiates.

[Flier]

Bad advice to go cold turkey with opiates.

Yes, my bad.
I thought he abused it as a party drug with alcohol.

But he has actually used for years for legitimate reasons.
Probably not realizing he don´t need as much anymore.

[PitMaster]

I know you said u stopped the roxi's. I take it you were taking the suboxone as a fill in when u didn't have the other. If you now stay on the suboxone too long you will withdraw from those also. Taper those best u can, I'm sure you will still have mild symptoms, stick it out man.

[cboyer5]

Update: I got my hepatitis results back in today and I'm negative for all three (huge relief)

Yes I have been tapering off even with the suboxone.. I started with 8mg/day and tapered down to 1mg EoD.. I'm now off completely.

At this point I'm relieved to know that it's not a uncurable hepatitis, but still need to figure out the reason. I'm hoping it was just the roxicodones causing this and hopefully I'll have a better result next blood test in 2 weeks.

I almost want to get on TRT if my Test levels don't increase because honestly my life feels so shitty and Ive been depressed about all of these symptoms I'm feeling for years now. I had a daughter early and figured I was having depression and stress issues from all of that, however it seems that I've found out it is because of the low test.

Thanks everyone for giving input, it's really helped me a lot.

[cboyer5]

I just got my Free Test levels back and it is at 13.65 mg/dL - however I still feel almost every symptom of low test. My Total is at 374 mg/dL which is very low.

Once I get my liver levels back in order and if my test levels stay close to the above results.. would you guys still suggest TRT? I know some say if your free levels are good, your fine.. but I don't feel good.

Thanks

[auslifta]

I would strongly advise against TRT at this stage. Lets get your liver sorted out first. Start training again, and get your diet in order. I think you not feeling good has more to do with depression. Once you start to get back on track, it will snowball. You have already got the ball rolling.

[Flier]

I would strongly advise against TRT at this stage. Lets get your liver sorted out first. Start training again, and get your diet in order. I think you not feeling good has more to do with depression. Once you start to get back on track, it will snowball. You have already got the ball rolling.

^^^x10
You have all the time in the world.
Give yourself at least 6 months.
Your test is really not that bad, and it will get better.
No shit you feel symptoms....from all the poison you put in your body for years.
Clean up, and give your body some time. Nature is at work.

[cboyer5]

Ok will do guys.. I will give it 6 months or so, and hopefully my liver levels normalize.. if by then I'm still feeling shitty I'll maybe give TRT a shot...

Is it possible to trial out if you feel much better.. for example.. do say 100mg/week Test-E for 10 weeks, then run a PCT? Just to see how much difference you feel?

[brad1986]

I have just been drinking alcohol, and in the past couple weeks I have been taking approximately three 30mg Roxicodones (very strong controlled opiate pain killer) per day. However, I hadn't taken any Roxicodones within 48 hours of the blood test. Instead, I took a 2mg (low dosage) Suboxone (a medicine to get people off of Roxy's probably about 14 hours before the test I'm assuming this might be causing increased levels but I'm not sure it would cause it to go that high... I'm worried about these levels and appreciate your help.

What are you're thoughts/recommendations?

THis will kill your liver as well as testosterone. Get off the oxycontin asap! methadone clinic is even better than that shit man. I went through it and it sux

[Flier]

Ok will do guys.. I will give it 6 months or so, and hopefully my liver levels normalize.. if by then I'm still feeling shitty I'll maybe give TRT a shot...

Is it possible to trial out if you feel much better.. for example.. do say 100mg/week Test-E for 10 weeks, then run a PCT? Just to see how much difference you feel?

I guarantee you will feel better after you cleanse your body for 6 months.
Hit the gym!
My test is in the 400´s and I feel great.

If your test is still low after 6 months, (less than 400)
And if you really want to see how a little extra test makes you feel, a little gel will do the job, with minimum disruption to your HPTA, and bring you right up to 800´ish (personal experience)
But if you have an addictive personality, I would leave it alone.

Some guys here can´t let go of the superman feeling they have on test, forgetting we are only human, and supposed to feel like a human.
Sometimes we will feel like shit, and for long periods of time for different reasons, been there. Nice to medicate during those times, but smarter to not.

[yungone501]

Youre doing a good job man. Continue to taper off on your dosage. Drink plenty of fluids (water or gatorade pref.). Buy some Liv52 for liver support. And more importantly over ALL...dont ever take another pill. One's too many and a thousand is never enough. Trust me. Good luck.