** Are you a "bodybuilder"? **

[Sgt. Hartman]

I was at the orthopedic yesterday having my shoulder checked out and it turns out I have a partially dislocated AC joint and maybe a torn labrum. I've just been working around it for almost a year and had no idea it was that bad - just thought it was tendonitis or something. Won't know anything for sure til the MRI results come back.

Anyway, the doc was going over my options with me (live with it, surgery, rehab, etc.). He asked me if I was an athlete. I said yes, I played D1 college baseball so I still think of myself as an athlete (if you consider baseball players athletes LOL). He started asking me what sports I play currently and my activity level and all that.

I really struggled to explain to him my level of dedication to my physique and that I could not and would not tolerate or simply live with any joint problems. I feel like I am much more than a casual weightlifter, I count every calorie I put in my mouth, workout with 100% intensity 5 days a week, do cardio religiously with purpose depending on my BF at the time, spend countless hours researching nutrition info, workout techniques, and compounds. It encompasses my life and I am obsessed with it.

I should have just told him that I am a "bodybuilder" and that my body needs to operate at 100%, but I can't bring myself to call myself a bodybuilder. I think of bodybuilders as pros or guys who compete, or people who look like Fireguy or Marcus (before he turned 70 and entered the nursing home ). So what am I? Just an obsessive freak who is crazy over his body?

So the question is - do you consider yourself a "bodybuilder" and why or why not? If you do consider yourself a bodybuilder, do you tell people that you're a bodybuilder?

BTW, not trying to get into a pissing contest listing stats, thinking more along the lines of dedication, work ethic with training and diet, etc.

[Twist]

I would say no, I am not a bodybuilder. I do not count all my calories (often very few - admittedly because I just need to eat as much as I can), I only wanna be 185lbs, I have no interest in competing, being healthy and feeling great/comfortable in my body outweighs any need to feel/get bigger. I think you can call yourself a bodybuilder if you have plans to compete. If you just want to be big tell them you follow a bber lifestyle but have no plans to compete.

[baseline_9]

This is an interesting point.... People are kind of ashamed to call themselves bodybuilders in case others thinkthey are strange....

I would say that I'm not a Bodybuilder because i don't compete... I would say that i 'do bodybuilding' if u get me...


I know that sound kind of stupid, bu untill I look like a Bodybuilder I would not call myself one...

I train like a BB

I eat like a BB

I do drugs like a BB


Funny, I wouldn't call myself a BB... I think BB's are people who compete

[gbrice75]

Great topic!

I think I know exactly how you feel, albeit maybe for different reasons.

At this point, I would NEVER say that i'm a bodybuilder, at least not to another human being. For me, it'd be embarrassing - firstly, i'm tiny. Most of the time I don't even feel like I look as if I weight train, let alone calling it 'body-building'.

Having said that, I eat, sleep, and breath bodybuilding. As Sgt. so succintly put it, I also count every calorie, train hard, and when i'm not actually eating or training, i'm thinking about or researching eat and training. It completely consumes my life as well. Admittedly an obsession, but i'd like to think a relatively healthy one.

I think the problem is with the actual term 'bodybuilder' and the imagery it brings to mind for the average person. I believe everybody immediately thinks of Venice Beach, or Arnold, or what they believe 'real bodybuilders' look like all year round (i.e. stage condition), which we know isn't the case.

Hopefully someday i'll be able to call myself a bodybuilder. I have zero intention to ever compete, but i'd love to be in that condition just once in my life, for self satisfaction, to say I did it. For now, i'll continue to struggle with even telling people "yea, I lift" because I am paranoid and feel they're judging me, like "Really? YOU lift? I would never have guessed, you're so tiny". I've even had that dream, ugh it sucks to live with. But i'm digressing now.

Great topic Sgt, would love to hear more points of view on this.

[smurfette]

I just read on another site that you aren't a bodybuilder until you compete and until then, you are just a weight lifter. BUT... if I think of it in terms of other sports, well... you can say you're a hockey player even if you don't play in the NHL. You can say you're a swimmer even if you never swam in the Olympics, right? Maybe the cut off is making a living off your bodybuilding - not having to have another job. Or maybe the cut off is getting your pro card. I don't know, I'm just discussing

[ANIMAL]

I just read on another site that you aren't a bodybuilder until you compete and until then, you are just a weight lifter. BUT... if I think of it in terms of other sports, well... you can say you're a hockey player even if you don't play in the NHL. You can say you're a swimmer even if you never swam in the Olympics, right? Maybe the cut off is making a living off your bodybuilding - not having to have another job. Or maybe the cut off is getting your pro card. I don't know, I'm just discussing

If you play hockey at a competitive level (doesn't have to be NHL), you are a hockey player. If you swim on a team, you're a swimmer (doesn't have to be for Team USA). If you compete in a sport, whether it be vs. a team, vs. another individual then I would consider to put a person in that category. But what about bodybuilding?

The definition of body building is: "the developing of the body through exercise and diet; specifically: the developing of the physique for competitive exhibition." Which to me seems like it contradicts itself.

The way I see it, if you roller skate in the park with some friends and play hockey, I would not consider yourself a hockey player. If you went to the gym and swam in the pool, I would not consider yourself a swimmer. If you and your friends set up a ring and box once a week, I wouldn't consider you to be a boxer. These are just hobbies/leisure activities people participate in.

Granted a lot of us don't "weight train" for a leisure activity, but we choose this "lifestyle" of eating healthy and changing the physical appearance of our bodies. I consider what most of us do as more as a lifestyle/dedicated hobby then a sport SINCE we do not compete.

[SlimmerMe]

Under construction

[JAB1]

Great post!! I agree so much with gbrice, I hardly mention that I lift weights as I am not huge. I am small to start with at 145 pre lifting and eating. So at 175(natty) I have put in alot of work and it consumes alot of my life, but would never say Im a bodybuilder. I actually struggle with the same thing with fighting, I have competed but dont anymore, however I train alot at a top gym in the area, so I rep the team by wearing their logo, etc. I do spar to prep guys for fights, etc. But when people ask me if Im a fighter, I stumble over the appropriate response. I usually just say I train but dont compete?? I kinda feel that minimizes my dedication and previous experience though??

[jasc]

Interesting question and I agree with the majority of what was said above. Although a lot of this will be somewhat repetitive from above, this is how I live.
I live my life around bodybuilding.. I eat, sleep, train, supplement and spend all of my waking hours trying to build my body and researching. I count every calorie I put in my body, I force myself to eat every 2 hrs I am awake, I look forward to my workout all day at work and give it 110% when I hit the gym, I put BB enhancers in my body, I even go to sleep early every night in an attempt to get as much sleep as possible to grow.. Thank god my gf lives the fitness lifestyle as well, I don't think anyone else would put up with my obsessive behavior.

GB I feel your pain brotha.. Fully clothed I do not look like much either, but shirt off I surprise a lot of people and get quite a bit of attention, by the look of your avatar, I'm guessing you do too.. (no douche-iness / homo intended)
I have come a long long way from the skinny small frame I grew up with and being short definitely doesn't help.

No matter how big I get I don't think I would consider myself a bodybuilder unless I did it for a living, like mentioned above. I think the term has this implied meaning by society.
I don't know how else to classify myself except that I workout.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Thanks for the replies guys, keep them coming - this is an interesting discussion to me.

It seems like we just live a lifestyle that is very different from the "normal" person (albeit I think most of us look very different than a normal or average person as well) and I don't really know what to tell people as to why I do this. Example: I was at one of my customers offices a couple days ago and someone asked me to move my truck. I was meeting with his boss, so I told him the keys were in it and just to move it. I had just got done working out and had a solo cup in the console that I had just drank my whey and cup of oats out of. He came back in and asked me why the fukk I had a disgusting cup of Nesquick and oatmeal in my truck. When I told him why, he looked at me like I had 3 heads, in complete disbelief that someone would eat raw oats. Him and his boss thought it was hilarious.

I have no problem saying that I lift weights or I'm a "weightlifter" but I don't feel like that does any justice to my level of commitment. I could say that I live a bodybuilding lifestyle or that I do bodybuilding but that makes me feel like a wannabe if you know what I mean. Like I'm trying to accomplish something that I'm failing at or unable to accomplish.

I like Slimmer's "under construction" post as that's probably the most honest explanation.

Probably the real answer is to fukk what anyone else thinks or says and not worry about classifying what I do as XYZ or explaining and justifying it to anybody and just carry on trying to have the most freakish healthy body I can.

[zaggahamma]

yes definitely a great question.....agree with all points but believe what b23 posted is how i see it

[FireGuy]

Great topic, I remember after my first show my trainer told me "Now you ARE a bodybuilder". Prior to competing I had considered myself as being "into bodybuilding" but never had called myself one. There are some very significant differences in this sport as paralleled against others. If you play golf, even if just, for fun you can face the exact same challenges that Tiger Woods does on a golf course. Same can be said about bowling and several team sports as well. If you played high school football you went through the same thing a pro athlete does just on a smaller scale.

The difference with being "into bodybuilding" and being a "bodybuilder" is quite different in my opinion. The vast majority of those into bodybuilding will never experience bodyfat levels under 8%. They dont have to master the very fine art of carb and water manipulation the last week of a show. Getting your skin prepped properly with a perfect tan is the 2nd most overlooked aspect of competing and again something someone who is "Into Bodybuilding" never has to worry about. By far the biggest is the posing and learning to present your physique on stage. If you have never done it I promise you have no idea how incredibly hard this is and how many years (yes years) it takes to become good at this. Give me someone who has never practiced hard posing before and in 15 minutes I will have them out of breath and curled up on the floor in a puddle of their own sweat. By the time I am 6-8 weeks out I am doing 45 minutes of this type pf posing every day. On top of this add in mastering your 1/4 turns then putting together a choreographed night show routine that needs to be practiced a good 100-200 times as well prior to ever stepping on stage.

I am not trying to sound condescending to those who dont compete by any means, just trying to illustrate the differences that exist and the very hard challenges that comes with doing this sport on stage as opposed to just in the gym. This is why if I run into someone who is obviously bustin ass in the gym I will ask "Do you compete" as opposed to "Are you a bodybuilder".

[-KJ-]

Great topic, I remember after my first show my trainer told me "Now you ARE a bodybuilder". Prior to competing I had considered myself as being "into bodybuilding" but never had called myself one. There are some very significant differences in this sport as paralleled against others. If you play golf, even if just, for fun you can face the exact same challenges that Tiger Woods does on a golf course. Same can be said about bowling and several team sports as well. If you played high school football you went through the same thing a pro athlete does just on a smaller scale.

The difference with being "into bodybuilding" and being a "bodybuilder" is quite different in my opinion. The vast majority of those into bodybuilding will never experience bodyfat levels under 8%. They dont have to master the very fine art of carb and water manipulation the last week of a show. Getting your skin prepped properly with a perfect tan is the 2nd most overlooked aspect of competing and again something someone who is "Into Bodybuilding" never has to worry about. By far the biggest is the posing and learning to present your physique on stage. If you have never done it I promise you have no idea how incredibly hard this is and how many years (yes years) it takes to become good at this. Give me someone who has never practiced hard posing before and in 15 minutes I will have them out of breath and curled up on the floor in a puddle of their own sweat. By the time I am 6-8 weeks out I am doing 45 minutes of this type pf posing every day. On top of this add in mastering your 1/4 turns then putting together a choreographed night show routine that needs to be practiced a good 100-200 times as well prior to ever stepping on stage.

I am not trying to sound condescending to those who dont compete by any means, just trying to illustrate the differences that exist and the very hard challenges that comes with doing this sport on stage as opposed to just in the gym. This is why if I run into someone who is obviously bustin ass in the gym I will ask "Do you compete" as opposed to "Are you a bodybuilder".

Excellent Post!

[gbrice75]

"Do you compete" as opposed to "Are you a bodybuilder".

Awesome - this sums it up!

And great points about not experiencing aspects of the art/sport of bodybuilding simply because you are in a gym 'building your body'. By crude definition, we are all bodybuilders, but like I mentioned earlier, that is not what people think of generally when they hear the term 'bodybuilder.'

FG - you mean my posing isn't good?

[RaginCajun]

Great thread! i agree with what everyone said and that goes double for what fire guy said. no way would i ever consider myself a 'bodybuilder," because of all the work that those guys put into to compete. i have so much respect for bodybuilders because of the work ethic and discipline that they have for their sport. i just hope to put in all the time and work that some of the guys on this wonderful site have put into themselves. i like slim's answer, under construction!

[FireGuy]

Awesome - this sums it up!

And great points about not experiencing aspects of the art/sport of bodybuilding simply because you are in a gym 'building your body'. By crude definition, we are all bodybuilders, but like I mentioned earlier, that is not what people think of generally when they hear the term 'bodybuilder.'

FG - you mean my posing isn't good?

The Back Double looks pretty good, if I didnt know better it looks like you are sporting a pair of shoulders these days. All kidding aside, back to the posing. Learning how to do your 8 mandatories correctly, stance, posture, angles, fingers hidden, every muscle locked from the calves up is only half the battle. Learning to squeeze every muscle as hard as you can, for extended peroids of time without shaking, while dehydrated all the while smiling like you love it is about as physically challenging as anything you will ever do. Talk to any bodybuilder after their first show and you will hear a lot of them talk about how incredibly sore they are the day after a show simply due to posing on stage.

[gbrice75]

The Back Double looks pretty good, if I didnt know better it looks like you are sporting a pair of shoulders these days.

lol 100% sarcasm on my part, I know my posing (I hesitate to even call it that) is horrendous! lol @ "if you didn't know better"... unfortunately, you do!

All kidding aside, back to the posing. Learning how to do your 8 mandatories correctly, stance, posture, angles, fingers hidden, every muscle locked from the calves up is only half the battle. Learning to squeeze every muscle as hard as you can, for extended peroids of time without shaking, while dehydrated all the while smiling like you love it is about as physically challenging as anything you will ever do.

I'm all sweaty and shaking after I'm finished with my poor excuse for posing every 2 weeks. I can't imagine what it's like for you people who actually know how to do it.

Talk to any bodybuilder after their first show and you will hear a lot of them talk about how incredibly sore they are the day after a show simply due to posing on stage.

Sick!!!

Nark said he'll definitely work with me on posing down the road. I assume we'll wait until my physique is at a point where it's worth putting that effort into. Maybe another year or so.

[FireGuy]

I wasnt kidding about the delts BTW, dramatic improvement.

[gbrice75]

I wasnt kidding about the delts BTW, dramatic improvement.

Thanks bro, appreciate that! Pic updates this weekend too.

[MR-FQ320]

Great Thread, here's where I'm at with the question: Am I a BB ?

On holiday last week and casually replied to one of the GF's questions with 'because I am a Body builder'. 'No your not a BB' she replied.
Afterwards I thought to myself, If i'm mot a BB, then what am I? I have bigger muscles than 99% of the residents (1 huge chap at breakfast on last morning), and everybody in the health suite looked OK (at best)(reminded me of myself when I had a shitty diet and drunk too much).

But its my life, BB consumes me, BB keeps me going day to day, I love the time in the gym, I love the way it makes me feel (and looks), I love the lifestyle. It kinda scares to me to go back to the old routine( I dont think its possible).

What ever the term gym rat means, I definetly want to be more than that.

As said earlier, from now IM going to say "I'm into BBing, not a BB'er", Until I compete that is. :-)

[PitMaster]

I never have an easy and quick answer for someone who asks me what I'm doing. Someone will say, you look good, you must be exercising. Well it's too simple for me to just say yes. I also believe that by giving a simple answer takes away from my dedication. Also by saying I'm a bodybuilder sets me up to look bad. Like, this guy thinks he's a bodybuilder.

I always first when asked, tell them my goals and about my dedicated lifestyle. I say, I'm getting bigger and stronger and doing this through bodybuilding. I also say maybe in another year I'm going to start powerlifing and then I explain the difference to them. I tell them for now I am bodybuilding and will soon be powerlifing and someday I hope that I can look as good and achieve the status and respect that the pro's have worked so hard for.

I don't want my hard work and dedication to be shot down, so when I'm asked, I give a long answer. I think I overwhelm people with it. This is what seperates me from them and this is what it would take them to be like me.

In my heart I feel I am a bodybuilder. I carefully and skillfully sculpt the muscles of my body to try and achieve a certain aesthetic. It is my life and it is a science and truly an art to me. I am not a pro and I'm not even an amateur. I have know Idea what it takes to be at that level. I don't believe I need to be competing to be a bodybuilder. I see a title difference that says it all to me..Bodybuilder...Amateur bodybuilder and The Elite Professional bodybuilder.
As long as I tell myself this that's all that matters to me. It doesn't belittle what I do that way. Hopefully someday I can proudly say I'm an amateur bodybuilder and so on.

[Sgt. Hartman]

^^^ That's a very interesting point of view. Thanks for contributing.

[gbrice75]

Good post Pit!!! I feel the same way about people thinking "this guy thinks he's a bodybuilder", so i'm hesitant to ever say it.

[Back In Black]

I wouldn't know how to define myself. I like FireGuys comment about 'into bodybuilding'. But I sure as hell don't look like one.

I workout and I train hard, but so do alot of other people in the gym who appear to take their workouts seriously. I wouldn't say I live a bodybuilding lifestyle but out of 42 meals per week, I hit my macro's in a healthy way in 40 of them. I don't do AAS but I don't think that precludes anybody from considering themselves a bodybuilder. Neither should anybody consider they are a bodybuilder just because they do take AAS.

The publics perception is very different to our own.

If I had to choose something to define me, it would be 'athlete' even though I don't, and never have, competed in any athletics event. I have a level of fitness and conditioning that I think entitles me to call myself this.

Now, if I was 60lbs of lean tissue heavier, then it may be a different story............................

[marcus300]

I class myself as a bodybuilder but ive never been on stage and competed. Ive been heavily involved in many contests but as far as taking part on stage thats never happened, but I still class myself as a bodybuilder. My reasons why I class myself as a bodybuilder are, ive live all my adults life bodybuilding, ive completely transform myself from this skinny kid to something I am proud of, Ive lived the lifestyle 24/7 and I dont mean just eating clean for a few years and training hard, I mean I've done some extreme things weather thats reducing my bf to under 6%, extreme force feeding, high dose AAS & HGH use or attacking many of my workouts with the intensity what can only be described as insane, ive spent countless hours researching and ive spent years impleneting and experimenting on myself, Ive lived and breathed it and it was the primary goal in my life for many years to get as lean and big as a possible , the cost's have been hard and many times emotionally draining but without doubt I class myself as a bodybuilder.

It was never some hobby, it was my life to train and build a body what I was proud of. No ive never experienced standing on stage posing but Ive certainly dieted down to contest condition and have done exactly the same as many competing bodybuilders and in some cases even more. Does standing on stage make me more of a bodybuilder! well some may say yes but in my heart and mind it doesn't and thats because I know what ive gone through

[dec11]

only thing i can def say i was, was a powerlifter. i went through the appropriate coached training and competed to a level i was more than happy with.
as for bodybuilding, i still lift weights, i still stick to a mapped out diet to build tissue and im more conscious of BF %, is this bodybuilding?

im on the change again, muay thai is creeping in and force feeding and injury inducing weights are on the way out. im starting to get more interested in sprinting up mountain paths and kicking crap outa pads etc

[Standby]

I class myself as a bodybuilder but ive never been on stage and competed. Ive been heavily involved in many contests but as far as taking part on stage thats never happened, but I still class myself as a bodybuilder. My reasons why I class myself as a bodybuilder are, ive live all my adults life bodybuilding, ive completely transform myself from this skinny kid to something I am proud of, Ive lived the lifestyle 24/7 and I dont mean just eating clean for a few years and training hard, I mean I've done some extreme things weather thats reducing my bf to under 6%, extreme force feeding, high dose AAS & HGH use or attacking many of my workouts with the intensity what can only be described as insane, ive spent countless hours researching and ive spent years impleneting and experimenting on myself, Ive lived and breathed it and it was the primary goal in my life for many years to get as lean and big as a possible , the cost's have been hard and many times emotionally draining but without doubt I class myself as a bodybuilder.

It was never some hobby, it was my life to train and build a body what I was proud of. No ive never experienced standing on stage posing but Ive certainly dieted down to contest condition and have done exactly the same as many competing bodybuilders and in some cases even more. Does standing on stage make me more of a bodybuilder! well some may say yes but in my heart and mind it doesn't and thats because I know what ive gone through

interesting, i like it.

im new to the game and its all about sacrifice. ive made it to yet it could be embarrassing to call myself a bodybuilder when i dont look like one. but hell i got asked abo9ut 4 days ago when and where the last place was i went out for beers. i couldnt even remember and still cant. my bday is decemeber 31st thats the last time i remember, well technically i dont even remember that lol so before that i dont even know.. we all have gave up a lot for what we got

[Standby]

only thing i can def say i was, was a powerlifter. i went through the appropriate coached training and competed to a level i was more than happy with.
as for bodybuilding, i still lift weights, i still stick to a mapped out diet to build tissue and im more conscious of BF %, is this bodybuilding?

im on the change again, muay thai is creeping in and force feeding and injury inducing weights are on the way out. im starting to get more interested in sprinting up mountain paths and kicking crap outa pads etc

but would you soon call yourself a muay thai fighter because you run and kick pads?

[dec11]

but would you soon call yourself a muay thai fighter because you run and kick pads?

no id call myself someone practising muay thai fighting, what level someone is at is a different discussion. if you are going through the motions well then you are practising a discipline, whatever it is

[Standby]

no id call myself someone practising muay thai fighting, what level someone is at is a different discussion. if you are going through the motions well then you are practising a discipline, whatever it is

so can i be practicing bodybuilding? lol im just fvcking with ya but seriously lol why is it so hard for us to call ourselves bodybuilders when we are in fact building out bodies

[PitMaster]

so can i be practicing bodybuilding? lol im just fvcking with ya but seriously lol why is it so hard for us to call ourselves bodybuilders when we are in fact building out bodies

I think everyone's own perception of oneself is different. I think for some if u label yourself as a bodybuilder now then what are u when u have reached a competitive state. I also think some take a humble approach and hope to aspire to be a bodybuilder, thus giving u a greater goal to work for and something to be proud of when your done. Alot is the fear or humility that comes from how u think other people see u as. I think for some it's self esteem, not thinking that your deserving of the title.

It's about titles they are called Pro Bodybuilders for a reason. Not just a bodybuilder a pro.

[Standby]

I think everyone's own perception of oneself is different. I think for some if u label yourself as a bodybuilder now then what are u when u have reached a competitive state. I also think some take a humble approach and hope to aspire to be a bodybuilder, thus giving u a greater goal to work for and something to be proud of when your done. Alot is the fear or humility that comes from how u think other people see u as. I think for some it's self esteem, not thinking that your deserving of the title.

It's about titles they are called Pro Bodybuilders for a reason. Not just a bodybuilder a pro.

touche, i like this post

[PitMaster]

I have another train of thought, now i may be way out of line here and if so then please say so. I am going to use two of the posts on this thread as an example. One by dec and one by Marcus.

Dec..He's practicing muay thai fighting. Is he a fighter? I believe that will depend on his level of dedication and skill. After he learns some skills and is fighting doesn't that make him a fighter? And if he takes it to the next level of dedication and evolves, it would turn into an amateur muay thai fighter and then eventually a pro.

Marcus..I do not know a lot of Marcus's background, but just from what I have read is he a bodybuilder? I think he has evolved beyond that. He competes and does things that a lot of us will never achieve. Is he a pro? I am unaware of the things this man has done to get to his level. Looking at his avy, and some of the things he wrote, he's in a league of a more deserving title than someone who is a bodybuilder, The same with FG.

Hope this didn't offend anyone if so I apologize for the examples.

[Standby]

I have another train of thought, now i may be way out of line here and if so then please say so. I am going to use two of the posts on this thread as an example. One by dec and one by Marcus.

Dec..He's practicing muay thai fighting. Is he a fighter? I believe that will depend on his level of dedication and skill. After he learns some skills and is fighting doesn't that make him a fighter? And if he takes it to the next level of dedication and evolves, it would turn into an amateur muay thai fighter and then eventually a pro.

Marcus..I do not know a lot of Marcus's background, but just from what I have read is he a bodybuilder? I think he has evolved beyond that. He competes and does things that a lot of us will never achieve. Is he a pro? I am unaware of the things this man has done to get to his level. Looking at his avy, and some of the things he wrote, he's in a league of a more deserving title than someone who is a bodybuilder, The same with FG.

Hope this didn't offend anyone if so I apologize for the examples.

that isnt marcus in his avi and he has not competed just got to the condition of someone who competes. fireguy has competed

marcus avi is dorian yates which is why your amazed at his back lol. but i do see what your saying

[PitMaster]

that isnt marcus in his avi and he has not competed just got to the condition of someone who competes. fireguy has competed

marcus avi is dorian yates which is why your amazed at his back lol. but i do see what your saying

Then that says enough for itself.....Fact that he has been in multiple contests says enough...

[dec11]

I have another train of thought, now i may be way out of line here and if so then please say so. I am going to use two of the posts on this thread as an example. One by dec and one by Marcus.

Dec..He's practicing muay thai fighting. Is he a fighter? I believe that will depend on his level of dedication and skill. After he learns some skills and is fighting doesn't that make him a fighter? And if he takes it to the next level of dedication and evolves, it would turn into an amateur muay thai fighter and then eventually a pro.

Marcus..I do not know a lot of Marcus's background, but just from what I have read is he a bodybuilder? I think he has evolved beyond that. He competes and does things that a lot of us will never achieve. Is he a pro? I am unaware of the things this man has done to get to his level. Looking at his avy, and some of the things he wrote, he's in a league of a more deserving title than someone who is a bodybuilder, The same with FG.

Hope this didn't offend anyone if so I apologize for the examples.

dont fancy getting the head kicked off me, thanks. already got an accidental stray kick in the leg from a little 60kg fighter, i was on the deck clutching my fvckin leg for 5mins lol

[dec11]

that isnt marcus in his avi and he has not competed just got to the condition of someone who competes. fireguy has competed

marcus avi is dorian yates which is why your amazed at his back lol. but i do see what your saying

they are the same person we reckon

[Sgt. Hartman]

LOL. And here I thought he was Zack Khan???

[zaggahamma]

LOL. And here I thought he was Zack Khan???

he looks like he may do bodybuilding

[marcus300]

I have another train of thought, now i may be way out of line here and if so then please say so. I am going to use two of the posts on this thread as an example. One by dec and one by Marcus.

Dec..He's practicing muay thai fighting. Is he a fighter? I believe that will depend on his level of dedication and skill. After he learns some skills and is fighting doesn't that make him a fighter? And if he takes it to the next level of dedication and evolves, it would turn into an amateur muay thai fighter and then eventually a pro.

Marcus..I do not know a lot of Marcus's background, but just from what I have read is he a bodybuilder? I think he has evolved beyond that. He competes and does things that a lot of us will never achieve. Is he a pro? I am unaware of the things this man has done to get to his level. Looking at his avy, and some of the things he wrote, he's in a league of a more deserving title than someone who is a bodybuilder, The same with FG.

Hope this didn't offend anyone if so I apologize for the examples.

If you re-read my post its states ive never competed but I still class myself as a bodybuilder and say the reasony why I think this way. The avy is Dorian by the way